Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#160494 Mar 16, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>Oxygen didn't. You're silly science only says it did during the big bang.
Only hydrogen, some helium and traces of lithium came directly from the Big Bang.

All of the heavier elements had to wait until after stars formed.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#160495 Mar 16, 2013
[QUOTE who="*THOR*"]<quo ted text>
Which colour light is that "exact" speed for?
[/QUOTE]

In a vacuum? All 'colors', including ones like infra-red, radio waves, ultra-violet, x-rays, etc.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#160496 Mar 16, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm beginning to think s/he is actually a Poe.
I believe you may be right.
*THOR*

United States

#160497 Mar 16, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>No, that's why I said EXACT.
And what colour light was that "EXACT" speed for again?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#160498 Mar 16, 2013
[QUOTE who="*THOR*"]<quo ted text>
And what colour light was that "EXACT" speed for again?[/QUOTE]Colour is a function of wavelength.
*THOR*

United States

#160499 Mar 16, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
[QUOTE who="*THOR*"]<quo ted text>
So if a car was traveling at 299,792,458 m/s and turned on its headlights would that light then be traveling twice that speed? Of would its lights never leave the bulb?
"

Since you can't get a massive object (like the car) to move at the speed of light, the question is nonsense.

Now, if the car was going at 299,792,457 meters per second past you, you would see the light as moving at 1 meter per second away from the car and the car would see it as moving at 299,793,458 meters per second away from it.
"Since you can't get a massive object (like the car) to move at the speed of light, the question is nonsense."

You haven't seen my car!

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#160500 Mar 16, 2013
[QUOTE who="*THOR*"]<quo ted text>Which colour light is that "exact" speed for?[/QUOTE]

All light.

Light is just another name for electromagnetic radiation.

Visible light is the tiny part of the spectrum of wavelengths that we can see with our eyes.

It all travels at c in a vacuum.

Different wavelengths travel at different velocities through different media.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#160501 Mar 16, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have told you before.
Catcher's very purpose on these threads is to educate the uninformed and help people lead a better life.
Am I doing a creditable job?
Your doeng a gr8t jobb.

“Ditat Deus”

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#160502 Mar 16, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>So you believe in pixie dust, and the fish Gods from Neptune? What about the all power God thing that keeps slapping you in the head?????? Aren't you NOT supposed to have others Gods before you? Your baby killer is gong to be very displeased with you!!!
Did I say I believe in pixie dust or gods of Neptune?

Derp

“Ditat Deus”

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#160503 Mar 16, 2013
scaritual wrote:
KittenKoder wrote:
It hasn't detected leprechauns either.
<quoted text>
Well, there's this.
"I set My rainbow in a cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant [promise] between Me and the earth. It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud; and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh." - Genesis 9:13-15.
It was soon after that the Leprechauns started their hiding pots of gold at the end of the rainbow.
But, we know the world wasn't destroyed by a "worldwide biblical deluge". We know "all flesh" wasn't destroyed by the biblical deluge.
It is myth. Just like Leprechauns are myth, too.
Science has a good record for being able to detect reality.
Science really can't detect or verify unreality.
It's funny that everyone always thinks *current* science is correct.

Science used to know that the universe was infinite.

Science used to know that the Milky Way is the universe.

Science used to know that insects come from rotting foods.

And the people of the times knew science was right....

Just like you do today.
*THOR*

United States

#160504 Mar 16, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>No, actually. That is exact because it is the current *definition* of the meter.
Then that would be to the closest cm?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#160505 Mar 16, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you can't see what chocolate tastes like, it doesn't exist.
You are continually confirming your stupidity as well as your dishonesty.
You continually and intentionally change words in others' arguments in your feeble attempts to discount them.
That kind of dishonesty is your admission of defeat.
Detect=/=see.
Dolt.
Perhaps your atheist thought blocking techniques stopped you from reading my post in detail.

I said that dark matter and black holes have not been seen "in any way".

Which implies more than just visually (that means seen from the eyes.....).

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#160506 Mar 16, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
I do task for proof.
I ask for evidence.
You keep changing that to proof.
Do you know the difference between evidence and proof?
*sigh*

I'm so sick of that pointless question.

Evidence is the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Proof is evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.

