Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#170472 Jun 30, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
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Are you 100% certain of that?
Yes.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#170473 Jun 30, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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Been there, done that. The body has it's own way of responding to trauma and pain of various kinds. No big deal.
Glad to be alive and an atheist;0)
LOL!!!

No big deal, eh?

Ignorance is bliss.

It's you trapped in that body while alive, sweetie. Whatever shape it is in.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#170474 Jun 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
It is highly amusing how the beliefs, conclusions, and argumentation Topix atheists have about life, existence, et al, are based upon the proclamations of others. Like stujents just learning something and arguing the finer points of what the professor just told them.
Will they ever mature? That is the question.
And you rest your proclamations on the words of others, theologians, primitive goat herders who told stories that were written into a book, etc.

Will you ever aspire to thinking for yourself? So far, the answer to that question is a resounding no.
blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#170475 Jun 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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LOL!!!
No big deal, eh?
Ignorance is bliss.
It's you trapped in that body while alive, sweetie. Whatever shape it is in.
Too funny, only someone who see's life as a mere interlude would think of a persons as being "Trapped in that body."

See how negative your religion is, "trapped" carries such a feeling of hopelessness, probably the way you view life, as totally hopeless. Also "Trapped" while your alive carries with it the unsupported notion that the person trapped will be released upon death. More childish wish thinking. Wishing for something doesn't make it real, but you just keep on dreaming!!!!!

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#170479 Jun 30, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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And you rest your proclamations on the words of others, theologians, primitive goat herders who told stories that were written into a book, etc.
Will you ever aspire to thinking for yourself? So far, the answer to that question is a resounding no.
You haven't a clue as to what I think or how I arrived at it. You are too focused on what you think.

So you had an NDE. Mind telling us about it?
blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#170480 Jun 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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LOL!!!
No big deal, eh?
Ignorance is bliss.
It's you trapped in that body while alive, sweetie. Whatever shape it is in.
"Ignorance is bliss?" To be ignorant means certain information is either not understood, or one is unaware of this information. What "information" is this person ignorant of? Lets remember that "information" are FACTS provided or learned about something or someone. Now what FACTS is this person ignorant of? I'll wait!!!
blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#170481 Jun 30, 2013
atheism is evil wrote:
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In Hell, you won't, you dumb shit..
So I won't be alive when I'm in hell? Can hurt very much if I'm dead now can it!!! BTW, I'll still be an Atheist. You really are not very intelligent!!!!!

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#170482 Jun 30, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Too funny, only someone who see's life as a mere interlude would think of a persons as being "Trapped in that body."
See how negative your religion is, "trapped" carries such a feeling of hopelessness, probably the way you view life, as totally hopeless. Also "Trapped" while your alive carries with it the unsupported notion that the person trapped will be released upon death. More childish wish thinking. Wishing for something doesn't make it real, but you just keep on dreaming!!!!!
Goonyloony, my total consciousness was inches and seconds away from stepping into a totally different existence. I had already checked out of this hotel. Not the slightest thought of my eternal discontinuance ever occurred to me. This one, yes, but that old consciousness just kept on a ticking away.

Come back to me when you have some experience.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#170483 Jun 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Goonyloony, my total consciousness was inches and seconds away from stepping into a totally different existence. I had already checked out of this hotel. Not the slightest thought of my eternal discontinuance ever occurred to me. This one, yes, but that old consciousness just kept on a ticking away.
Come back to me when you have some experience.
Dave, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but I must.

Some people are actually sane.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#170484 Jun 30, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>It's a known fact that the brain when deprived of oxygen will hallucinate, a dying brain will create all sorts of seemingly very real images, the most famous is the light at the end of a long tunnel.
Tunnel vision (Kalnienk vision) has many common causes from various diseases, loss of blood, too much alcohol, extreme stress, and yes, hallucinations.

I'm glad you recognize it as a known and documented medical condition. The hallucinations are unique to the individual, their backgrounds and experiences. It's not like someone comes back after an NDE knowing a language or skill they didn't already posess.

