Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Apr 21, 2013
 
He must live a self deluded bubble. The fact that those brothers were Islamic extremist is all over including their VK page and twitter! Not to mention all the sites and YouTube videos and connections to an Islamic extremist cell which the Feds are currently hunting down.

You just gotta laugh at his ignorance.
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<quoted text>Aren't you even slightly upset that god botherers crippled Boston for days?

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Apr 21, 2013
 
KJV wrote:
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Nice quick little shots. Trouble is as soon as your ignorance is thrown up in your face you then disappear and wait for everyone to get on a new topic before you return in hopes of no one remembering your red faced moment.
Hmm.

Of what do you think I'm ignorant?
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polymath257 wrote:
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In that case, you know that mathemati cs has no direct relation to the real world, so your question whether infiity exists is reality is not a question about math, but rather a question about physics.
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I am more than happy to discuss the implications of either one. First, the second law is a *statistical* law relating to the number of available quantum states. At the beginning of the expansion phase, the number of such states is likely to be very small, leading to a small entropy. This is true even if there were a previous contracting universe.
Red shift mostly shows that the universe is expanding and shows a bit of the dynamics of that expansion. A much better probe of the geometry and the details of the early universe is the variance spectrum of the background radiation. This shows that space is very close to being of zero curvature, which suggests infinite space (although it is not conclusive about that).
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Why not? You show a standard lack of understanding of the nature of infinite regress. It is not a case where things start, then there is an infinite amount of time, then there is the present (which would require an actual traversal of an infinite amount of time). Instead, there is simply no start. Between any two points in time there is only a finite amount of time, yet there is always more time into the past, meaning a total of an infinite amount of time.
Too bad you are an expert in nothing.
OK, lunch meat. Here are five theories of the Universe. Do you adhere to any of them or would you prefer to offer another?

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Expert in all Things wrote:
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OK, lunch meat. Here are five theories of the Universe. Do you adhere to any of them or would you prefer to offer another?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Two more possibilities:

1) The Big Bounce. This is similar in some ways to the Oscillating universe, but with only one bounce rather than an infinite number.

2) Multi-verse. Here, there are many universes like ours that either bud off the main multiverse or, alternatively, are embedded within it.

The Big Bang is a good description of the current expansion phase, but it is based on general relativity and we *know* that quantum mechanics has to be included. We simply don't know how that is to be done. Loop Quantum Gravity is one possibility; it suggest the Big Bounce model. String theory is another possibility and it suggest a multiverse scenario.

So, in your list, the Big Bang is certainly an option, but it is probably incomplete. Oscillating universe theories are rather unlikely (though not impossible) given the data we have right now (they tend to require positively curved space). The Steady State is definitely wrong as it cannot account for the background radiation.

We can eliminate the 'Devine' and the 'instantaneous' theory as philosophical garbage. And then we have to add the Big Bounce and the multiverse version.

So much for lunch.
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polymath257 wrote:
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Two more possibilities:
1) The Big Bounce. This is similar in some ways to the Oscillating universe, but with only one bounce rather than an infinite number.
2) Multi-verse. Here, there are many universes like ours that either bud off the main multiverse or, alternatively, are embedded within it.
The Big Bang is a good description of the current expansion phase, but it is based on general relativity and we *know* that quantum mechanics has to be included. We simply don't know how that is to be done. Loop Quantum Gravity is one possibility; it suggest the Big Bounce model. String theory is another possibility and it suggest a multiverse scenario.
So, in your list, the Big Bang is certainly an option, but it is probably incomplete. Oscillating universe theories are rather unlikely (though not impossible) given the data we have right now (they tend to require positively curved space). The Steady State is definitely wrong as it cannot account for the background radiation.
We can eliminate the 'Devine' and the 'instantaneous' theory as philosophical garbage. And then we have to add the Big Bounce and the multiverse version.
So much for lunch.
Great, thanks for providing a mostly rational response.

