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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Ditat Deus”

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#159562 Mar 11, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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I have checked the information there, it is valid.
Oh...

You checked it...

Well then.

Of course it's valid, but it was all written AFTER the stories of Jesus were written.

It's a copy. Just as much as Islam is.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#159563 Mar 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Here is an interesting article on Mithras and Jesus. They seem to have been in parallel.
http://www.viewzone.com/mithras.html
As it is, I don't go by the records or accounts of events, but by the messages in them.
Interesting.

That these atheists think that because Christianity took over pagan holiday dates to squash them out, that means they're copies of the same pagan holiday.

Ugh.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#159564 Mar 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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But his influence is still felt far and wide.
Can't say the same for your great grandparents.
Or my grandparents.

Of course, nobody was ever burned at the stake for not listening to them.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#159565 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Your welcome.

He's still dead.

So is Michael Jackson.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#159566 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh...
You checked it...
Well then.
Of course it's valid, but it was all written AFTER the stories of Jesus were written.
It's a copy. Just as much as Islam is.
Um, first of all, "checked" in your world must mean "read," yes I did read it, I also verified the information by crosschecking with other sources, that's what "checking it" means in the real world.

Second, nope, all of them were written long before your Jesus myth was even considered for being written.
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#159567 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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LMFAO!
A Pagan website?!? That's your "source"???
Did you bother to check on when Mithraism was? No?
'twas after Jesus, after Christianity. In the 2nd & 3rd century AD. And it was just a Greco-Roman paganist cult.
Maybe a copy?
Naaaaaawww......
Wow!

Whenever I think you might have one working brain cell you fall into the abyss of ignorance again.

It is you that failed to check on MITHRAS.
FAITH has corrupted your mind. Facts are abandoned for fantasy.

How about I throw more facts at you. Google them!

I have nothing to hide... why are you hiding from the truth?

Mithraism hit Rome in the first century BC as the Mithraic cult fled Persia. Here it flourished as the Sun God Natalis Solis Invicti. The leader of this religion ruled from what is now Vatican hill, which is a place previously sacred to Mithras. This male leader was called Papa (which is how we get the word “Pope”). Books in honor of Mithras were called “Helio Biblia,” which translates to us as either “Sun Book” or “Holy Bible.”

But hang on!

Before Mithras there was Krishna in India, circa 1200 BC. Krishna was born of the Virgin Mother Devaki after being visited by spirits to announce the impending birth of an immaculately conceived child who is God’s Sun and the “son of God.” His birth was attended by wise men, as well as shepherds. Krishna was presented at birth with frankincense, myrrh, and gold. Krishna worked miracles, restored sight, cast out devils, and raised the dead.

Many hundreds of years before both Mithras AND Jesus, Krishna was baptised in the River Ganges, crucified between two thieves, died, buried, and resurrected in three days and worshipped as the “saviour of men.” He proclaimed himself the “Resurrection” and the “way to the Father.”

He was said to be without sin, of royal descent, and raised by a human father that was ... a carpenter. He preached of a great and final day of judgment and used parables to teach the people about charity and love. In death he stood transfigured in front of his disciples. Krishna was called the ”Shepherd God”,“Lord of lords”,“the Redeemer,” and the “Universal Word.” He was considered,“Alpha and Omega” as well as being omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent.

He was prophesised to return to battle evil forces in a second coming. His disciples bestowed on him a word that means “pure essence.” That word is “Jezeus.”

But, oh no! That’s not all!

Thousands of years before Krishna, Mithras, and Jesus is the sun god Horus.

Horus goes back to Egypt circa 3000 BC. Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men. In the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis. Horus taught in the temple when he was a child. He was baptised when he was 30 years old by “Anup the Baptiser.”

Horus performed miracles and raised a man named El-Azar-us, from the dead. Not only did Horus walk on water, he was also crucified, buried in a tomb, and then resurrected.

Horus was known as “the Way,”“the Fisher,”“the Truth,”“the Light,”“God’s Anointed Son,”“the Son of Man,”“the Good Shepherd,”“the Lamb of God,” and “the Word.” He was also was called “the KRST,” or “Anointed One.”(It is worth noting here that Christos means anointed in Greek.)

There was a trinity with Horus: Atum the Father and Ra the Holy Spirit. Add Horus and we have the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In the later years of Horus, he had 12 disciples known as Har-Khuttie. Horus had an enemy (originally this was also the dark side of Horus, or his other face).

