Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Mar 11

United States

#163166 Apr 8, 2013
Would you say you have always been civil on here?
Lil Ticked wrote:
and civility abounds.

Since: Mar 11

Blackburn, Australia

#163167 Apr 8, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Karl Marx
VI Lenin
Communist atheists killed 50 million in the 20th century.
Lucky we don't have records of all the people killed by religions over the centuries.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#163168 Apr 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Catholic is literally defined as; Including a wide variety of things; all-embracing.
Like hell.

All catholics are christians.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#163169 Apr 8, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
When defined as such, the word is not capitalized. When capitalized, it refers to the Catholic Church as an institution or to its members. All words have multiple meanings, and which applies depends on context. Applying one meaning when another clearly fits the context is either dishonest or stupid.
Or both.
Imhotep

Hernando, FL

#163170 Apr 8, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Creationist can't take facts to his face.
Facts remain the Achilles' heel of these theist posters. They are very devout dogma addicts.
I think you should take a look at this, Unlike the Bible this is true.

--

Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District
United States District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania

Argued September 26, 2005-November 4, 2005,
Decided December 20, 2005
Full case name: Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School

Teaching intelligent design in public school biology classes violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States (and Article I, Section 3 of the Pennsylvania State Constitution) because intelligent design is not science and "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious,

U.S. Const. Amend. 1; Penn. Const. Art. I, 3
Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District, et al.(400 F. Supp. 2d 707, Docket no. 4cv2688) was the first direct challenge brought in the United States federal courts testing a public school district policy that required the teaching of intelligent design.

In October 2004 the Dover Area School District changed its biology teaching curriculum to require that intelligent design be presented as an alternative to evolution theory, and that Of Pandas and People was to be used as a reference book.

The plaintiffs successfully argued that intelligent design is a form of creationism, and that the school board policy violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. The judge's decision sparked considerable response from both supporters and critics.

Eleven parents of students in Dover, York County, Pennsylvania, near the city of York, sued the Dover Area School District over the school board requirement that a statement presenting intelligent design as "an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin's view" was to be read aloud in ninth-grade science classes when evolution was taught.

The plaintiffs were represented by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Americans United for Separation of Church and State (AU) and Pepper Hamilton LLP. The National Center for Science Education (NCSE) acted as consultants for the plaintiffs. The defendants were represented by the Thomas More Law Center (TMLC).

The Foundation for Thought and Ethics, publisher of Of Pandas and People, a textbook advocating intelligent design and whose prominence within the trial was such that it is sometimes referred to as the Dover Panda Trial, tried to join the lawsuit late as a defendant but was denied for multiple reasons.

On December 20, 2005, Jones issued his 139-page findings of fact and decision ruling that the Dover mandate requiring the statement to be read in class was unconstitutional.

The ruling concluded that intelligent design is not science, and permanently barred the board from "maintaining the ID Policy in any school within the Dover Area School District, from requiring teachers to denigrate or disparage the scientific theory of evolution, and from requiring teachers to refer to a religious, alternative theory known as ID.

All 8 of the Dover school board members who were up for re-election on November 8, 2005 were defeated by a set of challengers who opposed the teaching of intelligent design in a science class.
(The ninth member was not up for re-election.) The school board president subsequently stated that the board did not intend to appeal the ruling.

Epic fail!

Science the winner - superstition the loser. ;)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._...

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#163172 Apr 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Aw, how cute. You've found a fake company using the name "Gallup" to make them seem more believable...
Hint: That poll isn't a Gallup Poll...
LMAO!
Notice page 20? What kind of reputable polling company would use words like "age-wise", "education-wise" or "religious-wise"???
ROTFLMMFAO !!
You tried.
That usage, until recently, might have been considered less than perfectly formal. It's getting more and more acceptable as time passes.

Also, of course, there's a long tradition behind it: "Clockwise,", "Otherwise", "Slantwise", "Sunwise"...

And if that's all you can find to cavil about...

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#163173 Apr 8, 2013
It would be in the billions easily.
saidI wrote:
<quoted text>Lucky we don't have records of all the people killed by religions over the centuries.
Imhotep

Hernando, FL

#163174 Apr 8, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
It would be in the billions easily.
<quoted text>
Have you forgotten God is so perfect his first creation was so worthless he had to destroy it !

who did he leave to fix all these things eight and let's assume multiracial incestuous family members one of which was 900 years old and very inexperienced of building a boat

The poor doofus forgot all about North America South America Antarctica Australia God is confused about what he created.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#163175 Apr 8, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
In that case deem your link to be invalid or my point stands no matter how much you stomp your feet and wail.
<quoted text>
"Because I say so" fallacy.

Do try harder...

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#163176 Apr 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"Because I say so" fallacy.
Do try harder...
prove your f*cking god you lying sack of sh*t

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#163177 Apr 8, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Like hell.
All catholics are christians.
I know, shh.

I just wanna get on GLM's nerves :)

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#163178 Apr 8, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>That usage, until recently, might have been considered less than perfectly formal. It's getting more and more acceptable as time passes.
Also, of course, there's a long tradition behind it: "Clockwise,", "Otherwise", "Slantwise", "Sunwise"...
And if that's all you can find to cavil about...
I did 'cavil' about several things.

