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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#170913 Jul 5, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
<quoted text>Would you like an explanation of that passage? Your understanding of it is a very simple mistake.

Jesus was saying that His sacrifice was God's redemptive plan. Our willingness to accept the gift of grace is how we get to God. It's not like you're picturing it. Like walking up to a cosmic receptionist and saying "Let me see the boss." It's not that at all.
Oh.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#170914 Jul 5, 2013
" : formal religious veneration : worship
2
: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3
: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4
: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5
a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
b : the object of such devotion
c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cul...

Definition 3 Secular humanism as a substitute. An almost universal proclamation of Topix atheists.

Definition 4 Cleansing the world of religiopus dogma and the evil it brings. An almost universal proclamation of Topix atheists.

Definition 5 Hitchens, Dawkins, and other venerated prosyletizers of the cult. Their words are often invoked by their worshipers om here. Atheists are a small minority.
xianity is EVIL

Toronto, Canada

#170915 Jul 5, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
<quoted text>

Now with regard to God's omniscience and free will, I understand it to mean that God intimately knows how we will behave on our own because of His experience and infinite knowledge, yet He allows us to choose our own path.
If god created ALL he created Your FUTURE

with Omni god youd have NO free will,,
Imhotep

Howey In The Hills, FL

#170916 Jul 5, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Amusing.
The closest I come to being a "Christian" is a an ethnic Christian, just like you.
I will guarantee you that you have been in a church worshiping since the last time I was.
See, that is part of the disease you have. You foam at the mouth if others don't exhibit the same rabidity at religion as you.
Dave is an old technician with a fairly broad base working in different applied scientists. Old Dave sees a pattern that old Dave is a part of, as are you. I don't see my Creator as a skydaddy or even a totally separate entity. That is for simple minds like yours to use as a reference point. I look at creation and whoever created it from a technological point of view, not as one indoctrinated like you. It was how I was trained to think.
You are way too reactive and emotional about this subject to be objective and rational. Like I said, just another disillusioned dummy that got roped into a cult. Yes, atheism is a cult.
LOL! The closest I've ever been to any religious building is watching it on TV. Or viewing ruins in Europe and elsewhere.

Yeah can't beat the church in Barcelona Spain stunning.

I think I've stated clearly that I've never had any religion! what don't you understand about this?

If I must label myself it would be a secular humanist.

I realize this is hard to understand if you were brought up into any cult.

My respect for the desert religions went up in the smoke and choking dust of September

I watched the 'Day of Prayer' in Washington Cathedral, where people of mutually incompatible faiths united in homage to the very force that caused the problem in the first place: RELIGION.

I think it is time for people of intellect, as opposed to people of faith, to stand up and declare to respect people for what they individually think, rather than respect groups for what they were collectively brought up to believe.

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind." - Gandhi.
xianity is EVIL

Toronto, Canada

#170917 Jul 5, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
" : formal religious veneration : worship
2
: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3
: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4
: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5
a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
b : the object of such devotion
c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cul...
Definition 3 Secular humanism as a substitute. An almost universal proclamation of Topix atheists.
Definition 4 Cleansing the world of religiopus dogma and the evil it brings. An almost universal proclamation of Topix atheists.
Definition 5 Hitchens, Dawkins, and other venerated prosyletizers of the cult. Their words are often invoked by their worshipers om here. Atheists are a small minority.
stil CRAZY eh Daveyboy!

could you name one atheist that WORSHIPS Dawkins,
didnt think so

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#170919 Jul 5, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>What experiences have shown you that God was there the whole time?
There were 3 issues in my life that have been affecting me for the past 5 years, which all came to a head in the past 3 months. A message from the bible related to these 3 issues was randomly delivered to me by a stranger. Shortly after a couple of other things happened which presented a resolution to the issues.

The last 5 years of issues coincided with my choosing to be agnostic, and the resolution to them coming with a biblical message is what changed my heart. It was truly a Dues Ex Machina to me, like you would see in a movie where several plot lines intertwine and resolve themselves.

Nothing like it has ever happened in my life.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#170920 Jul 5, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! The closest I've ever been to any religious building is watching it on TV. Or viewing ruins in Europe and elsewhere.
Yeah can't beat the church in Barcelona Spain stunning.
I think I've stated clearly that I've never had any religion! what don't you understand about this?
If I must label myself it would be a secular humanist.
I realize this is hard to understand if you were brought up into any cult.
My respect for the desert religions went up in the smoke and choking dust of September
I watched the 'Day of Prayer' in Washington Cathedral, where people of mutually incompatible faiths united in homage to the very force that caused the problem in the first place: RELIGION.
I think it is time for people of intellect, as opposed to people of faith, to stand up and declare to respect people for what they individually think, rather than respect groups for what they were collectively brought up to believe.
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind." - Gandhi.
Thoust art a hypocrite.

