Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
CunningLinguist

Hernando, FL

#158451 Mar 4, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Well if I was the designer I would probably know enter than to have my design suffer with bad ideas like wisdom teeth and an appendix to start with. The reproductive organs right by the christhole is probably a bad idea as well. Not to mention how fcked up the eye is!
Maybe the laughing stock of the world DI should rename it, ignorant design?
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ID?

Hmmm - what is intelligent about disease?

What created all of these and why?

For the Xtian believer, these strange events are nothing more than the mysterious ways of God. To a freethinker, the alleged phenomena are an indicative subset of the widespread superstitious beliefs held by our ancestors. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of ridiculous statements made by the authors of the Bible. Whether you enjoy reading about plumb lines or talking donkeys, the Xtian religion carries more than its fair share of absurdities. In fact, some of the biblical reports are illogical enough to disqualify explanations through supernatural means.

However, we still havenít fully covered the absurdity of Godís presence. Most poets, prophets, and historians certainly believed him to be a human-like personage. God shoots flames from his mouth and smoke from his nostrils like a dragon (Psalms 18:8).

God has eyes, ears, a nose, a mouth, a finger, a hand, a back, loins, and feet just to name a few of his physical human attributes.

Deuteronomy.

1st God doesnít want anyone to boil a young goat in its motherís milk (14:21). If youíre going to boil a young goat in milk, is it that much more deviant to do it in its motherís? Why is an eternal, omnipotent god concerned with such trivial and outdated matters?

This god also doesnít want you to plow a field with an ox and a donkey on the same yoke (22:10).

God gives no reason for this useless regulation. Instead of making certain that his holy word included clear abolishment of slavery so that millions of his creations wouldnít needlessly suffer, God decides to set foolish rules for plowing fields and boiling goats. This should provoke indignation from any moralistically reasonable person, regardless of religious conviction.

Read thy BuyBullô for more fun things.:-)

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#158452 Mar 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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And what's funny is that a main historical monument for Riverside is the Mission Inn. It's been there since 1876, it used to be a small hotel but became America's largest "Mission Revival Style" building and has had a lage Chapel in it since 1930.
The Mission Inn's bell logo is now the Riverside logo. The same people that built the Mission Inn erected that cross and the bell up on Mt Rubidoux.
Atheists love the Mission, but hate the cross....
I dont have a problem with crosses, they are good defense against vampires and such ...heheheh

No really wtf is the problem?

Since: May 10

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#158453 Mar 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I find it absolutely absurd that i have to educate a supposed educated adult, why is that? Yes hereditary changes in a population of MANY generation, like hundreds of thousands of generations, not just one, you phucking nitwit!!! Holy shit!!!! In terracing back your heritage, lets say 100,000 generations, you don't think that you are a little different from your grandfather 100,000 removed?
School is in session, Bucko...take your seat,m and NO fighting with your classmates.........Nobel laureate Francois Jacob has described evolution as a tinkerer, not an engineer. Engineers have a plan, they know where they are going--they have a plan, an aim. Tinkerers are just fastening parts together sticking this bit into that in an ongoing exploration of functional possibilities with no goal in mind. because resources are often scarce, organisms are always in competition with one another. In the endless battle, those individuals who happen to possess some slight advantage will flourish and pass along that advantage to their descendants. By this method, NEW species could be created, one imperfection at a time, but this process certainly was not going to happen quickly. Mostly natural selection is a plodders game. Sure, one individual might be taller or smarter or more long-lived than his peers, but no matter how beneficial the variation, EXTREMELY LONG stretches of time are required for it to spread across an ENTIRE POPULATION.
Antibiotic resistance IS an example of evolution, natural selection is one of the components of evolution. A segment of the bacterial population was NOT killed by the present antibiotic, it passed that resistance on to its descendants, they became more resistant and so on down the hereditary chain. Because bacteria reproduce so quickly, the hereditary change is much more rapid and pronounced.....Class is over for today......Bucko, your staying after for extra help.......you really need to study more!!!!! The rest of you can go!!!
That's not what you offered as the "fact of evolution".

Now you offer a new "fact of evolution".