They go hand in hand.
*THOR*

United States

#160507 Mar 16, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
[QUOTE who="*THOR*"]<quo ted text>
Which colour light is that "exact" speed for?
"

In a vacuum? All 'colors', including ones like infra-red, radio waves, ultra-violet, x-rays, etc.
Ok so what's the story with red shift and blue shift of galaxy's?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#160508 Mar 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Which means motion is the primary force. Like I have said a few times, space in motion is the only true force. Space in as whatever we expanded into. All of those bubbles and streams create your particles of worship and secondary forces.
As I posted before, the filling in of the wake of a moving object is the speed limit of light, and the cause of inertia. Those objects are caused by bubbles of space becoming separate packages within that space. The speed of light can be broken, but it requires a steady stream of space between two objects. Magnetism is such a stream, but on our level it is packetized, your magnetic moments and it being assembled on the molecular scale. You have individual streams essentially a molecule wide, but the twisting and turning introduces a cavitation to it.
If the EM force is universal, the leading edge of the wave would have to exceed the speed of light. You have layers of these streams arising from a magnetized object. The stronger layers, the shorter distances between poles, force succeeding layers outward. Those streams have to accelerate to maintain themselves. This separation of streams and varying strength allows for other streams to form perpendicular to the streams between the streams, creating apparent separate fields, but tied to that base unit of mass. Little tornadoes diving back to the source if the opportunity presents itself. You can shunt a magnetic field and create a new flux flow the others have to deal with.
It is all about motion and its direction, and relative resistance to motion, which creates polarity. However, this is done on the subatomic scale and up. Creates bubbles within the larger currents. This is why matter is like a foam.
Your physical brain is a part of this foam. The real you occupies the spaces in between.
Or something like that.
The ramblings of The Dave Nelson ...2615

“Ditat Deus”

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#160509 Mar 16, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
Yes, invisible. As in not interacting with light. We do not expect to *ever* see dark matter with light. But, we can and do *detect* dark matter through its gravitational interactions.
No, invisible, as in unable to be seen, not visible, concealed from sight.

It has nothing to do with light.

DNA was once invisible to us. It is still invisible to the naked eye, but with the right tool, it is very visible....
Neutrinos also are invisible and have never been seen directly in any way. But we do detect them and understand their properties.
Neutrinos have been detected since the 1970's.

Dark matter has never been detected, it's still hypothetical.

FYI - "detected" doesn't mean "seen".....

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#160510 Mar 16, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Dave.
It's nothing like that.
Whatever "that" was.
I think he just starts stringing words together and finally runs out of things.

The post is done.

The Dave Nelson has spoken.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#160511 Mar 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>It's funny that everyone always thinks *current* science is correct.

Science used to know that the universe was infinite.

Science used to know that the Milky Way is the universe.

Science used to know that insects come from rotting foods.

And the people of the times knew science was right....

Just like you do today.
That's why you have to keep up with it.

Current science is our best estimate.

It always will be.

Science is not stagnant, like religion.

That's why science involves more than one book.

Derp.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#160512 Mar 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
*sigh*
I'm so sick of that pointless question.
Evidence is the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
Proof is evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
They go hand in hand.
So, which have you got, and how much?

“Ditat Deus”

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#160513 Mar 16, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because that is what the data is showing. The data is the ultimate test of any scientific viewpoint.
<quoted text>
That is why scientific results have error bars on them: to quantify a degree of confidence that the real answer is in a range we know about.
Data is never incorrect. It may be biased because of instruments, or because of the types of things we can actually detect, or even by incompetence. But the data isn't wrong. If severe bias is found (and verified by future data), then we can discount it after we understand the source of the bias. Unless you are suggesting outright dishonesty among those collecting and analyzing the data from several different branches of cosmology, the universe is expanding and has been expanding for the last 13.7 billion years (to withing a hundred million). The data fits a model based on general relativity having a cosmological constant(dark energy) and non-baryonic matter (dark matter). We do not understand many of the properties of dark energy or of dark matter, but hose issues are being actively studied and more data is being collected. But that is how science works: move from the known into the unknown and make the unknown known. Even if we have only collected 5%, we know a lot more than if we had only collected 1%.
LMAO!

"Data is never incorrect"?!?!?

So when the available data showed science that the Milky Way is the universe, the data was correct?

HA HA !!

And when the available data showed that insects are born of rotting food, the am data was correct???

Dude....

"Data is never incorrect" is an incredibly cocky and stupid attitude to have.

But now I understand why you think the way you do.

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