This evil enemy was “Set” or “Sata.” Horus struggles with Sata for 40 days in the wilderness. Some claim that this myth represents the triumph of light over dark. This triumph is most noted on December 25.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#159568 Mar 11, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
Your welcome.
He's still dead.
So is Michael Jackson.
How do you know that Jesus is "still dead"?

Are you too arrogant to admit that is your opinion?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#159569 Mar 11, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, first of all, "checked" in your world must mean "read," yes I did read it, I also verified the information by crosschecking with other sources, that's what "checking it" means in the real world.
Second, nope, all of them were written long before your Jesus myth was even considered for being written.
Keep... Oh shit, what do you call it?

...

Reading!

Keep reading!

"Mithraism is frequently said to have been a great rival to early Christianity, especially in popular books written by non-specialists. According to most academic sources, however, the archaeological evidence does not support this claim."

www.religionfacts.com/greco-roman/sects/mithr...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#159570 Mar 11, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow!
Whenever I think you might have one working brain cell you fall into the abyss of ignorance again.
It is you that failed to check on MITHRAS.
FAITH has corrupted your mind. Facts are abandoned for fantasy.
How about I throw more facts at you. Google them!
I have nothing to hide... why are you hiding from the truth?
Mithraism hit Rome in the first century BC as the Mithraic cult fled Persia. Here it flourished as the Sun God Natalis Solis Invicti. The leader of this religion ruled from what is now Vatican hill, which is a place previously sacred to Mithras. This male leader was called Papa (which is how we get the word “Pope”). Books in honor of Mithras were called “Helio Biblia,” which translates to us as either “Sun Book” or “Holy Bible.”
But hang on!
Before Mithras there was Krishna in India, circa 1200 BC. Krishna was born of the Virgin Mother Devaki after being visited by spirits to announce the impending birth of an immaculately conceived child who is God’s Sun and the “son of God.” His birth was attended by wise men, as well as shepherds. Krishna was presented at birth with frankincense, myrrh, and gold. Krishna worked miracles, restored sight, cast out devils, and raised the dead.
Many hundreds of years before both Mithras AND Jesus, Krishna was baptised in the River Ganges, crucified between two thieves, died, buried, and resurrected in three days and worshipped as the “saviour of men.” He proclaimed himself the “Resurrection” and the “way to the Father.”
He was said to be without sin, of royal descent, and raised by a human father that was ... a carpenter. He preached of a great and final day of judgment and used parables to teach the people about charity and love. In death he stood transfigured in front of his disciples. Krishna was called the ”Shepherd God”,“Lord of lords”,“the Redeemer,” and the “Universal Word.” He was considered,“Alpha and Omega” as well as being omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent.
He was prophesised to return to battle evil forces in a second coming. His disciples bestowed on him a word that means “pure essence.” That word is “Jezeus.”
But, oh no! That’s not all!
Thousands of years before Krishna, Mithras, and Jesus is the sun god Horus.
Horus goes back to Egypt circa 3000 BC. Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men. In the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis. Horus taught in the temple when he was a child. He was baptised when he was 30 years old by “Anup the Baptiser.”
Horus performed miracles and raised a man named El-Azar-us, from the dead. Not only did Horus walk on water, he was also crucified, buried in a tomb, and then resurrected.
Horus was known as “the Way,”“the Fisher,”“the Truth,”“the Light,”“God’s Anointed Son,”“the Son of Man,”“the Good Shepherd,”“the Lamb of God,” and “the Word.” He was also was called “the KRST,” or “Anointed One.”(It is worth noting here that Christos means anointed in Greek.)
There was a trinity with Horus: Atum the Father and Ra the Holy Spirit. Add Horus and we have the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In the later years of Horus, he had 12 disciples known as Har-Khuttie. Horus had an enemy (originally this was also the dark side of Horus, or his other face).
This evil enemy was “Set” or “Sata.” Horus struggles with Sata for 40 days in the wilderness. Some claim that this myth represents the triumph of light over dark. This triumph is most noted on December 25.
Neat.

