Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Apr 4, 2013
 
Imhotep wrote:
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Like those of the Jewish writer Josephus, the works of the ancient historians Pliny, Suetonius and Tacitus do not provide proof that Jesus Christ ever existed as a "historical" character.
Pliny the Younger, Roman Official and Historian (62-113 CE)
Tacitus, Roman Politician and Historian,(c. 56-120 CE)
Suetonius, Roman Historian (c. 69-c. 122 CE)
When addressing the mythical nature of Jesus Christ, one issue repeatedly raised is the purported "evidence" of his existence to be found in the writings of Flavius Josephus, the famed Jewish general and historian who lived from about 37 to 100 CE.
In Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews appears the notorious passage regarding Christ called the "Testimonium Flavianum" ("TF"):
"Now, there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works,--a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day."
The are: No sculptures, no drawings, no markings in stone, nothing written in his own hand; and no letters, no commentaries, indeed no authentic documents written by his Jewish and Gentile contemporaries, Justice of Tiberius, Philo, Josephus, Seneca, Petronius Arbiter, Pliny the Elder, et al., to lend credence to his historicity."
In the final analysis there is no evidence that the biblical character called "Jesus Christ" ever existed.
All of these historians were born well after the alleged events -'Hearsay' is not 'evidence' for a reason!
Caesar by comparison is easily verified.
Yup.

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Does the typical topix atheists that spend inordinate amounts of time claiming there is no deity actually support the idea that there is a deity? What kind of individual spends their time inanely yammering about something they claim does not exist?

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Apr 4, 2013
 
Bongo wrote:
Does the typical topix atheists that spend inordinate amounts of time claiming there is no deity actually support the idea that there is a deity? What kind of individual spends their time inanely yammering about something they claim does not exist?
Most of us do not claim there is no god only there is no good reason to belive in one, so try asking your opponent what their thoughts on god(s) are before you say something dumb.
Thank you.
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"All Gaul is under Roman control, except for one small village of indomitable Gauls that still holds out against the Romans."
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<quoted text>Yup.
"Omnia Gallia in partes tres divisa est..."
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Apr 4, 2013
 
True Bible©

1. Do you believe in God?

A.Yes, I believe in the one TRUE God.
B.Yes, I have my own religious beliefs.
C.I'm not really sure but a sword to my throat would convince me.
D.Not, I prefer rationality.

2. Do you believe in MY God?ered
A. Oh totally.(That's a fine sword you have there).
B. Nah, I already have one of those.
C.There is no God. Gasp!
D. My ass itches

3. Do you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

A. You bet! One time, two times, three times my savior!
B.Once in a while.
C. Jesus who?
D. No, I'll opt out.

4. Have you read the King James Bible?

A. Yes! Like OMG, it's my freaking life!
B. Yeah, it was decent.
C. Yes, but The Cat in the Hat was better.
D. I'd rather eat a thumbtack sandwich than read that garbage.

5. The TRUE meaning of the 6th Commandment:

A. Thou shalt not kill anyone for any reason.
B.Thou shalt not kill anyone except for the people who don't believe in the same God you believe in or people who don't believe in God at all.
C. Thou shalt not kill except if they really piss you off.
D. Slay away! More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason in history.

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Apr 4, 2013
 
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I like the new look!
Thx, I need to eat more...

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Apr 4, 2013
 
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I know, right? He totally could have accepted Jesus as his lord and savior before he died and sits in heaven right now.
What makes you assume Jesus would accept or forgive Hitler?

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From your own link he had plans to promote a positive Protestant brand of Christianity and was ready to champion that... According to your own link... Which you obviously didn't read... And you are just making a bigger jackass out of yourself now much like when you said Catholics did not believe in Jesus l.
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Here it is again, son...

"The adult Adolf Hitler was a rationalist and a materialist, who saw Christianity as a religion fit for slaves, and a rebellion against the natural law of selection and survival of the fittest."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_view...

Hitler hated Christianity and hated Christians even more.

Deal with it.

I never said Catholics don't believe in Jesus.