You don't understand faith, intellect, or people. You are just jerking your knees.

Reread your last 3 paragraphs.

BTW,"groups for what they were collectively brought up to believe" also includes those that went through the educational system. So you are also anti-education.

You don't understand cornerstones of societies. You just react emotionally.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#170921 Jul 5, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
stil CRAZY eh Daveyboy!
could you name one atheist that WORSHIPS Dawkins,
didnt think so
Not surprising. You exhibit little ability to think.

However, you are very good at emotional and irrational blurtations.

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#170922 Jul 5, 2013
tyu

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#170923 Jul 5, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
This is good advice Clownie
Matthew 6:6
And when you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men.
Truly I say to you, They have their reward. But you, when you pray, enter into your closet, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father which is in secret; and your Father which sees in secret shall reward you openly.
But when you pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Any particular reason none of you follow it?
LMAO
Something you might of missed from Psalms
" Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock! "
-- Psalm 137.9.
You do follow this though...
Making "every thought captive DOLP
"For the weapons of our warfare are casting down imaginations ... and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ."
– St Paul, 2 Corinthians 10.4,5.
will you get off the reefer? you quoting the bible something you don't believe makes me LMAO! A atheist preaching LOL keep reading and study the whole bible.. get into a good bible study.. STOP MAKING AN @SS OUTTA YOURSELF ON TOPIX!
Imhotep

Howey In The Hills, FL

#170924 Jul 5, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Thoust art a hypocrite.
You don't understand faith, intellect, or people. You are just jerking your knees.
Reread your last 3 paragraphs.
BTW,"groups for what they were collectively brought up to believe" also includes those that went through the educational system. So you are also anti-education.
You don't understand cornerstones of societies. You just react emotionally.
Thou hast spent entirely too much time lying to thyself!

I wager you were one of those that held a sign up at the RNC that said "we built this" based entirely on out of context statements like your Bible.

You have a simple problem you're big on opinion and very short on fact.

Yet...I find you silly people entertaining in some bizarre fashion. If nothing else you're funny!

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#170925 Jul 5, 2013
sweets2360 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, Adam and Eve were not immortal in the beginning. Gen3:22 And the Lord, God said, Behold the man is become as one o us, to know good and evil{ and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 23 So he drove out the man, and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden, Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, the keep the way of the tree of life.
Does that sound like they were meant to live forever? Doesn`t sound like it to me.
I also use the anology of my little dogs, who don`t know they are naked. If I were to leave a plate of steaks in the middle of the floor and told them not to touch it, how long would I expect the steaks to remain in the plate? And if I returned to find the steaks gone why would I not only punish my dogs, but every dog ever born, forever and ever? It makes no sense. And like Judge Judy likes to say, "If it doesn`t make sense, it isn`t true"
The Bible to me is a book that starts with a fairy tale, and ends with a nightmare, so it is all fiction.
1 cor 2-14 says you can't understand it ... It don't make semse to you because you're dumb! the bible sez so I believe the bible... Your post proves the bible right again...

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#170926 Jul 5, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Thou hast spent entirely too much time lying to thyself!
I wager you were one of those that held a sign up at the RNC that said "we built this" based entirely on out of context statements like your Bible.
You have a simple problem you're big on opinion and very short on fact.
Yet...I find you silly people entertaining in some bizarre fashion. If nothing else you're funny!
You are a nut case.

"I find you silly people entertaining in some bizarre fashion."

Paranoid delusional.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#170927 Jul 5, 2013
sweets2360 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, Adam and Eve were not immortal in the beginning. Gen3:22 And the Lord, God said, Behold the man is become as one o us, to know good and evil{ and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 23 So he drove out the man, and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden, Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, the keep the way of the tree of life.
Does that sound like they were meant to live forever? Doesn`t sound like it to me.
I also use the anology of my little dogs, who don`t know they are naked. If I were to leave a plate of steaks in the middle of the floor and told them not to touch it, how long would I expect the steaks to remain in the plate? And if I returned to find the steaks gone why would I not only punish my dogs, but every dog ever born, forever and ever? It makes no sense. And like Judge Judy likes to say, "If it doesn`t make sense, it isn`t true"
The Bible to me is a book that starts with a fairy tale, and ends with a nightmare, so it is all fiction.
The story about Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden is allegorical. Adam was the tree of knowledge, the serpent was part of his anatomy and what they did was oral sodomy. There is no such thing as original sin, that is a Christian myth. When Adam died and went to heaven, his name was changed to Satan.
Imhotep

Howey In The Hills, FL

#170928 Jul 5, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a nut case.
"I find you silly people entertaining in some bizarre fashion."
Paranoid delusional.
I still find you highly entertaining keep it up I need to laughter

True Bible©

GIGO (Garbage in, garbage out)= Organized Religion(Superstition)

LOOP = True Christian™ circular (Godidit) logic

You = Topix theist

Topix theists posting in atheist forums have a mental disorder which manifests itself with an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration.

Behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

They present a persistent sense of inadequacy, a tendency to self-diminishment, sometimes resulting in excessive aggressiveness through overcompensation.

Imhotep's court physicians prescribe psychotherapy.

FAGIDABOUDIT !

Maybe you could try Homeopathy to fix your irrational belief in things that have no scientific basis.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#170929 Jul 5, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
I still find you highly entertaining keep it up I need to laughter
True Bible©
GIGO (Garbage in, garbage out)= Organized Religion(Superstition)
LOOP = True Christian™ circular (Godidit) logic
You = Topix theist
Topix theists posting in atheist forums have a mental disorder which manifests itself with an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration.
Behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.
They present a persistent sense of inadequacy, a tendency to self-diminishment, sometimes resulting in excessive aggressiveness through overcompensation.
Imhotep's court physicians prescribe psychotherapy.
FAGIDABOUDIT !
Maybe you could try Homeopathy to fix your irrational belief in things that have no scientific basis.
You are melting.
blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#170930 Jul 5, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand what you're saying. In our modern society we have a tendency to explain "why" to others in minute detail. We "dumb down" almost everything. In ancient cultures, this wasn't the case. Right and wrong wasn't explained in terms of "why" because it was usually culturally obvious. This is my reasoning behind my line of argument.
In a modern translation (as I understand it) God was saying:
"There is a tree of life (God), and there is a tree of death (knowledge of good and evil) and I am asking you to follow my instructions because I alone will keep you alive if you follow those instructions. If you choose not to follow my instructions, then you will have to suffer the consequences of choosing your own way,(with your limited knowledge and power) and you won't be able to enjoy immortality with me in the same way you do now."
And God didn't lie. He never said that He would kill them. He said they would die. When God removed them from His presence, they lost the life permitting attributes and properties, and became mortal.
Now onto your next analogy.
If God can create life from nothing, then shouldn't He be powerful enough to restore immortality? There's the difference. If our kids should ever be in a life ending situation (I hope never) you and I are powerless to resurrect them or provide eternal consciousness to them. If God can, then He has an ability that we do not. We protect our kids because we don't have that power.
I believe in both creation and evolution. They are compatible. Maybe not in six days according to our understanding of space and time, but I do believe God started the process.
Explaining the difference between right and wrong to a child can hardly be called "dumbing down" We are NOT talking about an ancient culture here, there were no cultures only these two people. These two people who had no idea about anything. Personally I would have chosen the tree of knowledge over the tree of life. Knowledge is so much more valuable.

You never answered my question about knowing your son would be paralyzed for life and eventually commit suicide. Once again, if you KNEW this was going to happen, and had the power to change the outcome, would you? Simple question.
blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#170931 Jul 5, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you explain the fact your ego is bigger than the whole damned universe?
Pull your head out of your ass and you will see more.
What the hell does my ego have to do with people choosing to be willfully ignorant? Do try and follow the conversation, really!!!

My ego was and still is a necessary component to my success in a very competitive environment. And exactly what more will I see? I am very comfortable with the knowledge I possess about the naturalistic world I am a part of. Please remember you're talking to someone who accepts NOTHING without evidence.
Imhotep

Howey In The Hills, FL

#170932 Jul 5, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>will you get off the reefer? you quoting the bible something you don't believe makes me LMAO! A atheist preaching LOL keep reading and study the whole bible.. get into a good bible study.. STOP MAKING AN @SS OUTTA YOURSELF ON TOPIX!
White widow if you don't mind!

Why not quote the world's most useless book?

Christians make a big deal out of Quoting from it - I do the same!
If you want to say disgusting, ignorant, vile, things that's the perfect book to find your material!

A virtual plethora of filth - incest - mass murder and perversion.

"MAKING AN @SS OUTTA YOURSELF ON TOPIX" Is entirely your domain!

And you do it very very well - in fact with each post.

Ordinarily people live and learn. You just live

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#170933 Jul 5, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>What the hell does my ego have to do with people choosing to be willfully ignorant? Do try and follow the conversation, really!!!
My ego was and still is a necessary component to my success in a very competitive environment. And exactly what more will I see? I am very comfortable with the knowledge I possess about the naturalistic world I am a part of. Please remember you're talking to someone who accepts NOTHING without evidence.
"Please remember you're talking to someone who accepts NOTHING without evidence,", except my own magnificence.

There are countless people who have shook the world with their talents more than you have, but they stayed humble.

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