Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
CunningLinguist

Hernando, FL

#158464 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you ever designed a disease-causing microbe?
Do you know someone who has?
If so, did it require intelligence?
You are a moron. Thus, I predict you will not design anything.
Unfortunately there is no vaccine for stupidity and in your case the wheel is still spinning but the hamster died long ago.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#158465 Mar 4, 2013
Jimmy wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are religious people so obviously stupid?
Because their religion elevates stupid, making it seem like a good thing, so they latch onto the religion because they know they are stupid and couldn't find acceptance in anything else because of that.
CunningLinguist

Hernando, FL

#158466 Mar 4, 2013
Jimmy wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are religious people so obviously stupid?
Their problem is simply RELIGION aka Organized Superstition.
Some are literally obsessed with it.

The Christian view that all intercourse outside marriage is immoral was based upon the view that all sexual intercourse, even within marriage, is regrettable.

A view of this sort, which goes against biological facts, can only be regarded by some people as a morbid aberration. The fact that it is embedded in Christian ethics has made Christianity throughout its whole history a force tending towards mental disorders and unwholesome views of life.

The Church had devastating impact upon society. As the Church assumed leadership, activity in the fields of medicine, technology, science, education, history, art and commerce all but collapsed.

Technology disappeared and the Church became the most cohesive power in Western society. The extensive aqueduct and plumbing systems vanished.

Orthodox Christians taught that all aspects of the flesh should be reviled and therefore discouraged washing as much as possible.

Toilets and indoor plumbing disappeared. Disease became commonplace as sanitation and hygiene deteriorated. For hundreds of years, towns and villages were decimated by epidemics.

Europe entered the Dark Ages.

“Organised religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children.”
~Christopher Hitchens

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#158467 Mar 4, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
Please give me your objective evidence of how life began?
Again, the point you seem to be missing is that just because science is not omniscient doesn't mean it's wrong about what it does know. And religion doesn't "know" anything, it's all made-up mythology. I'll take science any day over superstition. If you want the latter, you are welcome to it.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#158468 Mar 4, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
All I can say there is a following among theologians that believe, the Great Wh*re to be a power influential Church with a troubled history as described in Revelation 17.
You don’t have to believe it. I’m just sharing with you the thought of what many to believe is the Great Wh*re in Revelation 17.
Well, again, that just highlights the dangers of clinging to an ideology that is not founded in objective evidence. How can you prove or disprove what that passage in Revelation says? It ultimately comes down not to facts, but what everyone agrees is the most pleasing to them.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#158469 Mar 4, 2013
Jimmy wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are religious people so obviously stupid?
Not all religious people r stupid and not all atheists are intelligent!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#158470 Mar 4, 2013
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
Not all religious people r stupid and not all atheists are intelligent!
True.

But Fundamentalism of any kind does sorta tend in that direction.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#158471 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't really know how to define evolution, do you?
i have, dozens of times, you're apparently just to stupid to understand. Pitiful, really pitiful.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#158472 Mar 4, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>True.
But Fundamentalism of any kind does sorta tend in that direction.
Yh, but we got too many crazy nuts in all directions!

Religious people who don't truly understand their religion are the nutters, but the thing is that MOST religious people don't understand, so that's why we got too many nuts in religion. But i still think they will always be nuts even if they give up PRETENDING to be religious. I think some people r just born with it!!
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#158473 Mar 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Great, got it.
Now who is the mason that puts all the "blocks" together?
Amino acids made of atoms; carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen, some even have sulfur.
They are combinedby way of peptide bonds to form proteins.
But what good are amino acids without the help of nucleic acids?
In turn, what good are nucleic acids without amino acids?
Both are needed to have life as we know it.
Both are more complex than you can hope to understand.
And you think they are just random occurances?
Silly boy.
Make me a sammich.
No, they're obviously more complex than YOU can understand. "It's too complex and I can't understand it so it must have been made by my invisible god thingy." he whines!!!! Science is just a little bit ahead of you here, they actually understand things that you remain credulous over.