Kind of reminds me of "faith healing" (aka the placebo effect). When they can regrow an amputated limb, let me know;0)

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#170485 Jun 30, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
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This story may be of interest to you then :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =WNbdUEqDB-kXX
Isn't it interesting what the brain will do when stressed?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#170486 Jun 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The physical consciousness most certainly does.
Glad to see you specified that as a belief, and not an absolute truth.
Space is half the circuit of this existence, Poly. Your ground state. Like a charged capacitor, the energy is released back into the source when the juice stops flowing in that direction, but it does so in the opposite direction and same force. You create a mirror image.
And I notice that you don't present this as a belief, but as a truth.

I base my position on the evidence we have, from how our psychological states are related to our brain states to how even small changes in the physical brain can produce drastic changes in our psyche. When the brain stops, we are gone in the same way a candle flame is gone when the candle is blown out.

Another aspect that we *know* about the brain is that it will 'fill in' missing pieces based on previous beliefs. Even watching a movie shows this (there are always distinct frames that are filled in by the brain). So it isn't surprising that brains under stress will fill in and produce NDEs.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#170487 Jun 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Dave, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but I must.
Some people are actually sane.
Excuse me if I don't agree with your definitions of who is or who ain't. I can't trust your judgment on matters of that sort. You think too artificially and superficially.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#170488 Jun 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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LOL!!!
No big deal, eh?
Ignorance is bliss.
It's you trapped in that body while alive, sweetie. Whatever shape it is in.
Have you ever had an NDE? I have. Now, who would you logically suppose is ignorant on the subject....one hint, look in the mirror.

Don't worry about my shape, fortunately for me you'll never know. Even better, I'll never have to look at yours;0)

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#170489 Jun 30, 2013
atheism is evil wrote:
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In Hell, you won't, you dumb shit..
Is that like the monster who lives under your bed? Grow up.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#170490 Jun 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Excuse me if I don't agree with your definitions of who is or who ain't. I can't trust your judgment on matters of that sort. You think too artificially and superficially.
I'm trying to tell you, Dave.

It's called sanity.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#170491 Jun 30, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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And I notice that you don't present this as a belief, but as a truth.
I base my position on the evidence we have, from how our psychological states are related to our brain states to how even small changes in the physical brain can produce drastic changes in our psyche. When the brain stops, we are gone in the same way a candle flame is gone when the candle is blown out.
Another aspect that we *know* about the brain is that it will 'fill in' missing pieces based on previous beliefs. Even watching a movie shows this (there are always distinct frames that are filled in by the brain). So it isn't surprising that brains under stress will fill in and produce NDEs.
It is a truth in the physical world.

You stop a flow of energy and you get a back current as the matter tries to return to equilibrium.

The energy in your body affects the molecules in it, including those that cause thought. You create an EM signature. There will be a reverse flow, and thus potential for reforming to that place your virtual particles come drifting in and out of. Reverse loops ins pace or maybe even in your dark matter.

What happened to your QM thinking? The body will wind up rotting, but the charge it created could very well create a sort of mirror consciousness, at least at the core level

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#170492 Jun 30, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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Have you ever had an NDE? I have. Now, who would you logically suppose is ignorant on the subject....one hint, look in the mirror.
Don't worry about my shape, fortunately for me you'll never know. Even better, I'll never have to look at yours;0)
I am Topix atheist forum famous for my NDE.

Tell us about yours.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#170493 Jun 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I'm trying to tell you, Dave.
It's called sanity.
Catcher, true sanity can only be a remote concept beyond your comprehension evinced by your performance on here.
blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#170494 Jun 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Goonyloony, my total consciousness was inches and seconds away from stepping into a totally different existence. I had already checked out of this hotel. Not the slightest thought of my eternal discontinuance ever occurred to me. This one, yes, but that old consciousness just kept on a ticking away.
Come back to me when you have some experience.
Yes, yes, the dying brain will produce numerous delusions, do try and be more grounded in what neuroscience shows what happens to a dying brain.

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