Now my question was which one do you hold to?
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-Skeptic- wrote:
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Why don't you stupid theists ever prove your f*cking gods before opening your judgemental mouths online?
F*ckers make more atheists than the bible.
We hate crowds. The less off you and your ilk in heaven the more for us.
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What if you get in front of your god and he tells you that the only way you could deny reality was to be willfully ignorant and that your god hates willful ignorance. That you were lying to yourself and he hates liars. That the bible was a rest of your reason and your willingness to learn and you failed.
What then, bongo.
I do not comprehend your word salad. Your psychobabble is indicative of a severe underlying syndrome whitin typical topix atheist prevaricators.

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Divine theory with a floating crucifix?

Don't bother watching the video people you will be wasting your time.
Expert in all Things wrote:
<quoted text>OK, lunch meat. Here are five theories of the Universe. Do you adhere to any of them or would you prefer to offer another?

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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#163851
Apr 21, 2013
 
There is this great documentary on Netflix called Kumare. He actually as a gag creates a fake religion just to see if people will bite.

They do! Even calling him a savior and angelic being!

It's shocking how easily he does it! Many of his so called prophecies and spiritual statements are thinly veiled jokes mocking religion and some are just nonsense but guess what?

Believers line up ready to follow him!

Hunt it up people it shows the mindset of believers.
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Divine theory with a floating crucifix?
Don't bother watching the video people you will be wasting your time.
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Coward!
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#163853
Apr 22, 2013
 
One devestating fact for Christianity is that in Paul's volume of work he is ignorant of life of Jesus, the virgin birth, miracles, the lord's prayer, the sermon on the mount, exorcisms, parables, etc. The likelihood is that the gospel accounts were written decades after the events they purport to describe, and are largely if not totally fictional. According to his letters, Paul knew the apostles, and was living close to the events of the life of Jesus. His ignorance of the gospels is very telling, and exposes the fairy tale nature of the rise of religion.

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Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Unfortunate for the fakers, Gods knows the heart. The insincere cant get over. And yes I know what a strawman is, maybe you should review our exchanges and see where you used a favorite topix atheist tactic. Here ill help you, To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[3][4] This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged, emotional issues.
No, you don't know what a straw man is, just reciting the definition does not mean you know how to use the term at all. If you did, you'd know why all your heroes are wrong.

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Apr 22, 2013
 
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> We hate crowds. The less off you and your ilk in heaven the more for us.
Ah, so you ascribe to the selfish and greedy god.
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Apr 22, 2013
 
Also bongo believes heaven to be resource constrained!
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Ah, so you ascribe to the selfish and greedy god.

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Apr 22, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
Also bongo believes heaven to be resource constrained!
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So much wrong with such a notion too, for one, that's not a very powerful god he worships if there is not enough for everyone. Also, how does it last forever if there are limits?

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Apr 22, 2013
 
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> We hate crowds. The less off you and your ilk in heaven the more for us.
It's your hallucination, if you don't care about atheists, why are you even here in this forum?

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#163859
Apr 22, 2013
 
Heaven must be overrun with whining believers!

Now that would make an interesting movie! Lol!
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>Also bongo believes heaven to be resource constrained!

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Apr 22, 2013
 
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> We hate crowds. The less off you and your ilk in heaven the more for us.
LOL
So, you get more of nothing.
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Apr 22, 2013
 
Rationing!
KittenKoder wrote:
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So much wrong with such a notion too, for one, that's not a very powerful god he worships if there is not enough for everyone. Also, how does it last forever if there are limits?
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Atheism reqiures no faith whatsoever.

do you even know what atheism is?

We may trust science but we have absolutely no need for faith.

Faith = belief without proof
We have proof of our beliefs(called evidence) so we don't faith.
The things that require faith we don't believe.
If you have proof of your god then you too will no longer have or need faith.

We don't believe there is no God as you cannot prove a negative. We simply lack the faith you have that one exists.

Please educate yourselves (on something other than your bible- although some could do with that too) before attacking others, your god wouldnt like that would he?

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