Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#161248 Mar 19, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I prefer Suse, it's smaller and has better legacy support as well as nice flavors. Works well with Xfce and doesn't mess up when running Blender every 5 minutes like Ubuntu does. Ubuntu's choices for memory management force many people to add in other repo systems to make the computer work well, that's not a "well maintained" repo/system.
As for Totem, it's great for quick video tests, but the interface is lacking, MPlayer's interface, called SMPlayer, is far superior in that it offers more control and tweaking.
I'm just a simple kind of guy. My needs are simpler than yours.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#161249 Mar 19, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Never could get Red Hat to install right on any computer I had. Was an epic to get, anyhow, back then. I started with Debian, went with Slackware for a while, then back to Debian and then Ubuntu.
Linux grew faster than I could keep up with after Debian 3. So much security stuff they inserted.
Back in “the day”... on the one hand... things were simpler... because there were fewer choices to be made.

On the other hand... the choices that were available were geared for enthusiasts, by enthusiasts.

Today... things are just the opposite. That's one way of looking at it, anyhow.
Ubuntu is well maintained and does about everything out of the box. Just a few tweaks is all it needs. The Unity is something they are going to for commercial purposes, some lens thing to search for specific products. Ubuntu wants to wind up on other platforms, too. I do like the window closing on the left once I got used to it.
Again... Ubuntu's a fine distro. You'll not hear me say anything bad about it.

On this little T61 (close to 6 years old now), Fedora 7 was my OS of choice... for the reason you point out with Ubuntu >>> With a little tweaking here and there, everything worked. F7 stayed on it for 5 years... 3 years after that version reached EOL. Fedora 17 works out of the box... everything... albeit a bit sluggishly. >>> Too much bloat. I have heat issues to contend with and F17 doesn't help. The laptop's been brought back from literal death 3 times now. I think I told ya about it when it happened the first time. >>> Mobo reflow in kitchen oven. I'm really attached to this laptop... kinda like a doctor to a patient.

Slackware's actually already installed on a separate partition... it just isn't getting used. I need to take a day or two and make the cross-over.
Kubuntu eats up too much resources with that KDE fo me. Too much like Windows. I like the simplicity of Gnome. I LOVE Totem. Plays everything, and I like Goom. Just wish I could come up with a file script to enqueue that survives release changes.[QUOTE]

I like a KDE for its “tweakablity”. I also like several of the resource friendly desktop environments >>> LXDE, XFCE, Fluxbox, etc.

The fact that it (KDE) is similar to Windows is the reason Kubuntu is recommended for those wanting something besides Windows. Most of the people I install it for are really just looking for a dependable way to access the Web, check email, office apps, etc. It works well to those ends provided the machines aren't antiquated.

Haven't messed with Totem too much. If it works, stick with it. For me, it's VLC.

[QUOTE]OS/2 was my favorite system. You could customize the hell out of that, all built in. But it died. No support.[QUOTE]

It's a shame too. I have a copy of OS/2 Warp 3, floppy disks, that's never even been installed.

[QUOTE]Too old and tired to want to play with these things any more.
I'm getting there myself. But, just imagine if Linux didn't exist and there was nothing to play with.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#161250 Mar 19, 2013
Damnit!... that post got all screwed up.

Sorry 'bout that.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#161251 Mar 19, 2013
Lemme fix it...
Kubuntu eats up too much resources with that KDE fo me. Too much like Windows. I like the simplicity of Gnome. I LOVE Totem. Plays everything, and I like Goom. Just wish I could come up with a file script to enqueue that survives release changes.
I like a KDE for its “tweakablity”. I also like several of the resource friendly desktop environments >>> LXDE, XFCE, Fluxbox, etc.

The fact that it (KDE) is similar to Windows is the reason Kubuntu is recommended for those wanting something besides Windows. Most of the people I install it for are really just looking for a dependable way to access the Web, check email, office apps, etc. It works well to those ends provided the machines aren't antiquated.

Haven't messed with Totem too much. If it works, stick with it. For me, it's VLC.
OS/2 was my favorite system. You could customize the hell out of that, all built in. But it died. No support.
It's a shame too. I have a copy of OS/2 Warp 3, floppy disks, that's never even been installed.
Too old and tired to want to play with these things any more.
I'm getting there myself. But, just imagine if Linux didn't exist and there was nothing to play with.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#161252 Mar 19, 2013
Junior ground? Ya that just about sums it up.

