Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#165637 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
On the subject of reasoning, can you account for the existence of logic?
You say that atheism is founded on logic, if that is the case, please can you account for the existence of the transcendental laws of logic.
No that isn't what I wrote.
I wrote that what topix theists think is atheism for many is no more than rational skepticism based on scientific reasoning, or aka freethinking based on logical thinking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought

Since: Jan 13

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#165638 May 18, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Anything that increases our ability to pass on our genes to the next generation is advantageous - caring for "family" members can certainly be an effective way to ensure our genes continue to descend.
Why is it advantageous to ensure our genes continue to descend and to who?

The universe doesn't care.

And the rest of the animal kingdom would benefit from our demise.

Your ancestors won't care who they got their genes from, in a few generations the wont even remember you.

The success of the human race in the atheistic worldview is irrelevant as according to atheism itself, it will disappear at some point as it becomes the next victim of evolutionary processes...

So looking at atheism, there is no real purpose to atheism, it cannot account for the sense of purpose each human has...

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#165639 May 18, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Evolution is not a conscious agent. God is said to be a merciful, loving, all powerful being who turns a blind eye while babies starve to death.
What's your point?

Atheism demands that suffering be an essential part of evolutionary progress, so upon what absolute moral basis do you condemn this version of God you present?

Why would you care and upon what basis do you justify the moral position of caring.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#165640 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism is the denial of the existence of God.
Contrary to what you might claim, atheism is determined to deny the possibility of God's existence.
Redefining a term does not change the clear behaviour, that you and other atheists engage in.
Your anger towards God and anyone presenting Him to you clearly shows that this is an emotional issue for you.
You can try to define a time in a certain way, but you have to justify this emotional reaction you have to the mention of Gods existence.
This is the classic attempt to shift the burden of proof to the nonbeliever. You cant prove there is a god so you arrogantly attempt to make the existence of one the default position.
You do not have to deny something that isn't there, but for your attempt to define belief , define mine a NON BELIEVER.
I simply do not believe what you do in any circumstance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonbeliever

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#165641 May 18, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Do you actually think this makes any sense?
Absolutely, a sense of purpose itself requires an explanation of its existence, are you arguing that it doesn't?

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#165642 May 18, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>It is truly telling of your psyche that you require god to derive meaning from life.
How do you derive meaning from an atheistic worldview?

You criticise but fail to account for meaning.

Isn't that a reflection on your own psyche?:-)

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#165643 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Why is it advantageous to ensure our genes continue to descend and to who?
The universe doesn't care.
And the rest of the animal kingdom would benefit from our demise.
Your ancestors won't care who they got their genes from, in a few generations the wont even remember you.
The success of the human race in the atheistic worldview is irrelevant as according to atheism itself, it will disappear at some point as it becomes the next victim of evolutionary processes...
So looking at atheism, there is no real purpose to atheism, it cannot account for the sense of purpose each human has...
Now you are projecting your weak personal flaws on to others. Life has what purposes you make of it, we need no fricking skydaddy to tell us what our purposes in life can be.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#165644 May 18, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>We can easily derive meaning from our lives through our relationships with loved ones, our personal sense of fulfillment, our emotions, our morality, etc.

No god is necessary for life to have meaning. I don't understand why you consider life worthless without an afterlife. If anything, the fact (as far as we know) that this life is all we get makes it *more* meaningful, not less.
You have not understood the point I suspect.

I am not arguing that you do not have a sense of meaning.

I am pointing out that you cannot account for a sense of meaning.

To have meaning requires your existence to be intentional, if you are merely one of the universes accidents, then their is no rational basis for your sense of meaning and purpose.

Your worldview cannot account for your inherent sense of meaning...

