Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#164616 Apr 29, 2013
TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>Where is your proof that Jurassic is a period in the Mesozoic era? I love how your clan wants proof but offers none. Yes, Jurassic Park was a movies, fiction, made up.
It has been proven over and over that God exists, the documented evidence in all the books, all of the internet and there is empirical proof. Now, where is your evidence of a period of time existing called Jurassic park?
Perhaps, you can explain in your own words, the exact sequence of so-called speciation evolution of gaseous explosions evolving into species and the order of species that led to man. If not, you are just flailing around waiting for Kraken.
You just stated "It has been proven over and over that God exists, the documented evidence in all the books, all of the internet and there is empirical proof."

I have not seen any of that proof, and I have been debating this topic with believers nearly 3 years on this site, and longer elsewhere. It that proof has been shown then what is it?

As for someone on this site, being able to give a detailed description of the evolutionary process as you asked, what are the odds that someone with that advanced knowledge would be spending time on a discussion site. It is quite likely that any one person would only know a small part of that, as the whole picture is a combination of a lot of individually known facts.

I know that science is still stating that there are gaps in the evidence, some of which is to do simply with the fact that examples of certain stages have not yet been discovered. In most cases all evidence of any animals living millions of years ago would have totally disappeared, so actually finding real specimens is a rarity, not the norm.

I have read in recent past articles of new findings which added another missing link to that process, but I have not kept record of where I saw that information or what it was. When one spends so much time with a lot of info as is on the internet, it is not possible to recall exactly which piece of information you found and where.

I probably see hundreds of pieces of info I didn't know before daily.

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#164617 Apr 29, 2013
TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>I promise you this is true, you have failed to apply any alleged thing about logic you may have read in a book. The error in your statement is first in your devious attempts to apply a persona to science. Science does not make conclusions, so you are either dumb or lying, humans make conclusions based on personal biases. Like you, no matter how many science degrees you obtain, your objective will be to prove there is no God. You therefore enter and leave as a bias human who misinterprets what he sees and calls it science. I suggest that you look up the two words, science and scientist, and first learn that they are not the same.
As pointed out, science can not prove a thing, it can only disprove a drawn conclusion. It is obvious that many scientists are like you, and if you found evidence of a god particle then you would apply your own bias to lead your self away from it.
Scientists always encounter many crossroads, like a maze. Most scientists are bias and they try to map and manipulate the outcome. Imagine the gay scientists who discovers that homosexuality is a mental disorder. Is he inclined to document this finding? You say what? Well, if you doubt this, the APA for over 40 years has been discarded all science evidence and studies that do not fit the gay political correctness. As I said before this came straight from the mouth of Dr. Nicholas Cummings, the former APA president.
If a racist white scientists discovered that white people were mutant chimeras, an inherently a flaw in the gene pool, do you think that he would publish this finding? Of course not. He would manipulate it so to serve his bias. Case in point, Hitler used science to try to promote his racial bigotry idea of a supreme master race.
So you, being, I assume, a human, as the rest of us are, uses another form of reasoning rather than human reasoning to how you perceive things.

I humbly suggest you have no abilities that others here on this site do not have. Since there are men in the world who have been shown to have high intelligences way above the average yet they can still only reason things with their brains, then I think we would have to assume that anyone who can go above that would have to have superhuman powers.

I am leading to admitting that God does this, because you and I are still human and we still have to process that information with our human abilities.

Are you claiming to be super-human or to have super-human abilities, that no other human, or at least scientists, do not have?

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

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#164618 Apr 29, 2013
boooots wrote:
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Sorry that is out of my area of expertise also.
I understand that man has been traced back to one common ancestor, but it is a bit complicated for me. I did though see an interesting article yesterday (perhaps someone here linked it - can't recall) which showed how primates have 24 pairs of chromosomes while man has only 23 pairs. It was theorized that one pair must have fused so that there were only 23 left when the evolution went to man, so they looked for chromosomes that could possibly be a fused chrome and they found that pair # 2 in man is a combination of two, which is determined by it having certain marks which are seen at each end of a chromosome and in the centre of each chromosome, and they found #2 had the end marks in the middle with two of the centre chromosomes, one between one end and the centre and one at the other half, which verified that it had been two chromosomes that had linked.
I find that amazing and still don't understand how man can now identify people not by chromosomes but by their DNA. Computers can even find one person in a whole catalog of people's known DNA maps. I need to study on how that is done.
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/licweb/dna...

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Since: Sep 08

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#164619 Apr 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"hence he is an entity"
What kind of entity is God?
Imaginary.
Thinking

London, UK

#164620 Apr 29, 2013
As in the square root of minus f**k all?
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Imaginary.

“Ditat Deus”

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#164621 Apr 29, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You'll end up with dirt in your eyes and tumbleweed up your ass.
And hey, nano lives in Texas, you'll be closer to your new girlfriend.
Just holler and I'll come over and help you pack.
Naw. RR hires a moving company for that.