Goodbye turd.

:flush;
LargeLanguage wrote:
<quoted text>Shut up, BOY! Can't stand your junior ground, BOY? Eh BOY?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#161253 Mar 19, 2013
Crazy old Dave, always good for a laugh.
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.ghosttheory.com/201 3/03/15/higgs-boson-psychokine sis?

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

This would play hell with atheism. Would point to something larger than our individual selves.

Of course, you would then get atheist apologetics, saying this universal consciousness sprang from stellar shit.
LargeLanguage

Chester, UK

#161254 Mar 19, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Junior ground? Ya that just about sums it up.
Goodbye turd.
:flush;
<quoted text>
Did you know that Riverside Redneck said that he enjoyed that his children would jump when he tells them to jump without even saying how high? Sounds like a dictator.
CunningLinguist

Hernando, FL

#161256 Mar 19, 2013
If Operating Systems Ran The Airlines...

UNIX Airways
Everyone brings one piece of the plane along when they come to the airport. They all go out on the runway and put the plane together piece by piece, arguing non-stop about what kind of plane they are supposed to be building.

Air DOS
Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then they jump on and let the plane coast until it hits the ground again. Then they push again, jump on again, and so on...

Mac Airlines
All the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents look and act exactly the same. Every time you ask questions about details, you are gently but firmly told that you don't need to know, don't want to know, and everything will be done for you without your ever having to know, so just shut up.
Windows Air
The terminal is pretty and colourful, with friendly stewards, easy baggage check and boarding, and a smooth take-off. After about 10 minutes in the air, the plane explodes with no warning whatsoever.

Windows NT Air
Just like Windows Air, but costs more, uses much bigger planes, and takes out all the other aircraft within a 40-mile radius when it explodes.

Windows XP Air
You turn up at the airport,which is under contract to only allow XP Air planes. All the aircraft are identical, brightly coloured and three times as big as they need to be. The signs are huge and all point the same way. Whichever way you go, someone pops up dressed in a cloak and pointed hat insisting you follow him. Your luggage and clothes are taken off you and replaced with an XP Air suit and suitcase identical to everyone around you as this is included in the exorbitant ticket cost. The aircraft will not take off until you have signed a contract. The inflight entertainment promised turns out to be the same Mickey Mouse cartoon repeated over and over again. You have to phone your travel agent before you can have a meal or drink. You are searched regularly throughout the flight. If you go to the toilet twice or more you get charged for a new ticket. No matter what destination you booked you will always end up crash landing at Whistler in Canada.

OSX Air:
You enter a white terminal, and all you can see is a woman sitting in the corner behind a white desk, you walk up to get your ticket. She smiles and says "Welcome to OS X Air, please allow us to take your picture", at which point a camera in the wall you didn't notice before takes your picture. "Thank you, here is your ticket" You are handed a minimalistic ticket with your picture at the top, it already has all of your information. A door opens to your right and you walk through. You enter a wide open space with one seat in the middle, you sit, listen to music and watch movies until the end of the flight. You never see any of the other passengers. You land, get off, and you say to yourself "wow, that was really nice, but I feel like something was missing"

Linux Air
Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide to start their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters, and pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee to cover the cost of printing the ticket, but you can also download and print the ticket yourself.
When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plane leaves and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is, "You had to do what with the seat?"

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#161257 Mar 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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A non-vacuum media...
Light travels though unoccupied space at 1c (empty space; a vacuum).

Light *only* travels through unoccupied space, and *always* at 1c.

Don't stop reading, RR.

When a photon encounters a particle of matter, it gets absorbed by the particle.

Shortly thereafter, a new photon gets emitted from the particle.

There's a brief duration of time between absorption and emission. It's a very, very brief duration... but, it is quantifiable.

The new photon travels at a speed of 1c until it encounters another particle of matter, where and when it gets absorbed and a new-new photon is re-emitted.

The processes is repeated, over and over, as light traverses what we're referring to as “occupied space”... which really consists of mostly empty space.

Have you ever heard that an atom consists of mostly empty space? It's true.

Molecules consists of atoms. Thus, molecules are mostly empty space.

The stuff that occupies space consists of molecules. Thus, the stuff consists of mostly empty space.

