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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#170483 Jun 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Goonyloony, my total consciousness was inches and seconds away from stepping into a totally different existence. I had already checked out of this hotel. Not the slightest thought of my eternal discontinuance ever occurred to me. This one, yes, but that old consciousness just kept on a ticking away.
Come back to me when you have some experience.
Dave, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but I must.

Some people are actually sane.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#170484 Jun 30, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>It's a known fact that the brain when deprived of oxygen will hallucinate, a dying brain will create all sorts of seemingly very real images, the most famous is the light at the end of a long tunnel.
Tunnel vision (Kalnienk vision) has many common causes from various diseases, loss of blood, too much alcohol, extreme stress, and yes, hallucinations.

I'm glad you recognize it as a known and documented medical condition. The hallucinations are unique to the individual, their backgrounds and experiences. It's not like someone comes back after an NDE knowing a language or skill they didn't already posess.

Kind of reminds me of "faith healing" (aka the placebo effect). When they can regrow an amputated limb, let me know;0)

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#170485 Jun 30, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
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This story may be of interest to you then :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =WNbdUEqDB-kXX
Isn't it interesting what the brain will do when stressed?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#170486 Jun 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The physical consciousness most certainly does.
Glad to see you specified that as a belief, and not an absolute truth.
Space is half the circuit of this existence, Poly. Your ground state. Like a charged capacitor, the energy is released back into the source when the juice stops flowing in that direction, but it does so in the opposite direction and same force. You create a mirror image.
And I notice that you don't present this as a belief, but as a truth.

I base my position on the evidence we have, from how our psychological states are related to our brain states to how even small changes in the physical brain can produce drastic changes in our psyche. When the brain stops, we are gone in the same way a candle flame is gone when the candle is blown out.

Another aspect that we *know* about the brain is that it will 'fill in' missing pieces based on previous beliefs. Even watching a movie shows this (there are always distinct frames that are filled in by the brain). So it isn't surprising that brains under stress will fill in and produce NDEs.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#170487 Jun 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Dave, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but I must.
Some people are actually sane.
Excuse me if I don't agree with your definitions of who is or who ain't. I can't trust your judgment on matters of that sort. You think too artificially and superficially.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#170488 Jun 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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LOL!!!
No big deal, eh?
Ignorance is bliss.
It's you trapped in that body while alive, sweetie. Whatever shape it is in.
Have you ever had an NDE? I have. Now, who would you logically suppose is ignorant on the subject....one hint, look in the mirror.

Don't worry about my shape, fortunately for me you'll never know. Even better, I'll never have to look at yours;0)

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#170489 Jun 30, 2013
atheism is evil wrote:
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In Hell, you won't, you dumb shit..
Is that like the monster who lives under your bed? Grow up.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#170490 Jun 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Excuse me if I don't agree with your definitions of who is or who ain't. I can't trust your judgment on matters of that sort. You think too artificially and superficially.
I'm trying to tell you, Dave.

It's called sanity.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#170491 Jun 30, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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And I notice that you don't present this as a belief, but as a truth.
I base my position on the evidence we have, from how our psychological states are related to our brain states to how even small changes in the physical brain can produce drastic changes in our psyche. When the brain stops, we are gone in the same way a candle flame is gone when the candle is blown out.
Another aspect that we *know* about the brain is that it will 'fill in' missing pieces based on previous beliefs. Even watching a movie shows this (there are always distinct frames that are filled in by the brain). So it isn't surprising that brains under stress will fill in and produce NDEs.
It is a truth in the physical world.

You stop a flow of energy and you get a back current as the matter tries to return to equilibrium.

The energy in your body affects the molecules in it, including those that cause thought. You create an EM signature. There will be a reverse flow, and thus potential for reforming to that place your virtual particles come drifting in and out of. Reverse loops ins pace or maybe even in your dark matter.

What happened to your QM thinking? The body will wind up rotting, but the charge it created could very well create a sort of mirror consciousness, at least at the core level

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#170492 Jun 30, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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Have you ever had an NDE? I have. Now, who would you logically suppose is ignorant on the subject....one hint, look in the mirror.
Don't worry about my shape, fortunately for me you'll never know. Even better, I'll never have to look at yours;0)
I am Topix atheist forum famous for my NDE.

Tell us about yours.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#170493 Jun 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I'm trying to tell you, Dave.
It's called sanity.
Catcher, true sanity can only be a remote concept beyond your comprehension evinced by your performance on here.
blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#170494 Jun 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Goonyloony, my total consciousness was inches and seconds away from stepping into a totally different existence. I had already checked out of this hotel. Not the slightest thought of my eternal discontinuance ever occurred to me. This one, yes, but that old consciousness just kept on a ticking away.
Come back to me when you have some experience.
Yes, yes, the dying brain will produce numerous delusions, do try and be more grounded in what neuroscience shows what happens to a dying brain.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#170495 Jun 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You haven't a clue as to what I think or how I arrived at it. You are too focused on what you think.
So you had an NDE. Mind telling us about it?
Your difficulty in rational thinking is painfully obvious to all. BTW, I was responding to a post in which you claimed was the way ALL atheists think. Seems you can dish it out but can't take it, tsk, tsk.

Sure, post partum hemorrhage after the birth of my first child.

I felt light headded and dizzy, which was odd since I was laying on my back and then I couldn't seem to breathe.

I seemed to be very cold (the body shuts down the blood flow to the extremities enabling the major organs to receive whatever circulation there is) and the last words I heard the nurse say were "over 27" which I found out later was my blood pressure reading near the end of the experience.

My vision had grown dark around the edges and I felt that I was floating downstream in a particular spring fed creek we went to when I was a kid.(Memory and personal experiences relating to an oxygen starved brain.)

