Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#163845 Apr 21, 2013
Expert in all Things wrote:
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OK, lunch meat. Here are five theories of the Universe. Do you adhere to any of them or would you prefer to offer another?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =rqSzUmBrK10XX
Two more possibilities:

1) The Big Bounce. This is similar in some ways to the Oscillating universe, but with only one bounce rather than an infinite number.

2) Multi-verse. Here, there are many universes like ours that either bud off the main multiverse or, alternatively, are embedded within it.

The Big Bang is a good description of the current expansion phase, but it is based on general relativity and we *know* that quantum mechanics has to be included. We simply don't know how that is to be done. Loop Quantum Gravity is one possibility; it suggest the Big Bounce model. String theory is another possibility and it suggest a multiverse scenario.

So, in your list, the Big Bang is certainly an option, but it is probably incomplete. Oscillating universe theories are rather unlikely (though not impossible) given the data we have right now (they tend to require positively curved space). The Steady State is definitely wrong as it cannot account for the background radiation.

We can eliminate the 'Devine' and the 'instantaneous' theory as philosophical garbage. And then we have to add the Big Bounce and the multiverse version.

So much for lunch.
Expert in all Things

Redding, CA

#163847 Apr 21, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Two more possibilities:
1) The Big Bounce. This is similar in some ways to the Oscillating universe, but with only one bounce rather than an infinite number.
2) Multi-verse. Here, there are many universes like ours that either bud off the main multiverse or, alternatively, are embedded within it.
The Big Bang is a good description of the current expansion phase, but it is based on general relativity and we *know* that quantum mechanics has to be included. We simply don't know how that is to be done. Loop Quantum Gravity is one possibility; it suggest the Big Bounce model. String theory is another possibility and it suggest a multiverse scenario.
So, in your list, the Big Bang is certainly an option, but it is probably incomplete. Oscillating universe theories are rather unlikely (though not impossible) given the data we have right now (they tend to require positively curved space). The Steady State is definitely wrong as it cannot account for the background radiation.
We can eliminate the 'Devine' and the 'instantaneous' theory as philosophical garbage. And then we have to add the Big Bounce and the multiverse version.
So much for lunch.
Great, thanks for providing a mostly rational response.

Now my question was which one do you hold to?
Bongo

Bayport, NY

#163848 Apr 21, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you stupid theists ever prove your f*cking gods before opening your judgemental mouths online?
F*ckers make more atheists than the bible.
We hate crowds. The less off you and your ilk in heaven the more for us.
Bongo

Bayport, NY

#163849 Apr 21, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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What if you get in front of your god and he tells you that the only way you could deny reality was to be willfully ignorant and that your god hates willful ignorance. That you were lying to yourself and he hates liars. That the bible was a rest of your reason and your willingness to learn and you failed.
What then, bongo.
I do not comprehend your word salad. Your psychobabble is indicative of a severe underlying syndrome whitin typical topix atheist prevaricators.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#163850 Apr 21, 2013
Divine theory with a floating crucifix?

Don't bother watching the video people you will be wasting your time.
Expert in all Things wrote:
<quoted text>OK, lunch meat. Here are five theories of the Universe. Do you adhere to any of them or would you prefer to offer another?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =rqSzUmBrK10XX

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#163851 Apr 21, 2013
There is this great documentary on Netflix called Kumare. He actually as a gag creates a fake religion just to see if people will bite.

They do! Even calling him a savior and angelic being!

It's shocking how easily he does it! Many of his so called prophecies and spiritual statements are thinly veiled jokes mocking religion and some are just nonsense but guess what?

Believers line up ready to follow him!