Light's speed is constant, at 1c, when it's traveling. Otherwise, it's waiting to be emitted.

The overall effect is that light's “apparent speed” varies. The variability depends upon the duration of time between absorption/emission of photons when they encounter matter... and the distance they travel between encounters.

Thus, it's perfectly acceptable to posit that light's speed is constant.
LargeLanguage

Chester, UK

#161258 Mar 19, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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Light travels though unoccupied space at 1c (empty space; a vacuum).
Light *only* travels through unoccupied space, and *always* at 1c.
Don't stop reading, RR.
When a photon encounters a particle of matter, it gets absorbed by the particle.
Shortly thereafter, a new photon gets emitted from the particle.
There's a brief duration of time between absorption and emission. It's a very, very brief duration... but, it is quantifiable.
The new photon travels at a speed of 1c until it encounters another particle of matter, where and when it gets absorbed and a new-new photon is re-emitted.
The processes is repeated, over and over, as light traverses what we're referring to as “occupied space”... which really consists of mostly empty space.
Have you ever heard that an atom consists of mostly empty space? It's true.
Molecules consists of atoms. Thus, molecules are mostly empty space.
The stuff that occupies space consists of molecules. Thus, the stuff consists of mostly empty space.
Light's speed is constant, at 1c, when it's traveling. Otherwise, it's waiting to be emitted.
The overall effect is that light's “apparent speed” varies. The variability depends upon the duration of time between absorption/emission of photons when they encounter matter... and the distance they travel between encounters.
Thus, it's perfectly acceptable to posit that light's speed is constant.
Can you prove particles are mostly empty space? I suppose not. Believing what you hear, you aren't hardcore, you must be getting it secondhand if you are not an expert.

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#161259 Mar 19, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
Lemme fix it...
<quoted text>
I like a KDE for its “tweakablity”. I also like several of the resource friendly desktop environments >>> LXDE, XFCE, Fluxbox, etc.
The fact that it (KDE) is similar to Windows is the reason Kubuntu is recommended for those wanting something besides Windows. Most of the people I install it for are really just looking for a dependable way to access the Web, check email, office apps, etc. It works well to those ends provided the machines aren't antiquated.
Haven't messed with Totem too much. If it works, stick with it. For me, it's VLC.
<quoted text>
It's a shame too. I have a copy of OS/2 Warp 3, floppy disks, that's never even been installed.
<quoted text>
I'm getting there myself. But, just imagine if Linux didn't exist and there was nothing to play with.
I hate to tell you how many dozens and dozens of times I installed using those diskettes, and the Fixpacks. You can't be in any rush.

Virtualbox handles it pretty well. I managed to get it in and the fixpacks. You will find a Virtualbox image with guest additions torrent download for Warp 4 with fp6 that should fire up if you have virtualization turned on in the BIOS. Warp 4 is difficult to install on Virtualbox from scratch.

Something to play with.:-)

Years ago I had an old 486dl 66 with a 200 MB drive and 12 MB RAM. Real tight. I managed to strip Warp3 down to the bare essentials and installed Office 4.3, Netscape, Procomm4, and a fax program. Was a necessity at the time.

Funny, I haven't got one single floppy disk laying around anywhere, anymore. Had a couple of big boxes full.

You should see the old Compaq c552 laptop I have. The lid has come loose from the base, it is missing keys from the cat hanging off it, and several dings from falling over the years, plus flat getting used a lot. I have it mounted to some siding to hold up the screen with, you guessed it, duct tape. I use it as a jukebox and backup, with Vista and Ubuntu on it. I love that laptop.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#161260 Mar 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"believes that nothing is known", not "knows nothing is known"...
Read, my man. Read.
You are without knowledge pertaining to your god.

You qualify as agnostic.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#161261 Mar 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Omg dude... I thought OCB was anal retentive.
You take the cake.
All this time, I've been talking about that post of yours that started with "Light's speed is constant."
There was only one post of yours that started with that particular sentence.
That was the only post I've been referring to.
I know it sucks to lose, but you just did.
You still aren't paying attention.

You are still being ignorant.

You're busted.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#161262 Mar 19, 2013
LargeLanguage wrote:
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Can you prove particles are mostly empty space? I suppose not. Believing what you hear, you aren't hardcore, you must be getting it secondhand if you are not an expert.
The theory works.

