Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“Ditat Deus”

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#158966 Mar 7, 2013
Leave bigotry in your quarters; there's no room for it on the bridge.
Kirk in 'Balance of Terror'

"No more blah, blah, blah!
Kirk in 'Miri'

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#158967 Mar 7, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Right, so now what? Do we take all the cultures of the world and find a happy medium?
I'd say no. We haev our own culture and our culture has defined what is male and female and what attributes each gender has or is "supposed to" have.
No, I see no necessity to get some kind of homogenized universal agreement on gender. That would never happen anyway, nor should it. My point is that it's important to remember that gender is very subjective. And how our own culture (American? West-coast specifically?) defines gender has changed a great deal and will continue to do so. You've often made comments about the roles you think men and women should have, though I don't know how facetious you were being.

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#158970 Mar 7, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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No, I see no necessity to get some kind of homogenized universal agreement on gender. That would never happen anyway, nor should it. My point is that it's important to remember that gender is very subjective. And how our own culture (American? West-coast specifically?) defines gender has changed a great deal and will continue to do so. You've often made comments about the roles you think men and women should have, though I don't know how facetious you were being.
Gender role models may have changed a little in San Fran, but y'all do shit weird up there. It's like a free-for-all.

Down here in SoCal, genders are quite different - as are the roles.

Homosexuals don't get to change what is considered male & female, wilder. And I see no reason why you'd want that or advocate it. Do you want a manly man or a womanly man? You don't want to answer, you just want a man.

Genders & gender roles don't work that way.
KJV

United States

#158971 Mar 7, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Leave bigotry in your quarters; there's no room for it on the bridge.
Kirk in 'Balance of Terror'

"No more blah, blah, blah!
Kirk in 'Miri'
Even vyger knew there was a creator.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#158972 Mar 7, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Gender role models may have changed a little in San Fran, but y'all do shit weird up there. It's like a free-for-all.
Down here in SoCal, genders are quite different - as are the roles.
Homosexuals don't get to change what is considered male & female, wilder. And I see no reason why you'd want that or advocate it. Do you want a manly man or a womanly man? You don't want to answer, you just want a man.
Genders & gender roles don't work that way.
I've pretty clearly stated that I'm not advocating anything in this regard, except perhaps that I want people to be able to honestly express who they are. If you feel more secure surrounding yourself with people who "act" a certain way, then feel free to do so. I don't want to live life on a stage with actors performing roles; I prefer reality. There seems to be a continuing theme with you where you are afraid that if people are allowed to vary from certain rigidly defined parameters, chaos will be the result. That is not necessarily true. In fact, if you allow people more leeway, I've found often that people are more relaxed and happier in general. But I can see why religion appeals to you that way. It tells you what to think, say, and do, and more importantly, gives you a platform for dictating to *others* what *they* can think, say, and do.

“Ditat Deus”

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#158973 Mar 7, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Jimmy cracks corn. What else is there. LOL
I don't care?

Stupid corn.

“Ditat Deus”

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#158974 Mar 7, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Even vyger knew there was a creator.
Dude!

It's "VGER"....
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#158975 Mar 7, 2013
Why did the Chechen cross the road?
Because the Russian soldiers were shooting at it.
Catcher1 wrote:
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To get to the other side?

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#158976 Mar 7, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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I've pretty clearly stated that I'm not advocating anything in this regard, except perhaps that I want people to be able to honestly express who they are. If you feel more secure surrounding yourself with people who "act" a certain way, then feel free to do so. I don't want to live life on a stage with actors performing roles; I prefer reality. There seems to be a continuing theme with you where you are afraid that if people are allowed to vary from certain rigidly defined parameters, chaos will be the result. That is not necessarily true. In fact, if you allow people more leeway, I've found often that people are more relaxed and happier in general. But I can see why religion appeals to you that way. It tells you what to think, say, and do, and more importantly, gives you a platform for dictating to *others* what *they* can think, say, and do.
You've got me all wrong, man. I'm not even attempting to tell anyone how they should live. You're getting off track.

I agree with you that people should be able to feel free to express themselves as they see fit.

I do not agree that those people should try to change the way we define gender roles to help their expressive feelings.

If a man want to act & feel manly, so what?

I turn, if a man want to act & feel womanly, so what?

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#158977 Mar 7, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I do not agree that those people should try to change the way we define gender roles to help their expressive feelings.
OK, I'm trying to figure this out. Who is the "we" who defines gender roles for others?
KJV

United States

#158978 Mar 7, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>I don't care?

Stupid corn.
:)

“Ditat Deus”

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#158979 Mar 7, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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OK, I'm trying to figure this out. Who is the "we" who defines gender roles for others?
We, the public, the made, the hordes....

It's caused due to biological and physiological differences of men and women.

Now I'm no anti-gay or homophobe, but no matter how much the gays want to intermingle the genders, it's not gonna happen.
KJV

United States

#158980 Mar 7, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Dude!

It's "VGER"....
You know I was not sure so I googled it and found the first 3 all said Vyger.
I did think it was Vger also but didn't want to get ripped so I looked it up. Sometimes ya can't win. LOL

http://doesgodexist.multiply.com/notes/item/3...

http://m.ciao.co.uk/Star_Trek_The_Motion_Pict...

http://www.startrek.com/boards-topic/33332634...

“Ditat Deus”

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#158981 Mar 7, 2013
Not "the made" - "the masses"...

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#158982 Mar 7, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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We, the public, the made, the hordes....
It's caused due to biological and physiological differences of men and women.
Now I'm no anti-gay or homophobe, but no matter how much the gays want to intermingle the genders, it's not gonna happen.
Who said gay people want to intermingle genders? I've never heard that before.

Also, where do you get this idea that the public universally agrees on what is masculine or feminine? And what public are you talking about? The US? California? The world? Who?

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#158983 Mar 7, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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You wish you were having sex.
Donkey punch is a slang term for a fictitious sexual practice supposedly performed during doggy style sex, particularly anal sex. The purported practice involves the penetrating partner punching the receiving partner on the back of the head or in the lower back to make the receiving partner's anal or vaginal passage tense up, thus increasing the pleasure of the penetrative partner.[1][2] In fact, there is no reflex in humans that would cause such tensing in response to a blow on the head, although striking a partner on the back of the neck or head could cause severe, even lethal injury.[3]
Some things people do are just evil!!

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#158984 Mar 7, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Never mind.
That was too explicate for your virgin eyes.
Back to shutes n ladders!
Yep, u hit the nail on the head this time!!

U know i'm sure that Dave, Aura, Tide and u do not speak the same language I do! U all speak different languages!!

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#158985 Mar 7, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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We, the public, the made, the hordes....
It's caused due to biological and physiological differences of men and women.
Now I'm no anti-gay or homophobe, but no matter how much the gays want to intermingle the genders, it's not gonna happen.
It seems to me what you are saying is: you have certain stereotypes about masculinity and femininity, and you don't like people who don't fit your definitions. And you especially don't like that some gay people don't conform to your ideas about men and women.

Assuming that I'm reasonably correct, it seems to me that people who don't fit in your box don't threaten you. You are free to have your perspectives, and other people are free to be who they are, and you can like it or not, just as others can approve of your views or not.

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#158986 Mar 7, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It's sexist to be a guy?
It's sexist for future to be a guy, silly!!

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#158987 Mar 7, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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They were clever and patient people with lots of time on their hands.
So evolution has gone the wrong way then?

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