Did you get all that from evilbible.com or something? Or did you pull it out of your ass?(same thing)
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#159571 Mar 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Amusing.
You get so passionate about this.
I read the stories and understand the meanings. Doesn't mean I become a follower or adherent to a religion. Just lends to an understanding of a larger process you can't even comprehend.
I am really a kind of dispassionate observer. Seriously.
Get in touch with yourself and you may be less reactive.
Mocking you're inane posts is a pleasure David. ;)

I am passionate about life and fascinated with religious loony tunes - especially the ones that haunt atheist forums.

They are unintentionally hilarious and worthy of a good belly laugh at times.

I must consult my BuyBull for inspiration :)

Child Abuse?
"Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!"
-- Psalm 137.9.

Did Jesus lie or was it John?
" Very truly, I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father."
--John 14.12

Ignorant or lying angel?
"The Lord God shall give him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever and of his kingdom there shall be no end." – Luke 1.32.33.
Hmm. Did Jesus ever get to reign over the house of Jacob?

Obedient slaves are righteous
"Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves ... obedience leads to righteousness?"
– Romans 6.16.

Simple-minded
"I am jealous over you ... I fear your minds be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."
– 2 Corinthians 11.2-3.
"I form the light, and create darkness. I make peace, and create EVIL. I the LORD do all these things."
– Isaiah 45.7.

Puerile God
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces."
– Malachi 2.2,3.

Making "every thought captive."
"For the weapons of our warfare are casting down imaginations ... and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ."
– St Paul, 2 Corinthians 10.4,5.

The cost to humanity of fifteen centuries of Christian savagery – of hundreds of millions of lives brutalised and truncated, sacrificed to war, torture, pogrom, burning, pestilence and plague – is incalculable.

Christianity is the worst disaster in human history.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#159572 Mar 11, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Mocking you're inane posts is a pleasure David. ;)
I am passionate about life and fascinated with religious loony tunes - especially the ones that haunt atheist forums.
They are unintentionally hilarious and worthy of a good belly laugh at times.
I must consult my BuyBull for inspiration :)
Child Abuse?
"Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!"

{edit}

Christianity is the worst disaster in human history.
When read by ignorant morons like you, yes.

It's people like you that misread the Bible. It's people like you that started the Crusades.

Study the Bible, son. Don't just read it.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#159573 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you know that Jesus is "still dead"?
Are you too arrogant to admit that is your opinion?
Define: dead

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#159574 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Keep... Oh shit, what do you call it?
...
Reading!
Keep reading!
"Mithraism is frequently said to have been a great rival to early Christianity, especially in popular books written by non-specialists. According to most academic sources, however, the archaeological evidence does not support this claim."
www.religionfacts.com/greco-roman/sects/mithr...
That doesn't mean "it was written after" ... does it?

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#159575 Mar 11, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Mocking you're inane posts is a pleasure David. ;)
I am passionate about life and fascinated with religious loony tunes - especially the ones that haunt atheist forums.
They are unintentionally hilarious and worthy of a good belly laugh at times.
I must consult my BuyBull for inspiration :)
Child Abuse?
"Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!"
-- Psalm 137.9.
Did Jesus lie or was it John?
" Very truly, I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father."
--John 14.12
Ignorant or lying angel?
"The Lord God shall give him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever and of his kingdom there shall be no end." – Luke 1.32.33.
Hmm. Did Jesus ever get to reign over the house of Jacob?
Obedient slaves are righteous
"Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves ... obedience leads to righteousness?"
– Romans 6.16.
Simple-minded
"I am jealous over you ... I fear your minds be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."
– 2 Corinthians 11.2-3.
"I form the light, and create darkness. I make peace, and create EVIL. I the LORD do all these things."
– Isaiah 45.7.
Puerile God
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces."
– Malachi 2.2,3.
Making "every thought captive."
"For the weapons of our warfare are casting down imaginations ... and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ."
– St Paul, 2 Corinthians 10.4,5.
The cost to humanity of fifteen centuries of Christian savagery – of hundreds of millions of lives brutalised and truncated, sacrificed to war, torture, pogrom, burning, pestilence and plague – is incalculable.
Christianity is the worst disaster in human history.
You are way too simple minded to be an intellectual or a scholar. Such is revealed in your giggles and rushes to be certain of things.

However, if it makes you feel intelligent, that's fine. It entertains those that aren't so simple minded. You are no threat to their world, really. Just an entertaining diversion.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#159576 Mar 11, 2013
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/...