Nothing "random" about it. They combine in a very complex and exacting fashion. Either that or a magical being scooped up some dirt and blew on it and out popped a fully formed male.....hummmm tough choice here, but since I refuse to believe in magic, I'll take complex chemicals mixing in just the right environment, especially since many of those elements are what make up all stars. A star exploded, and strews its essence into the universe, over and over again, and you think life began with a scoop of dirt....REALLY NOW!!!!! HUMMMM
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#158474 Mar 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Dude.....
"at least smart enough no to question me" ?!?
O_o
"goods for you" ?!?!???
'_'
And YOU are calling ME stupid?
Kettle, meet pot. You are both black.
"smart enough NO to question you.....really!!!

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#158475 Mar 4, 2013
Indeed.

Btw just finished watching the Hitchcock movie, The Rope. It was filmed with only 10 cuts when they were forced to because of camera limitations. The camera seems to become you as an unseen actor. It happens in real time after a murder. If anyone hasn't seen it certainly give it a watch.

It's genius in it's subtle simplicity yet the suspense builds each moment. Hitchcock was truly ahead of his time.
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Sarcasm with style!
Using the old saying, "What you don't know can't hurt you," he's practically invulnerable.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#158476 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
That's not what you offered as the "fact of evolution".
Now you offer a new "fact of evolution".
See how it works? You offer your "fact"; it gets shot down, so you think of another one.
Natural selection cannot be both a "component" of evolution and at the same time be "evolution".
If natural selection is evolution, they are the same thing.
They are not.
Natural selection only means some of a population fail to survive, and others with a particular trait survive.
That involves NO EVOLUTION. It involves a population, a hostile environment, death, and then a population in which more members have the aforementioned trait.
No "evolution" happened there, unless you define evolution so loosely that it looses any identity.
And that is exactly what you want to do.
Oh I get it now, you're a TROLL.....wow, I never would have guessed. But given this last post, and the FACT that no one could be this stupid, leaves the only conclusion possible, you're a friggin troll. You not only pretend to NOT know what evolution is, but you now pretend to NOT know what a component is. Add to that your inability to understand how natural selection factors into the process of evolution, and we are left with either the most scientifically uneducated human on the face of the planet, or........a run of the mill troll, pick one!!!
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#158477 Mar 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
That was not a rebuttal.
That was just more shit talking.
Care to try again?
Maybe answer a question or two?
In all fairness, I've answered tons of your questions...
No, this a plea for you to educate yourself on the facts of evolution so we can at least have something on the verge of an intelligent conversation. Right now it alike having a dialog with a hard boiled egg!!

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158478 Mar 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>No, they're obviously more complex than YOU can understand. "It's too complex and I can't understand it so it must have been made by my invisible god thingy." he whines!!!! Science is just a little bit ahead of you here, they actually understand things that you remain credulous over.
Nothing "random" about it. They combine in a very complex and exacting fashion. Either that or a magical being scooped up some dirt and blew on it and out popped a fully formed male.....hummmm tough choice here, but since I refuse to believe in magic, I'll take complex chemicals mixing in just the right environment, especially since many of those elements are what make up all stars. A star exploded, and strews its essence into the universe, over and over again, and you think life began with a scoop of dirt....REALLY NOW!!!!! HUMMMM
You have a propensity to oversimplify things you wish were simple.

Tell me, since you are a temporary being, personality, experiencer of things, and future dust pile lost to history, just what does it add to your life experience "knowing" you are just a piece of stellar shit with no future, no past, no nothing but the right now? Anything you have done is already lost, they are just memories of yours that will expire when you do. Illusions.

Can you convey to us how that is better than our own illusions?
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#158479 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You are the one who proposed "the fact" of evolution being hereditary change over generations.
You assigned conjugation as evolution!
Don't blame someone else, you moron.
No, I did NOT assign conjugation as evolution, Reddick did. I simply responded. Brush up on your comprehension skills, they are important!