One that doesn't use illegals.

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Since: Sep 08

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#164622 Apr 29, 2013
Thinking wrote:
As in the square root of minus f**k all?
<quoted text>
Mathematically indispensible, if you refer to *root*-1 (iota).

You can at least count without saying "twenty-ten", though, right?

“Ditat Deus”

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#164623 Apr 29, 2013
Thinking wrote:
As in the square root of minus f**k all?
<quoted text>
funk?
Thinking

London, UK

#164624 Apr 29, 2013
Indispensable it is indeed...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_unit
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Mathematically indispensible, if you refer to *root*-1 (iota).
You can at least count without saying "twenty-ten", though, right?

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Since: Sep 08

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#164626 Apr 29, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Indispensable it is indeed...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_unit
<quoted text>
*sigh*

The most annoying thing about debating fundies, is that they don't know the first effin' thing about their bible.

Or about science.

Or about debate.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#164627 Apr 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Naw. RR hires a moving company for that.
One that doesn't use illegals.
They won't be "illegals" much longer.

The one thing that will be enacted this Congressional session (and maybe the only thing, in the dysfunctional state of our federal government) is an immigration reform bill.

And it will be a bipartisan bill.

Comprendes o no, pendejo?
Thinking

London, UK

#164628 Apr 29, 2013
Did we really just get down iconed for discussing imaginary numbers?

F**k me those fundies are dumb!
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>*sigh*
The most annoying thing about debating fundies, is that they don't know the first effin' thing about their bible.
Or about science.
Or about debate.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#164629 Apr 29, 2013
Dig any ditches today or were you unloading trucks?

If you are unable to formulate that he is a being in your book of holy myths then it is obvious you have never read the bible.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>"hence he is an entity"

What kind of entity is God?

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#164630 Apr 29, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>*sigh*
The most annoying thing about debating fundies, is that they don't know the first effin' thing about their bible.
Or about science.
Or about debate.
Yet we continue to try to get them to show some intelligence. Perhaps we are the ones who are being foolish; they can't help it.:)

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#164631 Apr 29, 2013
These Christholes are allergic to reality.
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>Did we really just get down iconed for discussing imaginary numbers?

F**k me those fundies are dumb!

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Since: Sep 08

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#164632 Apr 29, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Did we really just get down iconed for discussing imaginary numbers?
F**k me those fundies are dumb!
<quoted text>
I don't even see those any more.

But yes, they are.

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Since: Sep 08

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#164633 Apr 29, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet we continue to try to get them to show some intelligence. Perhaps we are the ones who are being foolish; they can't help it.:)
I know. It's like bangin' yer head against a brick wall - not much fun while yer doin' it, but it's lovely when you leave off.

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#164634 Apr 29, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I know. It's like bangin' yer head against a brick wall - not much fun while yer doin' it, but it's lovely when you leave off.
Reminds me of a dream I had just before waking yesterday at around 7 am. I dreamed that a person was sitting on some snow on top of a vehicle when the snow collapsed and he fell backwards to the ground scraping his head on the concrete wall of the house. When I checked him his head had the whole back of it removed by the concrete and he was dead. In the process of resolving that situation the head also was detached from the body. I then woke up facing the window, and there was just enough light coming in that the first thing I saw on a dresser under the window was what looked like a severed head, but turned out to be a wig on a stand. It took me only a second to realize what had happened, but it was initially quite a shock.:)

I suppose some would say that God did it.:)

I think that is the first time that I can recall a dream actually having an immediate coincidence like that after awaking.
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#164635 Apr 29, 2013
Where is Dave Nelson?

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

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#164636 Apr 29, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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Isaac Asimov wrote, "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." Many of the regular posters on this forum have seen the truth of this firsthand and were, in fact, firm believers until, out of devotion, the made the mistake of reading the Bible in its entirety. I had to read it three times before I finally accepted that any religion based on this book was essentially insane, such was the pressure from family, friends, and mentors to believe as they did.
Im assuming the supposed contradiction lead you that way?

Well if one reads a ''book'' that says they are a God, then one could read a ''book'' that says they aint a God. All depends on what you are looking for. Me personaly wasnt looking in or reading a book to find God, he found me and i answerd his calling.
For some time, I figured that, while the Bible was false, God was real. I meditated with my Quaker friends and eventually found a spiritual home in the Baha'i Faith, which is based on books of astounding beauty and a wonderfully consistent ethos. But after a while, I saw gaping holes in that as well. I sought, sought long and hard with more vigor than most believers could muster, to no avail.
Now I am content to live as a useful member of the most intelligent species on earth, but still as a member of the animal kingdom. I need nothing more.
But I understand why others do, which is why I am a quiet atheist. As I am content where I am, so are others in very different places. Let them stay there as long as they do no harm.
As long as they do no harm.
So is God still real to you?

Thanks for sharing, and i as you say.

My Faith has also found its resting spot as well, content and unmoveable..

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