See how it works? You offer your "fact"; it gets shot down, so you think of another one.

Natural selection cannot be both a "component" of evolution and at the same time be "evolution".

If natural selection is evolution, they are the same thing.

They are not.

Natural selection only means some of a population fail to survive, and others with a particular trait survive.

That involves NO EVOLUTION. It involves a population, a hostile environment, death, and then a population in which more members have the aforementioned trait.

No "evolution" happened there, unless you define evolution so loosely that it looses any identity.

And that is exactly what you want to do.

Since: May 10

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#158454 Mar 4, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
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ID?
Hmmm - what is intelligent about disease?
What created all of these and why?
For the Xtian believer, these strange events are nothing more than the mysterious ways of God. To a freethinker, the alleged phenomena are an indicative subset of the widespread superstitious beliefs held by our ancestors. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of ridiculous statements made by the authors of the Bible. Whether you enjoy reading about plumb lines or talking donkeys, the Xtian religion carries more than its fair share of absurdities. In fact, some of the biblical reports are illogical enough to disqualify explanations through supernatural means.
However, we still havenít fully covered the absurdity of Godís presence. Most poets, prophets, and historians certainly believed him to be a human-like personage. God shoots flames from his mouth and smoke from his nostrils like a dragon (Psalms 18:8).
God has eyes, ears, a nose, a mouth, a finger, a hand, a back, loins, and feet just to name a few of his physical human attributes.
Deuteronomy.
1st God doesnít want anyone to boil a young goat in its motherís milk (14:21). If youíre going to boil a young goat in milk, is it that much more deviant to do it in its motherís? Why is an eternal, omnipotent god concerned with such trivial and outdated matters?
This god also doesnít want you to plow a field with an ox and a donkey on the same yoke (22:10).
God gives no reason for this useless regulation. Instead of making certain that his holy word included clear abolishment of slavery so that millions of his creations wouldnít needlessly suffer, God decides to set foolish rules for plowing fields and boiling goats. This should provoke indignation from any moralistically reasonable person, regardless of religious conviction.
Read thy BuyBullô for more fun things.:-)
Have you ever designed a disease-causing microbe?

Do you know someone who has?

If so, did it require intelligence?

You are a moron. Thus, I predict you will not design anything.

Since: May 10

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#158455 Mar 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Yes there is a difference between "conjugation" and evolution, you'd do well to learn the difference. This is what happens when you are scientifically ignorant, you think you have found something that refutes what someone has presented. Unfortunately, you never understood the original point, so your rebuttal becomes extremely humorous!!!!!! Keep trying though, if nothing else you are entertaining!!!!
You are the one who proposed "the fact" of evolution being hereditary change over generations.

You assigned conjugation as evolution!

Don't blame someone else, you moron.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#158456 Mar 4, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Yeah, it's a very useful tool. You don't have malaria, right? Probably never had it - or helminth worms. Well done, science.
Not to mention smallpox, cholera, and bubonic plague.
But on another note...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/...

Since: May 10

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#158457 Mar 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Yes there is a difference between "conjugation" and evolution, you'd do well to learn the difference. This is what happens when you are scientifically ignorant, you think you have found something that refutes what someone has presented. Unfortunately, you never understood the original point, so your rebuttal becomes extremely humorous!!!!!! Keep trying though, if nothing else you are entertaining!!!!
You don't really know how to define evolution, do you?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#158458 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Abiogenesis would have to occur before evolution.
As is obvious, abiogenesis is NECESSARY for evolution.
Put another way, life cannot evolve until life occurs.
As is obvious, abiogenesis is NECESSARY for evolution.
Put another way, a pig can't decide to dive into a salt-water ocean and eat nothing but seafood and fuck underwater until there is life.
Duh, but does this mean the creation story is true?
Mr. Mud Pie Man.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#158459 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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That's not what you offered as the "fact of evolution".
Now you offer a new "fact of evolution".
See how it works? You offer your "fact"; it gets shot down, so you think of another one.
Natural selection cannot be both a "component" of evolution and at the same time be "evolution".
If natural selection is evolution, they are the same thing.
They are not.
Natural selection only means some of a population fail to survive, and others with a particular trait survive.
That involves NO EVOLUTION. It involves a population, a hostile environment, death, and then a population in which more members have the aforementioned trait.
No "evolution" happened there, unless you define evolution so loosely that it looses any identity.
And that is exactly what you want to do.
Evolution is the change of a population due to genetic mutations and selected by natural selection. Learn you relationships in science or just give up, we know you're good at giving up.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#158460 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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They define atheism as "no belief".
So we all start as atheists, then some go astray.
Nice setup, huh? You can win any argument if you get to decide the meaning of terms, right?
My dog, Mongo, has no beliefs.
He eats his own shit.
I'm convinced, given this evidence, that he is an atheist.
Your dog...believes in you. If you taught him not to eat his shit you did something. Knowledge is power.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#158461 Mar 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> I dont have a problem with crosses, they are good defense against vampires and such ...heheheh
No really wtf is the problem?
I don't know, man. A few aheists got all butt hurt by it and "demanded" for it to be removed. Then they enlisted the FFRC...

