Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Since: Feb 08

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#161349 Mar 20, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Fiber optics is not a vacuum. In fact, it is material designed for a specific purpose, and is calibrated and timed to measure according to that design. It will be constant because of that.
I didn't say fiber optics is a vacuum.

And, yes... it is designed. It does what it's designed to do.

That's the point.

Theory lead to application.

The application confirms the theory.

Reflectometry is nothing new.

RADAR is time domain dependent.

How long has RADAR been around?
What speed does the light travel in that controlled circumstances?[QUOTE]

Depends on the fiber. All fiber is not created equal.

[QUOTE]As you noted, there are temperature and other effects on even that controlled circuitry, which is powered to a level high enough to overcome most of the environment. Trillions of miles of space has lots of interference. I'm just saying they don't have enough info or sufficient testing to create an absolute speed of light, and then use that figure to measure the cosmos, then present that as absolutes.[QUOTE]

I wasn't talking about trillions of miles of space... or measuring the cosmos. Just one tiny part of it.

I was talking about a few miles of optical fiber.

[QUOTE]We had testboard men in the old days that could pit you within feet of a bad copper splice with Wheatstone bridges, cable maps, and ambient air temp.
Yeah!

Think of what they could do today.

It's getting done... everyday.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#161350 Mar 20, 2013
Freggin slashes!...
What speed does the light travel in that controlled circumstances?
Depends on the fiber. All fiber is not created equal.
As you noted, there are temperature and other effects on even that controlled circuitry, which is powered to a level high enough to overcome most of the environment. Trillions of miles of space has lots of interference. I'm just saying they don't have enough info or sufficient testing to create an absolute speed of light, and then use that figure to measure the cosmos, then present that as absolutes.
I wasn't talking about trillions of miles of space... or measuring the cosmos. Just one tiny part of it.

I was talking about a few miles of optical fiber.
We had testboard men in the old days that could pit you within feet of a bad copper splice with Wheatstone bridges, cable maps, and ambient air temp.
Yeah!

Think of what they could do today.

It's getting done... everyday.

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#161351 Mar 20, 2013
Come to think of it.

Observing a light stream coming toward you, as those pinpoints of far distant galaxies, and even the sun itelf, you are looking into the source with a very long stream of photons, waves, or whatever, extending all the way back to that source. You won't see through it headon.

Any impediment to that stream, such as refraction, will back that stream up. The slowed down light gets bumped in the butt. Like train cars slowing down suddenly. Theoretically making it brighter, and larger. Just like what happens looking at stars with high humidity in the air.

What I mean is you look into the cross section, but all you see is the cross section, and that stream has been pulsed by rear end collisions all the way to you. Not just through our atmosphere.
bohart

Newport, TN

#161352 Mar 20, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>When you raise children with love and understanding, spanking become totally unnecessary. You obviously missed the classes on how to be a good parent, too bad, really!
Ohh! truthfully, how many kids do you have?

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#161353 Mar 20, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
Freggin slashes!...
<quoted text>
Depends on the fiber. All fiber is not created equal.
<quoted text>
I wasn't talking about trillions of miles of space... or measuring the cosmos. Just one tiny part of it.
I was talking about a few miles of optical fiber.
<quoted text>
Yeah!
Think of what they could do today.
It's getting done... everyday.
Hukt, there is a big difference between a few miles of optic cable and the edge of the universe. Too much to base modern cosmology on an assumed constant speed of light.

http://blog.advaoptical.com/speed-light-fiber...

http://www.ciscopress.com/articles/article.as...

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#161354 Mar 20, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Although you would just love to have these things to hang your hat on, neither of them are supported with any real evidence.....Oh Oh, there's that terribly scary word again. Even if there were supporting demonstrable evidence, it would still do nothing to prove your God thing exists. But do keep trying, I enjoy the show!!!
:-)

It's the same sort of statistics and probabilities some of our QM proponents use. Plus the virtual particles, and thus reality.



http://www.youtube.com/watch...
CunningLinguist

Hernando, FL

#161355 Mar 20, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>What kind of window does God come through when he comes to touch your head?
"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for anyone of civilized taste".
~Evelyn Waugh

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#161356 Mar 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Dude....
That's was a lot of typing to say "I don't know".
LOL
Poly? When is light not moving?
When it is totally dark.

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#161357 Mar 20, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Stuck ones.
Cranking up Windows after a while when you really need it in a hurry, and you get stuck in endless updates in which you have to reboot.
Never happened to me. You have to know how to run the windows and not let then run you.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#161358 Mar 20, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/20/ business/sothebys-china-bowl/i ndex.html?hpt=hp_c3
Check those deals you got at yard sales.
I love yard sales. Something so human about them.

We could tell you're a bag lady. lol

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#161359 Mar 20, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Never happened to me. You have to know how to run the windows and not let then run you.
Are you sure it's not running you?

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#161360 Mar 20, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Yes, like all terrorists they were killing for their belief (and still do on a small scale), not the belief of the majority of the population concerned but their own personal minority belief.
They made there belief public by committing some of their atrocities such as indiscriminately killing children in the United Kingdom
And they named themselves the IRA of whatever flavour, the R meaning republican.
The fact that they were funded by cash and drugs supplied by US republicans and armed by terrorist republican and communist states using the money donated by US republicans and the suffering of addiction makes no difference to the fact that they were (are) called the Irish Republican Army.
In fact I suppose because they called themselves the IRA excuses drug running, child murder and indiscriminate terrorist acts in your eyes - right?
Just because they are republican in Ireland doesn't mean republicans fund them from here Christine, It could be many professed democrats supporting them from here also. The Irish "republican" name means nothing in America.

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#161361 Mar 20, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>What kind of window does God come through when he comes to touch your head?
Must be a rear window, "gasp".

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#161362 Mar 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Are you sure it's not running you?
I have control, not my computer, not Christine, or RR, or even topix, well topix has control of um....topix ugh sorta.
No really I have run suse (you said you like suse) and redhat , but I like windows, though it's terribly expensive in comparison.
Friends will send you the hat for nothing.

BUT...and there's always a but...

I like windows because I worked real had to understand it.
Probably the same reason you like your flavor of OS.

I haven't messed with Mac much, I suppose I should give it a whorl.:)

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#161363 Mar 20, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Hukt, there is a big difference between a few miles of optic cable and the edge of the universe. Too much to base modern cosmology on an assumed constant speed of light.
http://blog.advaoptical.com/speed-light-fiber...
http://www.ciscopress.com/articles/article.as...
Dave...

Are you there, Dave?

Open the pod bay door, Dave.

<as if you've never heard that'n before>

I was talking ABOUT a few miles of optical fiber.

NOT cosmology.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#161364 Mar 20, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Projection always makes you look silly
I know! but I still have a good time...
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#161365 Mar 20, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Ohh! truthfully, how many kids do you have?
I have two, one of each!!
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#161366 Mar 20, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Must be a rear window, "gasp".
For anyone without that horrible metal illness, Delusional Disorder, having an invisible being touch you on the head would be a terrifying experience. Not only touch you, but be totally convinced it was real. I'm always amazed at the extent of what an unsupported belief can do to people. Scary, really scary!!!

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#161367 Mar 20, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>What kind of window does God come through when he comes to touch your head?
Errr....

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#161368 Mar 20, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>When you raise children with love and understanding, spanking become totally unnecessary. You obviously missed the classes on how to be a good parent, too bad, really!
Thanks, Dr Phil.

But you're wrong.

You don't know me, why are you psychoanalyzing me like you do?

Is being disingenuous common for you?

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