Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#159926 Mar 13, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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Science is a method.
....
I am continually amazed at the ignorance of godbot.

Science is not a method. It is in fact the study of of nature.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#159927 Mar 13, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>Yes

Interesting as the R C church seems organized.

The outcome on Tuesday was expected, since all 115 of the cardinals are theoretically candidates, and the winner must receive two-thirds, or 77, of the votes. In past modern conclaves, the first ballot essentially served as a primary, with a number of cardinals emerging as leading vote-getters. Subsequent rounds made clear where the votes were flowing. The smoke will be white when a pope is elected. The schedule calls for two rounds of voting in the morning and two in the evening, as needed.
I guess the holy spook is a lousy communicator.
Lincoln

United States

#159928 Mar 13, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
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I am continually amazed at the ignorance of godbot.
Science is not a method. It is in fact the study of of nature.
"study of of nature", Study of English next :-)
Many definition of science.
Imhotep

Trenton, FL

#159929 Mar 13, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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I guess the holy spook is a lousy communicator.
Vatican is sequestered.
Cardinals running amok

Black smoke followed by red smoke from tandoori oven. No Poop. Err Pope yet

85% of world giggles
Thinking

Winsford, UK

#159930 Mar 13, 2013
The black smoke is caused by burning a choirboy.
Only when the old guys have run out of choirboys will they flip coins for the next pope. For this, they use 30 pieces of silver.
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Vatican is sequestered.
Cardinals running amok
Black smoke followed by red smoke from tandoori oven. No Poop. Err Pope yet
85% of world giggles
Thinking

Winsford, UK

#159931 Mar 13, 2013
Espresso Girl.

She serves all the passengers a really strong coffee before disappearing. The bus becomes more tetchy, with hilarious consequences.
River Tam wrote:
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I've been trying to come up with new Super Heros.
Scenario. A School bus is perched precariously on the edge of a bridge. People are gathered around. Hand wringing ensues. In the midst of the chaos, in flies:
Depresso Girl.
She surveys the situation and says, "Ummmm, I really don't feel like dealing with this today. I'll try to swing by tomorrow".
Same scenario. In flies:
Bath Salts Girl.
She surveys the situation, rips off her costume, shakes her naked fist at the sky, yells something unintelligible, laughs hysterically and flies off.
I'm still working out the wrinkles.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#159932 Mar 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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"No it isn't what is said.
That is what you say, in fact you wont find any reference by a cosmologist or astrophysicist saying,
In the beginning was nothing,..and it exploded.
That is your stupid line, which btw reflects the mentality of someone like you."
Your earlier post.
Can it be assumed then those scientists say there was something?
Would that be evidence?
An honest scientists will say that we simply do not know what happened before about 10^(-11) seconds into the current expansion. There are several possibilities, but not enough evidence to distinguish between those possibilities. None will say 'there was nothing and nothing exploded' because that isn't even an accurate description of the non-quantum version.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#159933 Mar 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Amusing.
You can take the most primitive living people there are and they look out and realize something created all of this. Something way past their power and understanding. They live their lives and do their thing with this certainty.
It takes a Topix atheist going to school and being taught they are just glorified pieces of stellar poopy to deny such a higher creative intelligence. But now they are smart and superior because they were taught that. By other men. With no real proof. Just imaginings and couldabeens.
Amazing, the intellectual heights some can reach if they don't try thinking on their own.
And I see what you said as exactly backwards. The most primitive people are also the most superstitious and most likely to assign personalities to objects that are not alive. Because of this, they invent an intelligent creator.

It is only after we learn how the universe actually works that we realize both that there is no need for a creator to explain the universe and that there is no actual evidence for such a creator.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#159934 Mar 13, 2013
bohart wrote:
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No your a dumbass, I suppose you could teach a class in dumbassology since you possess a masters degree in it.
P.S. there is no observable data for a natural cause for the universe.
\

There is no observable data for a cause of the universe at all.
Lincoln

United States

#159935 Mar 13, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Vatican is sequestered.
Cardinals running amok
Black smoke followed by red smoke from tandoori oven. No Poop. Err Pope yet
85% of world giggles
Flatbush Zombies and the Underachievers are two New York rap duos who make wiggy, expressive versions of the grimy ’90s rap they grew up on, and both of them have earned our Mixtape Of The Week designation in the past year — Flatbush Zombies for D.R.U.G.S. and, more recently, the Underachievers for Indigoism.

And today, both groups team up for a guttural banger called “No Religion.

Atheist Rap their own Vatican conclave
Imhotep

Trenton, FL

#159936 Mar 13, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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Flatbush Zombies and the Underachievers are two New York rap duos who make wiggy, expressive versions of the grimy ’90s rap they grew up on, and both of them have earned our Mixtape Of The Week designation in the past year — Flatbush Zombies for D.R.U.G.S. and, more recently, the Underachievers for Indigoism.
And today, both groups team up for a guttural banger called “No Religion.
Atheist Rap their own Vatican conclave
http://touch.dailymotion.com/video/xe4g4w_jes...
Lincoln

United States

#159937 Mar 13, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
Christopher Eric Hitchens RIP
Imhotep

Trenton, FL

#159938 Mar 13, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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Christopher Eric Hitchens RIP
Hitch...

"Voltaire was simply ludicrous when he said that if god did not exist it would be necessary to invent him. The human invention of god is the problem to begin with.

Islam makes very large claims for itself. In its art, there is a prejudice against representing the human form at all. The prohibition on picturing the prophet – who was only another male mammal – is apparently absolute. So is the prohibition on pork or alcohol or, in some Muslim societies, music or dancing. Very well then, let a good Muslim abstain rigorously from all these. But if he claims the right to make me abstain as well, he offers the clearest possible warning and proof of an aggressive intent.

