Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
Lincoln

United States

#163398 Apr 12, 2013
...some atheists seem to take Hitler promises and statement as valid.
"The Sudetenland] is the last territorial claim that I have to make in Europe."

Amusing atheist fantasies regarding Hitler.
Still no scientific evidence for atheism

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#163399 Apr 12, 2013
Him being a genocidal maniac against those he called Christ Killers tends to have that effect.

I was watching something on A n E I think and it was showing some of the Nazi inventions. Certainly they had some creative ideas.
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>The Hitler position is interesting yet pointless. His religion matters little. The most interesting thing that I find is that nobody mentions the "good" things that happened because of Hitler. Some major technological advances happened on his watch..
Tender Pork

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#163400 Apr 12, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
"Normal" is not accepted here.
God will likely destroy you all in an earthquake. How endowed will you be then?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#163401 Apr 12, 2013
Tender Pork wrote:
<quoted text> God will likely destroy you all in an earthquake. How endowed will you be then?
You think god causes earthquakes? How idiotic would you have to be to worship a deity that killed maimed and injured tiny children who have no crime, nor evil in their heart? Earthquakes have no deity to control them , them being an ignorant geophysical event and thanks for that. For if there were a reason as such, then there would be a god to slay, as humans do not tolerate the killing of children.
This is admonished mind you, as the greatest evil.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#163403 Apr 12, 2013
There are about 200 earthquakes over M2.5 every week, about 30 of which are strong enough to cause at least minor damage if they occur on land an in populated areas. This has been going on for millennia, but only over the course of the twentieth century was the technological network developed to detect them. A few each year cause enough damage to make headlines, and for those who don't follow seismic events, their rarity masks the constant underlying activity.

Over the last 30 days, there have been 98 earthquakes that measured M5.0 or greater. The whole "God is gonna getcha with an earthquake" threat is laughable.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/
Tender Pork

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#163404 Apr 12, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
There are about 200 earthquakes over M2.5 every week, about 30 of which are strong enough to cause at least minor damage if they occur on land an in populated areas. This has been going on for millennia, but only over the course of the twentieth century was the technological network developed to detect them. A few each year cause enough damage to make headlines, and for those who don't follow seismic events, their rarity masks the constant underlying activity.
Over the last 30 days, there have been 98 earthquakes that measured M5.0 or greater. The whole "God is gonna getcha with an earthquake" threat is laughable.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/
Its laughable that you dont realise how in "total" control God is. Every hair on your head is counted every snow flake is created every star is named and every earthquake is commanded. But humans like you act quizical because you're right up there on par with an all powerful ancient deity.
Tender Pork

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#163405 Apr 12, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
You think god causes earthquakes? How idiotic would you have to be to worship a deity that killed maimed and injured tiny children who have no crime, nor evil in their heart? Earthquakes have no deity to control them , them being an ignorant geophysical event and thanks for that. For if there were a reason as such, then there would be a god to slay, as humans do not tolerate the killing of children.
This is admonished mind you, as the greatest evil.
You're very dumb. Very limited in understanding.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#163406 Apr 12, 2013
Tender Pork wrote:
<quoted text> Its laughable that you dont realise how in "total" control God is. Every hair on your head is counted every snow flake is created every star is named and every earthquake is commanded. But humans like you act quizical because you're right up there on par with an all powerful ancient deity.
Right! Screw him and his "facts" and his "knowledge." You and I, brother, we know that god only makes it *appear* as if earthquakes are a regular event, so that he might cull from the herd those who are weak of faith. Only a FOOL would think that god doesn't sit up in the sky, calling down earthquakes at will.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#163407 Apr 12, 2013
Tender Pork wrote:
<quoted text> You're very dumb. Very limited in understanding.
That is possible, but with all due respect maestro, I'm not the one with the superstitious belief that a deity is in control of of plate tectonics and the atomic decay inside Earth.
It doesn't take a genius to understand atomic decay the ring of fire, the creation and subduction of the plates , continental drift magma pressure changes and fault slips are what causes Earthquakes.
Aside from the occasional miniquakes created from the extraction of oil that is. But you're welcome to fantasize about your hero being the reason, like some primitive Asian island tribes still do.
Tender pork