You only stuck with the wise-wise part...

But no, "education-wise" isn't a word.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#163179 Apr 8, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
prove your f*cking god you lying sack of sh*t
Ok.

Just as soon as you prove you love your mom.

Ready.
Set.
Go.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#163180 Apr 8, 2013
There is no proof of God. Its all in the mind. It is a psychological projection, to enable the person to feel protection from harm, and from death. This is why the holy spirit is called comforter. It is a feeling of comfort that one gets from their own mind psychological projection.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#163181 Apr 8, 2013
For fans of Apple, this is well worth watching.

Advert for Somersby Cider parodies Apple stores. From youtube..

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#163182 Apr 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I did 'cavil' about several things.
You only stuck with the wise-wise part...
But no, "education-wise" isn't a word.
As an occasional linguistic purist, I'm inclined to agree.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163183 Apr 8, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Facts remain the Achilles' heel of these theist posters. They are very devout dogma addicts.
I think you should take a look at this, Unlike the Bible this is true.
--
Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District
United States District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania
Argued September 26, 2005-November 4, 2005,
Decided December 20, 2005
Full case name: Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School
Teaching intelligent design in public school biology classes violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States (and Article I, Section 3 of the Pennsylvania State Constitution) because intelligent design is not science and "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious,
U.S. Const. Amend. 1; Penn. Const. Art. I, 3
Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District, et al.(400 F. Supp. 2d 707, Docket no. 4cv2688) was the first direct challenge brought in the United States federal courts testing a public school district policy that required the teaching of intelligent design.
In October 2004 the Dover Area School District changed its biology teaching curriculum to require that intelligent design be presented as an alternative to evolution theory, and that Of Pandas and People was to be used as a reference book.
The plaintiffs successfully argued that intelligent design is a form of creationism, and that the school board policy violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. The judge's decision sparked considerable response from both supporters and critics.
Eleven parents of students in Dover, York County, Pennsylvania, near the city of York, sued the Dover Area School District over the school board requirement that a statement presenting intelligent design as "an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin's view" was to be read aloud in ninth-grade science classes when evolution was taught.
The plaintiffs were represented by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Americans United for Separation of Church and State (AU) and Pepper Hamilton LLP. The National Center for Science Education (NCSE) acted as consultants for the plaintiffs. The defendants were represented by the Thomas More Law Center (TMLC).
The Foundation for Thought and Ethics, publisher of Of Pandas and People, a textbook advocating intelligent design and whose prominence within the trial was such that it is sometimes referred to as the Dover Panda Trial, tried to join the lawsuit late as a defendant but was denied for multiple reasons.
On December 20, 2005, Jones issued his 139-page findings of fact and decision ruling that the Dover mandate requiring the statement to be read in class was unconstitutional.
The ruling concluded that intelligent design is not science, and permanently barred the board from "maintaining the ID Policy in any school within the Dover Area School District, from requiring teachers to denigrate or disparage the scientific theory of evolution, and from requiring teachers to refer to a religious, alternative theory known as ID.
All 8 of the Dover school board members who were up for re-election on November 8, 2005 were defeated by a set of challengers who opposed the teaching of intelligent design in a science class.
(The ninth member was not up for re-election.) The school board president subsequently stated that the board did not intend to appeal the ruling.
Epic fail!
Science the winner - superstition the loser. ;)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._...
Science lost. The Constitution also lost.

Judge Jones plagiarized nearly all of his writing on the case. Copied it word for word from the ACLU's brief in the case.

The brief was factually incorrect.

ID has nothing to do with religion; and religion in public schools is not prohibited by the Constitution.

Go learn something.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#163184 Apr 8, 2013
spudgun wrote:
There is no proof of God. Its all in the mind. It is a psychological projection, to enable the person to feel protection from harm, and from death. This is why the holy spirit is called comforter. It is a feeling of comfort that one gets from their own mind psychological projection.
Wrong.

Theists also fear death, as do atheists.

Your theory is a psychological projection of your need to be right.

Mixed with some amateur psychobabble.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#163185 Apr 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Science lost. The Constitution also lost.

Judge Jones plagiarized nearly all of his writing on the case. Copied it word for word from the ACLU's brief in the case.

The brief was factually incorrect.

ID has nothing to do with religion; and religion in public schools is not prohibited by the Constitution.

Go learn something.
I see you haven't.

Do you think just because you've been away that your tired, old and faulty arguments will have somehow gained credibility?

You might get a few of the more recent posters to re-enter your idiotic debate, but you'll still lose.

Because you're still a loser.
Imhotep

Hernando, FL

#163186 Apr 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Science lost. The Constitution also lost.
Judge Jones plagiarized nearly all of his writing on the case. Copied it word for word from the ACLU's brief in the case.
The brief was factually incorrect.
ID has nothing to do with religion; and religion in public schools is not prohibited by the Constitution.
Go learn something.
Dismissed!

Obtuse and irrelevant reply devoid of information or proof. It's obvious you haven't read the Bible dimwit.

I think the home wants you to return it's time for your afternoon meds.

How's that Thorazine working for you?

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