The Bible contains a warrant for trafficking in humans, for ethnic cleansing, for slavery, for bride-price, and for indiscriminate massacre, but we are not bound by any of it because it was put together by crude, uncultured goat herders.

Religious exhortation and telling people, telling children, that if they don’t do the right thing, they’ll go to terrifying punishments or unbelievable rewards, that’s making a living out of lying to children. That’s what the priesthood do. And if all they did was lie to the children, it would be bad enough. But they rape them and torture them and then hope we’ll call it ‘abuse’.

Religion is man-made. Even the men who made it cannot agree on what their prophets or redeemers or gurus actually said or did.

Everything about Christianity is contained in the pathetic image of 'the flock.

Judaism has some advantages over Christianity in that, for example, it does not proselytise — except among Jews — and it does not make the cretinous mistake of saying that the Messiah has already made his appearance. However, along with Islam and Christianity, it does insist that some turgid and contradictory and sometimes evil and mad texts, obviously written by fairly unexceptional humans, are in fact the word of god. I think that the indispensable condition of any intellectual liberty is the realisation that there is no such thing.

Faith is the surrender of the mind; it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other mammals.

It's our need to believe, and to surrender our scepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me.

Of all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated."
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#159939 Mar 13, 2013
Pure Genius wrote:
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You want to get schooled again?
You claimed science can detect anything/4194everything, you still holding to that?
If it is part of the naturalistic realm then yes, sconce can detect it....your turn!!!

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#159940 Mar 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are angry and reactive, and not as objective as you would like to be.
BTW, flying bugs, fish, and porpoises would make better 3D programmers than you.:-)
I am as objective as I need to be and I am in no way angry. Just because what I say upsets your “god given” tactlessness does not mean I am angry, it simply means that you are unable to cope with the reality that other people don’t live in davesworld.

BTW, I am not a 3D programmer I’m a 3d artist so your guesswork is nothing more than typical davesworld guesswork. However I do employ 3 3D programmers if you think you have anything to offer about simulating 3D vectors in a 2D environment or matrix-matrix multiplication I’m sure they would be interested.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#159941 Mar 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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HA HA HA !!!!
" When they saw a picture of their loved one specific areas of the brain became active, suggesting that there is a specialised system in the brain relating to romantic love."
IOW - "Something is happening in the brain when people are in love."
No shit, Sherlock.
But they can't tell what or why.
That was not what you asked you moron. You said it cannot be measured by science and I showed you that it can. I see you have grown up a bit since our first argument and got into changing parameters of your argument after then fact, another good fundy ply you have picked up eh?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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HA HA HA !!!
"While the star itself is too small to be directly observed"
They can't observe it, but they sure do "suggest" everything it's doing.....
What a load of crap.
Why are you cherry picking one part sentence in three whole documents. Let me continue where you ignorantly and mockingly left off
“While the star itself is too small to be directly observed, the proto-planetary dust cloud accompanying it is being disrupted on the way, and it is this debris that the researchers were able to detect”

If that’s all to have to show your ignorance then I am not surprised at you ignorance
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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HA HA HA !!!!
"Dark matter is likely to be composed of one or more species of sub-atomic particles that interact very weakly with ordinary matter. Particle physicists have many plausible candidates for the dark matter, and new particle accelerator experiments are likely to bring new insight in the coming years."
Plausible likelihoodness is NOT fact.
But you fall for it. Hook, line & sinker.....
Again, you are changing your argument after the fact. The argument was not what it was composed of but whether it exists. There is now no doubt that it exists. What it comprises of is up for discussion.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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HA HA HA !!!
"Astronomers can then use this gravitational imprint to calculate the size of the matter that caused it. Using such techniques, astronomers estimate that dark matter forms web-like structures, made up of clusters, filaments, and large rope-like structures that the new research has uncovered. But only until dark matter becomes visible will these assumptions become fact."
Even your own link admits that dark matter is an assumed theory.
It is not fact.
My own link admits that dark matter exists, they “estimate that dark matter forms web-like structures, made up of clusters, filaments, and large rope-like structures” based on the fact that “new research has uncovered” such structures.

You are misrepresenting the article (as expected) the assumptions discussed are the structure of dark matter, not the existence. We presuppose form this (and several previous such occurrences) that you are comfortable lying for you belief

So if all you can do is mock as yet unresolved ideas that have grown from the fact that black holes and dark matter can be detected (as you requested proof and I supplied it) then we can assume you ignorance is deliberate and there is no point in continuing

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#159942 Mar 13, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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which of course means You do not have an answer :-)
Ask a “sensible” question without childish overtones, I may not have an answer that suites your sensibilities but I will probably have an answer

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#159943 Mar 13, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
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Science? You dare to question a Xtian about science? <smirk>
They have already failed LOGIC 101, REASON 101, and COMMON SENSE 101!
1+1+1=1 So it is written... LOL
Yes I needed as giggle so I questioned and laughed at his pathetic, cherry picking and misrepresenting to the point of irrelevance replies

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#159944 Mar 13, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I am as objective as I need to be and I am in no way angry. Just because what I say upsets your “god given” tactlessness does not mean I am angry, it simply means that you are unable to cope with the reality that other people don’t live in davesworld.
BTW, I am not a 3D programmer I’m a 3d artist so your guesswork is nothing more than typical davesworld guesswork. However I do employ 3 3D programmers if you think you have anything to offer about simulating 3D vectors in a 2D environment or matrix-matrix multiplication I’m sure they would be interested.
Has anyone ever called you a shrew?
Thinking

Winsford, UK

#159945 Mar 13, 2013
Why would you try and supply someone with a shrew over the phone?
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Has anyone ever called you a shrew?

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