Hokay. I posted an article about the DHS buying 1.6 billion rounds of ammo earlier today. Then this shows up.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#159577 Mar 11, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Define: dead
Ugh...

http://lmgtfy.com/...

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#159578 Mar 11, 2013
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/03/11/res...

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Anza-Pa...

Catcher, if you drop off the radar suddenly, we will understand.

Uh, you might want to get right with God without too much hesitation soon.
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#159579 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
When read by ignorant morons like you, yes.
It's people like you that misread the Bible. It's people like you that started the Crusades.
Study the Bible, son. Don't just read it.
I did and you have not RR.

Want to test my knowledge vs yours of the OT or NT?
Pick ANY verse and I will find one that contradicts yours.

Most atheists have actually taken the time to read the stupid book you find so compelling.

What is there to misread?

Among God's curses on people who won't obey his commandments is the following: "And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee." (Deuteronomy 28:53)

Here we go again. Disgusting!

Since the Israelites were not supposed to "work" on the Sabbath day, a man who was caught picking up sticks (presumably for firewood, but who cares?) was ordered directly by God to be stoned to death.(Numbers 15:33-36) For another infraction there was another slaughter. "And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun." (Numbers 25:4) Heads. More heads. But not in baskets this time. I guess the severed heads were hung up on tree branches or something.(I may be ill.)

If a son is stubborn, rebellious, a glutton and a drunkard he shall be stoned to death.(Deuteronomy 21:20-21) "Witches" are to be stoned to death.(Leviticus 20:27) So witches really do exist - according to the Bible. Homosexuals must be murdered.(Leviticus 20:13) and (Romans 1:26¬32) You should beat your children with rods.(Proverbs 23:13,14) A king offers his oldest son as a "burnt offering." (2 Kings 3:27)

Two men who had displeased God were buried alive with their wives and little children.(Numbers 16:27-33) Men who plotted against Daniel are thrown into a lions' den along with their wives and children. The lions "broke all their bones in pieces." (Dan 6:24)

Whether as an allegory or not, a disgusting story is told about raping a woman to death: " The man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:25) Her "lord" finds her dead in the morning. "And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces." (Judges 19:29)

Would you read this story to your 12-year-old?

If a virgin is raped, the rapist must pay the now non-virginal girl's father "fifty shekels" and the girl must marry her rapist. So says the Bible.(Deuteronomy 22:28, 29) The daughter of any priest, who "profanes" him by being a whore, "shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)

The Bible is obsessed with hymens and whores. Not at all coincidentally, the Bible makes it seem like a woman can be a "whore" or lose her hymen, all by herself. Wicked woman! However, the usual hymen/whoring activities include men, 100% of the time.

Lot's two virginal daughters get him drunk and each sleeps with him to "preserve seed" of their father. No disapproval of the drunkenness and incest is even hinted at.(Genesis 19:32)

Jesus tells a parable about 10 virgins marrying the same groom on the same night.

He utters not one word of condemnation about such an obscene situation, but merely goes on about the lamps and the oil.

(Matthew 25) Women must keep silent and learn only from their husbands.(1 Corinthians 14:34,35) Women must "submit" to their husbands.(1 Timothy 2:11,12) Does that include wife-beaters? It appears to be all-inclusive. Women must peak to their husbands in fear.(1 Peter 3:1-7)

It's the 21st century... you know it is a myth.
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#159580 Mar 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are way too simple minded to be an intellectual or a scholar. Such is revealed in your giggles and rushes to be certain of things.
However, if it makes you feel intelligent, that's fine. It entertains those that aren't so simple minded. You are no threat to their world, really. Just an entertaining diversion.
People can't say that you have absolutely nothing - After all, you have inferiority in spades.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#159581 Mar 11, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
If a son is stubborn, rebellious, a glutton and a drunkard he shall be stoned to death.(Deuteronomy 21:20-21) "Witches" are to be stoned to death.(Leviticus 20:27) So witches really do exist - according to the Bible. Homosexuals must be murdered.(Leviticus 20:13) and (Romans 1:26¬32) You should beat your children with rods.(Proverbs 23:13,14) A king offers his oldest son as a "burnt offering." (2 Kings 3:27)
Feel better?

All you're doing is misrepresenting each verse & taking it out of context.

You're displaying intellectual dishonesty.

Why?

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