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158480 Mar 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Oh I get it now, you're a TROLL.....wow, I never would have guessed. But given this last post, and the FACT that no one could be this stupid, leaves the only conclusion possible, you're a friggin troll. You not only pretend to NOT know what evolution is, but you now pretend to NOT know what a component is. Add to that your inability to understand how natural selection factors into the process of evolution, and we are left with either the most scientifically uneducated human on the face of the planet, or........a run of the mill troll, pick one!!!
You aren't understanding the finer points of what evolution is.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#158481 Mar 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Your belief in science is well stated.
But when I read that a scientist like Theobald says "we're on the right track" makes me wonder his reasons. It makes me think of him as completely anti-God, and his "results" will undoubtedly confirm that.
I understand the concept of evolving, organisms changing, etc. But for any human to truly grasp the "billions of years" crap is hard to fathom. I see it a lot; Their best guess in 2013 is that the universe is 13.7 billion years old, give or take a few zeros.
Get real.
Fact is fact - unchanging.
Theory is theory - always changing.
You're kind of jumping to conclusions there - he didn't say he was an atheist or anti-god. I know lots of scientists who are also Christians. They just take a longer view than other Christians and tacitly assume God's plan involved abiogenesis and evolution. I suppose, if the universe is designed by your God (ha!- why not any of the others?), then the words should really be "apparent" abiogenesis.

RR, there are facts, yes, but our ability to understand them is not perfect. Facts, as you use the term, are phenomena left over from events in the past - the microwave background radiation from the Big Bang that we use to describe and study it, fossils, ancient rocks, etc. You know we get all of our understanding of Earth's early environment from ancient rocks?(and models based on predictions made in chemistry and physics).

So how good our science is at measuring, studying - even noticing - these "facts" is the limit of our ability to know the past.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#158482 Mar 4, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Their problem is simply RELIGION aka Organized Superstition.
Some are literally obsessed with it.
The Christian view that all intercourse outside marriage is immoral was based upon the view that all sexual intercourse, even within marriage, is regrettable.
A view of this sort, which goes against biological facts, can only be regarded by some people as a morbid aberration. The fact that it is embedded in Christian ethics has made Christianity throughout its whole history a force tending towards mental disorders and unwholesome views of life.
The Church had devastating impact upon society. As the Church assumed leadership, activity in the fields of medicine, technology, science, education, history, art and commerce all but collapsed.
Technology disappeared and the Church became the most cohesive power in Western society. The extensive aqueduct and plumbing systems vanished.
Orthodox Christians taught that all aspects of the flesh should be reviled and therefore discouraged washing as much as possible.
Toilets and indoor plumbing disappeared. Disease became commonplace as sanitation and hygiene deteriorated. For hundreds of years, towns and villages were decimated by epidemics.
Europe entered the Dark Ages.
“Organised religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children.”
~Christopher Hitchens
Good post, and Theists often ask, "What is the harm done by religion?"

"I'm against religion because it teaches you to be satisfied with NOT understanding the world around you."

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#158483 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
That's not what you offered as the "fact of evolution".
Now you offer a new "fact of evolution".
See how it works? You offer your "fact"; it gets shot down, so you think of another one.
Natural selection cannot be both a "component" of evolution and at the same time be "evolution".
If natural selection is evolution, they are the same thing.
They are not.
Natural selection only means some of a population fail to survive, and others with a particular trait survive.
That involves NO EVOLUTION. It involves a population, a hostile environment, death, and then a population in which more members have the aforementioned trait.
No "evolution" happened there, unless you define evolution so loosely that it looses any identity.
And that is exactly what you want to do.
If only some individuals in a population survive and they do so because of a trait they have, and that trait is passed onto their offspring, that is evolution, Buck.

I really can't see how you're denying that natural selection is an evolutionary process. It is the mechanism by which adaptation evolves.

Genetic drift doesn't produce adaptation. Gene flow rarely does. It's natural selection, baby, all the way.

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