Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Can't wait to see him lie his way out of this one.
I know... right!?!

He's already tried.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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M'kay there, sweet cheeks.

You've linked the wrong post and you know it. You're being disingenuous and you're still lying.

Here's the post we've been discussing, the 9th one on the page.

http://m.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/TUG...

Your first line is:
"Light's speed is constant."

You ain't the only one that can google Topix....

Liar.
I couldn't find any posts by hukt at that link.

Google better.

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polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>We can see the orbits of the nearby stars around this object (this is how we know it is there). We know it is emitting no light. We know it is incredibly massive (around 4 million solar masses). We know it is in a very small space (within 6.5 light hours). That fits *all* the requirements for a black hole. We are even measuring the distortion of space around it by the precession of the orbits of the stars. There is no alternative theory that explains the observations.

What, in your mind, is required to 'detect' a black hole?
There's also a cloud of gas headed for it that will make for some interesting data this year.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Our scientific technology is pretty damn weak.

Our senses trump science every time.

Try it.
Try building your own computer.

And I don't mean assembling one out of bought components.

Make one from scratch and then tell me how weak our science is.

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Intensity decreases as the inverse square of the distance. That has nothing to do with the speed of light.
I would think it has more to do with interstellar dust and interference than any other reason. Being the medium is not perfect nor was it designed specifically for it.

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Intensity? How does the intensity work? Why the further it travels, the dimmer it gets?
Because like you and every other thing that exists in motion.

It encounters resistance .

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Right.
In this one, you start off saying "Light's speed is constant."
http://m.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/TUG...
Then I erase the rest of your post & only reply to that first sentence.
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
Light's speed is constant.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
No it isn't.
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Then you started whining...
RiversideRedneck wrote:
No it isn't.
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
Why don't you address the whole post?
...Instead of trying to dispute that one little piece of it?
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Why should I?
When the very first sentence is wrong, logic dictates that the rest of the post will be equally wrong.
http://m.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/TUG...
Stop whining.
Give it up, RR.

You're busted.

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Mar 18, 2013
 
BTW...

I'm not whining... you're whining.

I'm bitching.

Said so yourself.

Google it.

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If it can't be seen, how do you know it exists?
Much like tomorrow , some things we have come to know.

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That's awesome. Bless those people, man. 16 years of research...
Now they really think they've located a black hole.
If only there was a way to detect it & prove them right.
Been there did that, you will not understand this.

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Love cannot be seen, but we know it exists.
Fear cannot be seen, but we know it exists.
Black holes cannot be seen, but we know they exist.
God cannot be seen, but we know He exists.

Three emotional states that are in fact real.
But a physical thing has physical evidence of it's physical existence. Is this so very hard for you to climb up the hill to see with your physical eyes
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Largelanguage wrote:
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What is that? Squareroot has nothing to do with it.
I call POE. Nobody can be that stupid and still be able to breath.

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Yes, the point is that Dick Dawkins is an arrogant prick that spreads his assumptions so that dumb asses like you can help him make his fortune.
And I never said I don't use Fox News, I said I've only posted them once or twice.
I agree with you, Dawkins is arrogant. But see, he earned the right to be arrogant, he studied for decades on matters that frighten people, he voiced out against things that most people were too frightened to voice against before his time. Dawkins has real degrees, not the Ken Hamm phony ones, not the "christian science" degrees you can buy online, but actual degrees he had to spend a lot of time studying and testing just to earn.

Your religion placates you, by telling you that stupid is a virtue, thus you must deny all those who have earned the right to state things as facts, to make you feel somehow better about being an idiot. The irony being, I could debate Dawkins and pose a legitimate opponent to him, and I don't have degrees, but I have studied things as long as he has, perhaps longer as I don't know how young he was when he chose knowledge over social interaction. But I could stand toe to toe with him and come out as his equal. You cannot, thus you have to attack him in spite of his merits. Learn some real humility for once, not that fake humility your religion teaches.

Oh, and the video you posted, the title for that video is more accurate than your descriptive of it. Bill is scared to death of being wrong, because if he was to ever admit to being wrong he'd have to face the reality of his delusions.

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Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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Okay.
Cool, what flavour?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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As I've said, detecting a things supposed effects is not the same as detecting that thing.
We definitely see some effects: the orbits of the stars and their timings.
I think it's great that we're able to do that kind of stuff, but to jump to grandiose conclusions just seems arrogant & premature to me.
Not grandiose conclusions at all: determining the mass is old hat and the size is limited by the fact that the orbiting stars do not collide with whatever is there. The only conclusion that fits that observed facts is that there is a black hole.
How do they know it's massive? They can't see it or detect it in any way.
The timing of the orbits allows the determination of the mass. A faster orbit at a given distance is associated with a higher mass. This is pretty standard and well tested. it's how we knew the mass of Jupiter before actually going there (watching the orbits of its moons).
They've been looking at it through an telescope, an awesome telescope, for 16 years. Tell me, how much data could you collect from staring at a rock for 16 years? A bird? A human? A car?
Not a whole lot.
Once again, the orbits of the stars close by is what gives us the information we need to say it is a black hole, from its mass to the size of the region is occupies. Like I pointed out, we are even measuring the warping of space in the region by measuring the precession of the orbits of those stars. Sixteen years of data there gives a lot of relevant information.

Again, what *else* do you think is required to say we have detected a black hole?

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Sorry? I didn't answer your question. I have no idea how to detect a black hole, if they even exist. I'm not qualified to answer that question.
And yet you disagree when those who *are* qualified to answer that question conclude that one has been detected. Isn't that rather arrogant of you?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Our scientific technology is pretty damn weak.
Our senses trump science every time.
Try it.
Our science is *based* on the senses.

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I couldn't find any posts by hukt at that link.
Google better.
You must be blind. Out of the 20 posts on that page, he had eight of them. The post in question is his fifth of eight.

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Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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Give it up, RR.
You're busted.
Busted?!?

HA HA HA !!!

You're the one trying to backpedal and weasel your way out of this. Your first sentence was "lights speed is constant."

That's not a lie, that's the truth. And you damn well know it.

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Little monkeys.
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I used to spank them, but I've never beaten them.

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