Hunt it up people it shows the mindset of believers.
Expert in all Things

Redding, CA

#163852 Apr 21, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Divine theory with a floating crucifix?
Don't bother watching the video people you will be wasting your time.
<quoted text>
Coward!
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#163853 Apr 22, 2013
One devestating fact for Christianity is that in Paul's volume of work he is ignorant of life of Jesus, the virgin birth, miracles, the lord's prayer, the sermon on the mount, exorcisms, parables, etc. The likelihood is that the gospel accounts were written decades after the events they purport to describe, and are largely if not totally fictional. According to his letters, Paul knew the apostles, and was living close to the events of the life of Jesus. His ignorance of the gospels is very telling, and exposes the fairy tale nature of the rise of religion.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#163854 Apr 22, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Unfortunate for the fakers, Gods knows the heart. The insincere cant get over. And yes I know what a strawman is, maybe you should review our exchanges and see where you used a favorite topix atheist tactic. Here ill help you, To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[3][4] This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged, emotional issues.
No, you don't know what a straw man is, just reciting the definition does not mean you know how to use the term at all. If you did, you'd know why all your heroes are wrong.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#163855 Apr 22, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> We hate crowds. The less off you and your ilk in heaven the more for us.
Ah, so you ascribe to the selfish and greedy god.
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#163856 Apr 22, 2013
Also bongo believes heaven to be resource constrained!
KittenKoder wrote:
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Ah, so you ascribe to the selfish and greedy god.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#163857 Apr 22, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Also bongo believes heaven to be resource constrained!
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So much wrong with such a notion too, for one, that's not a very powerful god he worships if there is not enough for everyone. Also, how does it last forever if there are limits?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#163858 Apr 22, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> We hate crowds. The less off you and your ilk in heaven the more for us.
It's your hallucination, if you don't care about atheists, why are you even here in this forum?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#163859 Apr 22, 2013
Heaven must be overrun with whining believers!

Now that would make an interesting movie! Lol!
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>Also bongo believes heaven to be resource constrained!

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#163860 Apr 22, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> We hate crowds. The less off you and your ilk in heaven the more for us.
LOL
So, you get more of nothing.
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#163861 Apr 22, 2013
Rationing!
KittenKoder wrote:
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So much wrong with such a notion too, for one, that's not a very powerful god he worships if there is not enough for everyone. Also, how does it last forever if there are limits?
Libertarian

UK

#163862 Apr 22, 2013
Atheism reqiures no faith whatsoever.

do you even know what atheism is?

We may trust science but we have absolutely no need for faith.

Faith = belief without proof
We have proof of our beliefs(called evidence) so we don't faith.
The things that require faith we don't believe.
If you have proof of your god then you too will no longer have or need faith.

We don't believe there is no God as you cannot prove a negative. We simply lack the faith you have that one exists.

Please educate yourselves (on something other than your bible- although some could do with that too) before attacking others, your god wouldnt like that would he?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#163863 Apr 22, 2013
Expert in all Things wrote:
<quoted text> Great, thanks for providing a mostly rational response.
Now my question was which one do you hold to?
Well, like I said, the 'Devine' and the 'instantaneous' can be eliminated quickly. The Steady State theory doesn't account for the cosmic background radiation and the Oscillating universe is counter-indicated by the fact that the expansion of our universe is accelerating, not decelerating.

Of the three remaining (Big Bang, Big Bounce, and Multiverse), the evidence simply isn't in to distinguish between these options. Since the basic Big Bang scenario doesn't include quantum mechanics and we *know* QM will be relevant for the very early universe, I would bet that the Big Bang is not the whole story.

Of the other two, the Multiverse is implied by String theory and the Big Bounce by Loop Quantum Gravity. Both have appeal, but without a tested version of quantum gravity, it is best to wait until the evidence is in. The multiverse scenario allows for more speculation, but the Big Bounce has more internal symmetry.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#163864 Apr 22, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Divine theory with a floating crucifix?
Don't bother watching the video people you will be wasting your time.
<quoted text>
With a misspelling of 'devine'. Whatever source the makers of the video used, it was at least 20 years out of date on the scientific side.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#163865 Apr 22, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text>I do not comprehend your word salad. Your psychobabble is indicative of a severe underlying syndrome whitin typical topix atheist prevaricators.
"Rest" should be "test".

That clear it up for you?

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