I was headed towards a narrow bend in the creek where the trees on the bank overlapped and blocked out most of the sun. I "felt sure" that once I entered the darker and much faster waters, I would never return and it didn't bother me one bit.

Then I felt pain and tried to push the Dr. away as I got that first gulp of oxygen. I opened my eyes and I was still in bed (as I had been all along) and I only thought I had pushed the Dr. away as my arms were still limp at my sides.

That's what happened and how I felt, I survived and about a week later went home with my newborn. The baby was the big deal to me, certainly not the incident.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#170496 Jun 30, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, yes, the dying brain will produce numerous delusions, do try and be more grounded in what neuroscience shows what happens to a dying brain.
Knock, knock.

This is the neuroscientist.

Is anybody in there?

Is anyone at home?

Guess not.

You will not understand the significance of perspective in such doings.

Let me tell you something. Thought is invisible. Even the thought produced by matter. Particularly abstract thinking.

You are confused about just what they do know and what they think may happen strictly on a physical basis.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#170497 Jun 30, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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Your difficulty in rational thinking is painfully obvious to all. BTW, I was responding to a post in which you claimed was the way ALL atheists think. Seems you can dish it out but can't take it, tsk, tsk.
Sure, post partum hemorrhage after the birth of my first child.
I felt light headded and dizzy, which was odd since I was laying on my back and then I couldn't seem to breathe.
I seemed to be very cold (the body shuts down the blood flow to the extremities enabling the major organs to receive whatever circulation there is) and the last words I heard the nurse say were "over 27" which I found out later was my blood pressure reading near the end of the experience.
My vision had grown dark around the edges and I felt that I was floating downstream in a particular spring fed creek we went to when I was a kid.(Memory and personal experiences relating to an oxygen starved brain.)
I was headed towards a narrow bend in the creek where the trees on the bank overlapped and blocked out most of the sun. I "felt sure" that once I entered the darker and much faster waters, I would never return and it didn't bother me one bit.
Then I felt pain and tried to push the Dr. away as I got that first gulp of oxygen. I opened my eyes and I was still in bed (as I had been all along) and I only thought I had pushed the Dr. away as my arms were still limp at my sides.
That's what happened and how I felt, I survived and about a week later went home with my newborn. The baby was the big deal to me, certainly not the incident.
Yours doesn't count since it doesn't involve jesus.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#170498 Jun 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Catcher, true sanity can only be a remote concept beyond your comprehension evinced by your performance on here.
Word salad, Dave.

We don't do that here.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#170499 Jun 30, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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Your difficulty in rational thinking is painfully obvious to all. BTW, I was responding to a post in which you claimed was the way ALL atheists think. Seems you can dish it out but can't take it, tsk, tsk.
Sure, post partum hemorrhage after the birth of my first child.
I felt light headded and dizzy, which was odd since I was laying on my back and then I couldn't seem to breathe.
I seemed to be very cold (the body shuts down the blood flow to the extremities enabling the major organs to receive whatever circulation there is) and the last words I heard the nurse say were "over 27" which I found out later was my blood pressure reading near the end of the experience.
My vision had grown dark around the edges and I felt that I was floating downstream in a particular spring fed creek we went to when I was a kid.(Memory and personal experiences relating to an oxygen starved brain.)
I was headed towards a narrow bend in the creek where the trees on the bank overlapped and blocked out most of the sun. I "felt sure" that once I entered the darker and much faster waters, I would never return and it didn't bother me one bit.
Then I felt pain and tried to push the Dr. away as I got that first gulp of oxygen. I opened my eyes and I was still in bed (as I had been all along) and I only thought I had pushed the Dr. away as my arms were still limp at my sides.
That's what happened and how I felt, I survived and about a week later went home with my newborn. The baby was the big deal to me, certainly not the incident.
I won't post my whole experience again. I was hit by truck. My consciousness got separated from my body and didn't even think to return to it after having a sudden revelation I just died. A great sense of loss of place in this production. Then a waking up on another plane, which I can't remember the details of, and then a processing that occurred and my temporary return in prep to step into another existence I was watching through the window. Fully cogent and aware, though not thinking like I do with this physical brain. Just a very basic consciousness without much clutter. I was then alerted I was still a viable physical construct and dove back into my body. The sound of my ragged first breath in a while was the first thing I heard.

No bright lights, no Jesus, no one waiting for me. I was an atheist for 3 decades by that time. But I did come back with an unexplainable sympathy for any supreme being that would have to be omniscient and eternal. You can't exist that way. You need something to occupy your time. Surprises even. I did get a taste of eternity during that waking up I mentioned. A very profound experience.

If you read my posts you will see I approach this existence from a technological basis. I can see past the physical. I've been detached from it, so I can approach it differently from someone who never left the cage they were caught in. All I will tell you is don't assume you will go to sleep forever when this body stops functioning. As it is, sleep as you know it is strictly a physical process of a living creature. It isn't physical death.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#170500 Jun 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Word salad, Dave.
We don't do that here.
vac·u·ous
/&#712;vakyo&#862;o &#601;s/
Adjective

Having or showing a lack of thought or intelligence; mindless: "a vacuous smile".
Empty.

Or much of anything else on a higher mental plane.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#170501 Jun 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I won't post my whole experience again. I was hit by truck.
Nuff said.

How's the truck?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#170502 Jun 30, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Nuff said.
How's the truck?
They said it may have suffered 25 dollars of damage to the fender. I understand the driver was inconvenienced by having to drive the bulldozer off the trailer before he could change the flat he got on it. Was probably a cheap and worn tire.

BTW, never get hit by a truck whose insurance company is not licensed to do business in this country, much less the state he is registered in. No one would ever tell me why the state of Florida let him operate like that.

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