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#163410 Apr 12, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey dude, life here in Socal rocks.
At least for those of us who are well endowed.
"Gayness" will not be mandatory (watch your spelling), but accepted as normal and it doesn't harm you in any way.
My invite stands btw.
something aint right about you catcher. Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
In most states, no. You need a prosecution and a conviction.
Send me a cashier's check for $250.(Highly discounted rate by the way.)
Correct.

...$250??

Did you think I was asking for a blow-job with it?
Mary Magdalena

United States

#163411 Apr 12, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You will love this:

http://kimjongunlookingatthings.tumblr.com/
That was good.
Tender pork

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#163412 Apr 12, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
That is possible, but with all due respect maestro, I'm not the one with the superstitious belief that a deity is in control of of plate tectonics and the atomic decay inside Earth.
It doesn't take a genius to understand atomic decay the ring of fire, the creation and subduction of the plates , continental drift magma pressure changes and fault slips are what causes Earthquakes.
Aside from the occasional miniquakes created from the extraction of oil that is. But you're welcome to fantasize about your hero being the reason, like some primitive Asian island tribes still do.
You cant fathom the degree in wich God is in control of everything.
Mary Magdalena

United States

#163413 Apr 12, 2013
spudgun wrote:
There is no proof of God. Its all in the mind. It is a psychological projection, to enable the person to feel protection from harm, and from death. This is why the holy spirit is called comforter. It is a feeling of comfort that one gets from their own mind psychological projection.
Spud.

How old is the universe?
Mary Magdalena

United States

#163414 Apr 12, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Sorta is good.

Sorta...
More less, considerable less then more more less.

M&M
Mary Magdalena

United States

#163415 Apr 12, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
Creationist troll out of steam.
You've got it all wrong.

Christians have clouds
Atheist will be where the steam is.
Mary Magdalena

United States

#163416 Apr 12, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
Creationist troll out of steam.
Throw another atheist on the fire.
Mary Magdalena

United States

#163417 Apr 12, 2013
urmommaspellofrut wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler a Christian but he turning away from the war mongering religion just like America is doing right know.
"Where did Darwin's ideas lead?

Enthused with his new theory, it's doubtful that Charles Darwin gave much thought to the possible moral consequences of what he was writing. He certainly could not have foreseen that less than 75 years later, his ideas would lead to Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust, the Nazi attempt at exterminating the Jews. But Professor Weikart's detailed book documents the connection, with plenty of quotes from mostly German philosophers and scientists in the intervening years.
Dr. Richard Evans, professor of modern history at the University of Cambridge and author of The Coming of the Third Reich, says that Weikart's book "shows in sober and convincing detail how Darwinist thinkers in Germany had developed an amoral attitude to human society by the time of the First World War, in which the supposed good of the race was applied as the sole criterion of public policy and 'racial hygiene.'
"Without over-simplifying the lines that connected this body of thought to Hitler, he demonstrates with chilling clarity how policies such as infanticide, assisted suicide, marriage prohibitions, and much else were being proposed for those considered racially or eugenically inferior by a variety of Darwinist writers and scientists, providing Hitler and the Nazis with a scientific justification for the policies they pursued ..." ( From Darwin to Hitler, back cover)"

http://www.ucg.org/news-and-prophecy/how-darw...
Mary Magdalena

United States

#163418 Apr 12, 2013
urmommaspellofrut wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler a Christian but he turning away from the war mongering religion just like America is doing right know.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v...

"Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwin’s theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitler’s administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the ‘superior race’. This required at the very least preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latter’s gene pool. The ‘superior race’ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwin’s original ‘survival of the fittest’ theory. This philosophy culminated in the ‘final solution’, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as ‘inferior races’."
Mary Magdalena

United States

#163419 Apr 12, 2013
urmommaspellofrut wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler a Christian but he turning away from the war mongering religion just like America is doing right know.
Do you believe this?
What a sucker! You would believe anything Hitler said! Yes Hitler called himself a Christian. You believe him!
Why would he lie? You need to learn what a Christian is. Hitler was no Christian.

"Hitler was not a Christain or a Christian. as for Hitler, you will get the same answer any and every time in one form or another any time you want to say Hitler was a Christian. This is not open to dispute, since Hitler was not a Christian.

Was Hitler a Christian?

October 30, 1999

Dear Straight Dope:

In my numerous online debates in various chatrooms, I have learned the following: many Christians seem to think that Adolf Hitler was an atheist (or at least wasn't "Christian"). Of course I and my fellow atheists know better, as Hitler mentions his devotion to Christianity numerous times in his writings. Can you clear this up for me? Was Hitler an "honest to God" Christian, or was he simply using religion as a means of control?- Carl Stieger

The short answer is a definite "maybe" or, more precisely, "probably neither." The looooong answer is somewhat more complicated.

You are right that Hitler did mention Christianity many times in his writings. He paid Christianity a lot of lip service in Mein Kampf, and he claimed to be a Christian. But Hitler's secretary, Martin Bormann, also declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" and Hitler didn't squawk too much about it. Similarly, Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In addition, Hitler declared Nazism the state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools.

First, let's look at what he said that seems to put him on the anti-Christian side:

According to a press release from Catholic League President, William A. Donohue (2/4/99): "Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church. In 1933, Hitler said,'It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.'"

[further down, within the text:]

“... atheists looking for a quick cheap-shot may claim Hitler was a Christian; similarly, Christians looking for a quick shot may claim he was an atheist. Know what? Hitler was a vegetarian! Oooh, those evil vegetarians! He also recommended that parents give their children milk to drink instead of beer and started the first anti-smoking campaign.(So by the "reasoning" used in these types of arguments, if you are truly anti-Hitler, you should smoke heavily and only give your baby beer!) Better watch out, though he was an oxygen-breather, too! In other words, does it really matter whether Hitler was an atheist or a Christian or whatever? Just because somebody may hold a particular worldview (along with other views) doesn't make him a spokesman for that view, or even remotely representative of others who hold that view.”"

continued:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699...
Mary Magdalena

United States

#163420 Apr 12, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Your tall tales are amusing. Did you also dig the Grand Canyon with your trusty Ox Blue?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a!!
Did I hear a monkey talking about the Grand Canyon?

http://www.grandcanyontreks.org/geology2.htm

"Inevitably, some of these visitors will turn to a park ranger and ask: "How did the Grand Canyon get formed? Why did this happen here and nowhere else?"

The honest answer is that nobody knows. One hundred and thirty-one years after John Wesley Powell first mapped the Colorado River by riding its 161 rapids in heavy wooden boats, no one can prove how the canyon was formed.

But it is not for lack of trying.

Geologists are puzzle freaks who love nothing more than collecting fragmentary clues -- clumps of gravel, fossilized shells and pollens, the dates that muddy sediments were deposited in dried-up lakes or whole mountain ranges were lifted -- and then trying desperately to figure out how the modern topography before their eyes was produced.

More.....

The modern Colorado appears to be a young river that flows out of the Rockies and hits a huge plateau, called the Kaibab Upwarp, which is 50 million to 70 million years old. Instead of being shunted away from this barrier, the river runs right through it. Moreover, when sediments from the river are examined closely, it is clear that the western end of the canyon -- where it flattens out and begins its final run to the Gulf of California -- is many millions of years younger than the eastern part of the river.

To many experts, this difference means that the Grand Canyon could have been cobbled together from ancient river basins that were created during different geologic eras. But if so, when and how were those ancient rivers formed and where did they go?

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