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#165645 May 18, 2013
coping with atheists wrote:
<quoted text>
No he didn't , but thanks for admitting that God does exist. You do that more often than you realize. Your inability to drop the subject about God for starters.
The only reason you want to attempt to bully atheists into not talking about your delusion is so you do not have to face that your delusion is a delusion. That is all you have done with this post, betray the fear or being shown the one real fact:

Your god is a lie.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#165646 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you derive meaning from an atheistic worldview?
You criticise but fail to account for meaning.
Isn't that a reflection on your own psyche?:-)
Why does meaning have to be inherent?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#165647 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
It was either accidental or it was intentional which one is it?
Yeah, nope. Reactions to forces of nature are not accidental, is the formation of snow an accident? Is the volcanic flow an accident? Is tectonic activity and accident? When the wind blows, is that an accident?
Lincoln

United States

#165648 May 18, 2013
The troll septic posting under another name
"Th-th-th-th-that's all, folks!"
Givemeliberty wrote:
Jackasses tend to bray.
<quoted text>

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#165649 May 18, 2013
coping with atheists wrote:
<quoted text>No he didn't , but thanks for admitting that God does exist. You do that more often than you realize. Your inability to drop the subject about God for starters.
You are here because you doubt your own beliefs.

But you're afraid to admit it.

Since: Sep 08

La Junta, CO

#165650 May 18, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> No that isn't what I wrote.
I wrote that what topix theists think is atheism for many is no more than rational skepticism based on scientific reasoning, or aka freethinking based on logical thinking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Silly "frethinking" creature. You have just exchanged indoctrination by one group of men for indoctrination of others. You now worship men, and not the creative force.

I know you are happier being submissive to those humans you consider smarter than you. Even though they will be less tolerant of differing opinions than the old order. You will be trapped in their determinations of your ultimate worth to humanity. And supporting them handsomely.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#165651 May 18, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Silly "frethinking" creature. You have just exchanged indoctrination by one group of men for indoctrination of others. You now worship men, and not the creative force.

I know you are happier being submissive to those humans you consider smarter than you. Even though they will be less tolerant of differing opinions than the old order. You will be trapped in their determinations of your ultimate worth to humanity. And supporting them handsomely.
"Worship" is unique to religion.

How ya doin', Dave?

Got all your fingers?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#165652 May 18, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Silly "frethinking" creature. You have just exchanged indoctrination by one group of men for indoctrination of others. You now worship men, and not the creative force.

I know you are happier being submissive to those humans you consider smarter than you. Even though they will be less tolerant of differing opinions than the old order. You will be trapped in their determinations of your ultimate worth to humanity. And supporting them handsomely.
P.S. I see buck let you up long enough to type a post. I expect he an bongo will be arriving here shortly.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#165653 May 18, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Silly "frethinking" creature. You have just exchanged indoctrination by one group of men for indoctrination of others. You now worship men, and not the creative force.
I know you are happier being submissive to those humans you consider smarter than you. Even though they will be less tolerant of differing opinions than the old order. You will be trapped in their determinations of your ultimate worth to humanity. And supporting them handsomely.
So you admit that the only way to get people to believe in religious nonsense is to indoctrinate them. Why do you support indoctrinating children?
Imhotep

Orlando, FL

#165654 May 18, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Silly "frethinking" creature. You have just exchanged indoctrination by one group of men for indoctrination of others. You now worship men, and not the creative force.
I know you are happier being submissive to those humans you consider smarter than you. Even though they will be less tolerant of differing opinions than the old order. You will be trapped in their determinations of your ultimate worth to humanity. And supporting them handsomely.
Maybe you could try Homeopathy to fix your irrational belief in things that have no scientific basis?

Theists are akin to Han Solo dumping cargo to make the jump to light speed... At the first sign of Imperial cruisers Carrying those dreaded FACTS!

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Lincoln

United States

#165655 May 18, 2013
To state as Dawkins has that religion is a form of child abuse is closer to raving than to reason.
Smears at the religion of a billion people may be a sign of Decline?
Imhotep

Orlando, FL

#165656 May 18, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
To state as Dawkins has that religion is a form of child abuse is closer to raving than to reason.
Smears at the religion of a billion people may be a sign of Decline?
We cannot pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian God may exist; so may the gods of Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these hypotheses is more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them.

The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more often likely to be foolish than sensible.

"Because it works bitches!" ;)
~ Dawkins

Topix theists posting in atheist forums have a religious mental disorder which manifests itself with an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. Behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

Imhotep's court physicians prescribe psychotherapy. Thorazine 500 mg

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