Application is the proof.

Since: Sep 08

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#161263 Mar 19, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
<quoted text>
Light travels though unoccupied space at 1c (empty space; a vacuum).
Light *only* travels through unoccupied space, and *always* at 1c.
Don't stop reading, RR.
When a photon encounters a particle of matter, it gets absorbed by the particle.
Shortly thereafter, a new photon gets emitted from the particle.
There's a brief duration of time between absorption and emission. It's a very, very brief duration... but, it is quantifiable.
The new photon travels at a speed of 1c until it encounters another particle of matter, where and when it gets absorbed and a new-new photon is re-emitted.
The processes is repeated, over and over, as light traverses what we're referring to as “occupied space”... which really consists of mostly empty space.
Have you ever heard that an atom consists of mostly empty space? It's true.
Molecules consists of atoms. Thus, molecules are mostly empty space.
The stuff that occupies space consists of molecules. Thus, the stuff consists of mostly empty space.
Light's speed is constant, at 1c, when it's traveling. Otherwise, it's waiting to be emitted.
The overall effect is that light's “apparent speed” varies. The variability depends upon the duration of time between absorption/emission of photons when they encounter matter... and the distance they travel between encounters.
Thus, it's perfectly acceptable to posit that light's speed is constant.
It encounters a field in that empty space passing through the molecules. That is what does the absorbing and re emitting. And not in the same direction.

Fields exist in outer space, too. Disrupt part and you encounter resistance. It isn't as tight as within a molecule, but it is there.

Since: Jul 12

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#161264 Mar 19, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
<quoted text>
Light travels though unoccupied space at 1c (empty space; a vacuum).
Light *only* travels through unoccupied space, and *always* at 1c.
Don't stop reading, RR.
When a photon encounters a particle of matter, it gets absorbed by the particle.
Shortly thereafter, a new photon gets emitted from the particle.
There's a brief duration of time between absorption and emission. It's a very, very brief duration... but, it is quantifiable.
The new photon travels at a speed of 1c until it encounters another particle of matter, where and when it gets absorbed and a new-new photon is re-emitted.
The processes is repeated, over and over, as light traverses what we're referring to as “occupied space”... which really consists of mostly empty space.
Have you ever heard that an atom consists of mostly empty space? It's true.
Molecules consists of atoms. Thus, molecules are mostly empty space.
The stuff that occupies space consists of molecules. Thus, the stuff consists of mostly empty space.
Light's speed is constant, at 1c, when it's traveling. Otherwise, it's waiting to be emitted.
The overall effect is that light's “apparent speed” varies. The variability depends upon the duration of time between absorption/emission of photons when they encounter matter... and the distance they travel between encounters.
Thus, it's perfectly acceptable to posit that light's speed is constant.
Interesting and "RedneckReadable"...

"Light's speed is constant, at 1c, when it's traveling."

Question:

When is light not traveling?

Since: Jul 12

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#161265 Mar 19, 2013
LargeLanguage wrote:
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YOU are. Why aren't you discussing computers like the rest of them are, little pup? Don't even know the name of the computer you use?
No, it's "sociopath", you idiot. Not sociapath...

Am I discussing computers???

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#161266 Mar 19, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
It encounters a field in that empty space passing through the molecules. That is what does the absorbing and re emitting. And not in the same direction.
Fields exist in outer space, too. Disrupt part and you encounter resistance. It isn't as tight as within a molecule, but it is there.
Okay...

errr...

Okay.

I'm not trying to get overly specific with RR.

I'm simply pointing out that my statement was not incorrect... and still isn't.

Since: Jul 12

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#161267 Mar 19, 2013
LargeLanguage wrote:
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Did you know that Riverside Redneck said that he enjoyed that his children would jump when he tells them to jump without even saying how high? Sounds like a dictator.
Yup.

RR says "jump"

RR's kids jump.

They don't even ask how high....

“Michin yeoja”

Since: Oct 10

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#161268 Mar 19, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
Well, everyone, I am going to be out of country for the next week or so and probably out of communication with topix. I hope everyone enjoys discussing whether c is constant!
c is not constant.

Sometimes it takes on the ssss sound and sometimes the k sound. Sometimes it's used a number and sometimes a musical note. I hear it's also used as a static variable in mathematical equations.

So, not only is c not constant, it's quite versatile.

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