Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
CunningLinguist

Lady Lake, FL

#168896 Jun 14, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Yup then he sent his only son to pay for all of those sins so everyone can go to heaven. Oh I'm sorry you didn't want to share this part did you. Sorry to wreck your soap box speech.
How do you know this entity, you refer to as 'god', is a "he"?

You are not 'sorry', you are attempting to patronize.

You have not read you're Bible.

You speak from the voice of ignorance, you are another one of the uneducated, the unimaginative, the unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us

"Religion is the one place where people are honored for their ignorance."
~ Ignots Pistachio

I am loath to repeat...

The Big 10 – A simple logic problem

1. I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

The first commandment has God, who describes himself as a "jealous God," proclaim by fiat that only he is to be worshipped.

All other Gods are to be shunned, and the proper penalty for worshipping Gods other than the biblical God, as the Bible itself repeatedly makes clear, is summary execution, without trial or investigation.

"If your brother, your own mother's son, or your son or daughter, or your wife, or your closest friend, entices you in secret, saying,'Come let us worship other gods'- whom neither you nor your fathers has experienced, do not assent, but take his life.

Let your hand be first against him to put him to death, and the hand of the rest of the people thereafter. Stone him to death, for he sought to make you stray from the lord your god... Thus all of Israel will hear and be afraid, and such evil things will not be done again in your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:7-12).

This biblical commandment not to kill cannot be taken as an absolute moral command, and was not even intended to be such by the author of Genesus.

The Biblical God in fact commands the death penalty for a whole slew of offenses, such being homosexual (Lev. 20:13), being a witch (Ex. 22:18), saying bad things about Yahweh (Lev. 24:16), worshipping gods other than Yahweh (Deut. 17:2-5 RSV), not being a virgin on your wedding day (Deut. 22:20-21), striking one's parents or being a stubborn and rebellious son (Ex. 21:17 , Lev. 20:9), bestiality (Ex. 22:19, Lev. 20:15-16), working or performing prohibited activities on the seventh day of the week (Ex. 31:14-15; Num 15:36).

This is the same God who, according to Christian evangelists and apologists, is a morally perfect entity, providing the sole ground and justification for all human moral values.

But how can the theological God, who is all-loving and morally perfect, be reconciled with the consistent Old Testament portrayal of God as angry, jealous, vengeful and murderous?

If God is a morally perfect being, and if all the actions of a morally perfect being are morally perfect actions, then all the actions attributed to God in the bible must be morally perfect.

Thus the fundamentalist logic forces one to admit that accepted moral evils such as infanticide, genocide and slavery are actually morally perfect actions when their God performs them.

The biblical Yahweh, who commanded genocide against whole nations (DEU 7:1-5), who incited his own "special people" to kill one another in a senseless riot (EX 32:37-8), who SPECIFICALLY demanded the murder of infants (1SAM 15:3; EZ 9:6), who caused men to engage in cannibalism (EZEK 5:10; ISA 49:26), who commanded incest, and who killed someone for refusing to comply (GEN 38:8-10; DEU 25:5-6), who engaged in deception (1KINGS 22:23; 2 THESS 2:11), and who demanded bloody animal sacrifices by the dozen (LEV 1:12; EXO 29:15-18; EXO 29:36.

2 words: Steaming Pile

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#168897 Jun 14, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
People like Dave & Your Truly Bro. Clownie, are christians who stand up for what is right, who speak out against evil, who function as light and salt in our culture. Jesus said that as believers, we are the light of the world, and we are the salt of the earth (see Matthew 5:13–14).
Onward christian soldiers!!!!!
I am not a Christian as you think. I became Christian oriented as far as ethos and cosmology on an intellectual basis. I don't see Jesus as a god, but as another human who had an insight into what this existence is about, and made the ultimate statement. I am very much on his side, and would even do battle along his side, but I am an independent operator.

Simply put, I believe in what he said, not in him as a god. I think he would agree with that.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#168898 Jun 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I am not a Christian as you think. I became Christian oriented as far as ethos and cosmology on an intellectual basis. I don't see Jesus as a god, but as another human who had an insight into what this existence is about, and made the ultimate statement. I am very much on his side, and would even do battle along his side, but I am an independent operator.
Simply put, I believe in what he said, not in him as a god. I think he would agree with that.
Well Dave I beg to differ.. but thats ok with me how ever you want to believe! Its your choice

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#168899 Jun 14, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>Well Dave I beg to differ.. but thats ok with me how ever you want to believe! Its your choice
We all have our different perspectives and definitions of what we believe.

I worship the creator of Jesus, who is the creator of us all. And the way I do so will not fit any book you read.

I do not worship words. They are the creation of men. Substitutes for material idols. Easy for the unwary to get trapped into it.

The Truth is inside you and everyone. Follow your conscience and you do what is expected of you by that force. Anything else is the trappings of a material existence and a second guessing of that which you can't know.