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Imhotep wrote:
True Bible©
1. Do you believe in God?
A.Yes, I believe in the one TRUE God.
B.Yes, I have my own religious beliefs.
C.I'm not really sure but a sword to my throat would convince me.
D.Not, I prefer rationality.
2. Do you believe in MY God?ered
A. Oh totally.(That's a fine sword you have there).
B. Nah, I already have one of those.
C.There is no God. Gasp!
D. My ass itches
3. Do you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?
A. You bet! One time, two times, three times my savior!
B.Once in a while.
C. Jesus who?
D. No, I'll opt out.
4. Have you read the King James Bible?
A. Yes! Like OMG, it's my freaking life!
B. Yeah, it was decent.
C. Yes, but The Cat in the Hat was better.
D. I'd rather eat a thumbtack sandwich than read that garbage.
5. The TRUE meaning of the 6th Commandment:
A. Thou shalt not kill anyone for any reason.
B.Thou shalt not kill anyone except for the people who don't believe in the same God you believe in or people who don't believe in God at all.
C. Thou shalt not kill except if they really piss you off.
D. Slay away! More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason in history.
The salvation of your eternal soul depends on how you
Writing 101:

Finish your sentence.
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Here it is again, son...
"The adult Adolf Hitler was a rationalist and a materialist, who saw Christianity as a religion fit for slaves, and a rebellion against the natural law of selection and survival of the fittest."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_view...
Hitler hated Christianity and hated Christians even more.
Deal with it.
I never said Catholics don't believe in Jesus.
Yet Hitler grew-up surrounded by religion and often made statements that sounded as if he took religion as seriously as, say, Pres Obama, e.g. "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lordís work." [Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]

http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/Catholic/Hi...
"Catholics today can't distance themselves enough from Adolf Hitler. But that wasn't the case in the 1930's and 40's when he was one of the most powerful men on earth."

So Hitler probably saw that religion was nonsense. I think most people do if they think about it. As in all periods, religion can and is used for wrongdoing,(e.g. Zionism; Islamism; Pope's dictats regarding condoms in Africa; attacks on science like ID/Creationisim; etc). The presence or absence of religion doesn't affect morality. Religion is simply as irrelevant to morality as any other superstition.

The lesson is that most religions are divisive and based on superstition.

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Thinking wrote:
"All Gaul is under Roman control, except for one small village of indomitable Gauls that still holds out against the Romans."
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Laffin.

Those Narbonenses were a pain in the butt.

Seriously, I've seen several versions of the "Omnia Gallia" quote - but I'm a linguistic purist. In Latin, I want the verb at the end of the sentence.
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Because he was sorry about the fig tree.
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What makes you assume Jesus would accept or forgive Hitler?
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Hitler was the catholic leader of a majority protestant Nazi Germany.

Deal with that.
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Here it is again, son...
"The adult Adolf Hitler was a rationalist and a materialist, who saw Christianity as a religion fit for slaves, and a rebellion against the natural law of selection and survival of the fittest."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_view...
Hitler hated Christianity and hated Christians even more.
Deal with it.
I never said Catholics don't believe in Jesus.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Here it is again, son...
"The adult Adolf Hitler was a rationalist and a materialist, who saw Christianity as a religion fit for slaves, and a rebellion against the natural law of selection and survival of the fittest."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_view...
Hitler hated Christianity and hated Christians even more.
Deal with it.
I never said Catholics don't believe in Jesus.
apologist drivel from proven creationist liar

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EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Yet Hitler grew-up surrounded by religion and often made statements that sounded as if he took religion as seriously as, say, Pres Obama, e.g. "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lordís work." [Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/Catholic/Hi...
"Catholics today can't distance themselves enough from Adolf Hitler. But that wasn't the case in the 1930's and 40's when he was one of the most powerful men on earth."
So Hitler probably saw that religion was nonsense. I think most people do if they think about it. As in all periods, religion can and is used for wrongdoing,(e.g. Zionism; Islamism; Pope's dictats regarding condoms in Africa; attacks on science like ID/Creationisim; etc). The presence or absence of religion doesn't affect morality. Religion is simply as irrelevant to morality as any other superstition.
The lesson is that most religions are divisive and based on superstition.
Hey thanks, Ed.

How about you find a quote that wasn't a public speech, ie; pandering to potential voters.

Oh, I've got one for ya:

"We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany."

Hitler's religion was Nazism.

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Thinking wrote:
Hitler was the catholic leader of a majority protestant Nazi Germany.
Deal with that.
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Hitler wasn't Catholic.

His parents were. He was raised in a Catholic home...

But just like may atheists today, he turned his back on his parent's religion.

Imagine that.

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apologist drivel from proven creationist liar
Did your grammar and punctuation go in the Septic tank?

LOL

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Did your grammar and punctuation go in the Septic tank?
LOL
Where's your proof of god

*silence*

That's right proven liar.
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Apr 4, 2013
 
Hitler kept going to church and paying monies to the church right up until the year he died.

Realise that.
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Hitler wasn't Catholic.
His parents were. He was raised in a Catholic home...
But just like may atheists today, he turned his back on his parent's religion.
Imagine that.

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Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler kept going to church and paying monies to the church right up until the year he died.

Realise that.
Just for yuks, google "pictures of the pope and hitler".

Just for yuks.

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