It all comes out in the wash.
Bongo

Coram, NY

#168900 Jun 14, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Dave I have already made it clear you will never get to give me head.
Just deal with it.
<quoted text>
For a jizzy douchebag you really are a blustery buffoon

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#168901 Jun 14, 2013
Holy mackerel. Had more water dumped in the last few minutes than almost the whole past year. Maybe it will keep the dust down for a day or two.

At least it is small hail with it. So far.

“Nothing can stop, This Pony..”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#168902 Jun 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Holy mackerel. Had more water dumped in the last few minutes than almost the whole past year. Maybe it will keep the dust down for a day or two.
At least it is small hail with it. So far.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#168903 Jun 14, 2013
Rained so hard and fast I have to go camp out in the basement to get the water seeping in from where the water line comes in. That is almost 4 feet underground. Ground is so dry it runs down the foundation before it can soak the ground. The rain was coming in hard from that direction.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#168904 Jun 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Rained so hard and fast I have to go camp out in the basement to get the water seeping in from where the water line comes in. That is almost 4 feet underground. Ground is so dry it runs down the foundation before it can soak the ground. The rain was coming in hard from that direction.
Eep.

Might I recommend a sump pump?

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#168905 Jun 14, 2013
Is everyone getting deluged with rain?

Painted a porch yesterday. It was nice all day long. Spent most it cutting in... and maybe 20 min rolling. As soon as the deck was nice and wet with paint, the sky fell on it. The wind kicked up pretty good and added a fair amount of yard debris along with all the rain.

The porch has a "natural" look to it.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#168906 Jun 14, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Eep.
Might I recommend a sump pump?
I have been meaning to put one in. I may move that up from the back burner.

Wasn't a bad leak, just surprising.

The dirt outside the basement window had piled up like 8 inches since it was built. Last year I dug it clear and went another 6 or so below it. Then shortly after we had a wicked rainstorm that filled that hole up and into my basement. I had to wet vac a couple of inches up. I then cleared and made better drainage for that hole. Now this.

For 20 years the water gods have been after my ass with the oddest little things.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#168907 Jun 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Holy mackerel. Had more water dumped in the last few minutes than almost the whole past year. Maybe it will keep the dust down for a day or two.
At least it is small hail with it. So far.
Water on Mars not mentioned in the bible.

Mars not mentioned in the bible.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#168908 Jun 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I have been meaning to put one in. I may move that up from the back burner.
Wasn't a bad leak, just surprising.
The dirt outside the basement window had piled up like 8 inches since it was built. Last year I dug it clear and went another 6 or so below it. Then shortly after we had a wicked rainstorm that filled that hole up and into my basement. I had to wet vac a couple of inches up. I then cleared and made better drainage for that hole. Now this.
For 20 years the water gods have been after my ass with the oddest little things.
Stop interfering with gods plan. How do you know he wasn't trying another noah?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#168909 Jun 14, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>atheist have no proof... science has tried but failed
YEA JESUS CHRIST
Atheism is a lack of belief in god.

Science sh*ts on your cult every day with REAL evidence, instead of blind lunacy. You are using science to type your sh*t in the atheist forum you stupid clown.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#168910 Jun 14, 2013
You worship some random Palestinian dudes who penned the Jesus myth?

Oh well this is senile Dave we are talking about.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>We all have our different perspectives and definitions of what we believe.

I worship the creator of Jesus, who is the creator of us all. And the way I do so will not fit any book you read.

I do not worship words. They are the creation of men. Substitutes for material idols. Easy for the unwary to get trapped into it.

The Truth is inside you and everyone. Follow your conscience and you do what is expected of you by that force. Anything else is the trappings of a material existence and a second guessing of that which you can't know.

It all comes out in the wash.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#168911 Jun 14, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
Is everyone getting deluged with rain?
Painted a porch yesterday. It was nice all day long. Spent most it cutting in... and maybe 20 min rolling. As soon as the deck was nice and wet with paint, the sky fell on it. The wind kicked up pretty good and added a fair amount of yard debris along with all the rain.
The porch has a "natural" look to it.
Realtree® camo?
CunningLinguist

Lady Lake, FL

#168912 Jun 14, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
Is everyone getting deluged with rain?
Painted a porch yesterday. It was nice all day long. Spent most it cutting in... and maybe 20 min rolling. As soon as the deck was nice and wet with paint, the sky fell on it. The wind kicked up pretty good and added a fair amount of yard debris along with all the rain.
The porch has a "natural" look to it.
God "works in mysterious ways".
You must have irritated him again.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#168913 Jun 14, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
<quoted text>That was 'Sam the Spammer'.

He's posted that at least five times now, that I've noticed.

Dude must be r-e-e-e-e-e-a-l-l-y be proud of it.
I see.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#168914 Jun 14, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Realtree® camo?
Genuine and authentic... The real McCoy!

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#168916 Jun 14, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
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God "works in mysterious ways".
You must have irritated him again.
I irritated him?

The old coot owes me 2 gallons of exterior latex!

Especially after he promised, all those years ago, to never do that again.

It's a porch fer Christ's sake... not an ark!

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