I really don't see the probelm, it DOES keep the vampires out of Riverside.

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#158462 Mar 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Eh?
"Life started from nothing out of the mind of a god."
...then...
"Still the same nothing out of nothing."
O_o
God isn't nothing...
Then please show me this god.
Jimmy

Northwich, UK

#158463 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
That's not what you offered as the "fact of evolution".
Now you offer a new "fact of evolution".
See how it works? You offer your "fact"; it gets shot down, so you think of another one.
Natural selection cannot be both a "component" of evolution and at the same time be "evolution".
If natural selection is evolution, they are the same thing.
They are not.
Natural selection only means some of a population fail to survive, and others with a particular trait survive.
That involves NO EVOLUTION. It involves a population, a hostile environment, death, and then a population in which more members have the aforementioned trait.
No "evolution" happened there, unless you define evolution so loosely that it looses any identity.
And that is exactly what you want to do.
Why are religious people so obviously stupid?
CunningLinguist

Hernando, FL

#158464 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you ever designed a disease-causing microbe?
Do you know someone who has?
If so, did it require intelligence?
You are a moron. Thus, I predict you will not design anything.
Unfortunately there is no vaccine for stupidity and in your case the wheel is still spinning but the hamster died long ago.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#158465 Mar 4, 2013
Jimmy wrote:
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Why are religious people so obviously stupid?
Because their religion elevates stupid, making it seem like a good thing, so they latch onto the religion because they know they are stupid and couldn't find acceptance in anything else because of that.
CunningLinguist

Hernando, FL

#158466 Mar 4, 2013
Jimmy wrote:
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Why are religious people so obviously stupid?
Their problem is simply RELIGION aka Organized Superstition.
Some are literally obsessed with it.

The Christian view that all intercourse outside marriage is immoral was based upon the view that all sexual intercourse, even within marriage, is regrettable.

A view of this sort, which goes against biological facts, can only be regarded by some people as a morbid aberration. The fact that it is embedded in Christian ethics has made Christianity throughout its whole history a force tending towards mental disorders and unwholesome views of life.

The Church had devastating impact upon society. As the Church assumed leadership, activity in the fields of medicine, technology, science, education, history, art and commerce all but collapsed.

Technology disappeared and the Church became the most cohesive power in Western society. The extensive aqueduct and plumbing systems vanished.

Orthodox Christians taught that all aspects of the flesh should be reviled and therefore discouraged washing as much as possible.

Toilets and indoor plumbing disappeared. Disease became commonplace as sanitation and hygiene deteriorated. For hundreds of years, towns and villages were decimated by epidemics.

Europe entered the Dark Ages.

ďOrganised religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children.Ē
~Christopher Hitchens

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#158467 Mar 4, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Please give me your objective evidence of how life began?
Again, the point you seem to be missing is that just because science is not omniscient doesn't mean it's wrong about what it does know. And religion doesn't "know" anything, it's all made-up mythology. I'll take science any day over superstition. If you want the latter, you are welcome to it.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#158468 Mar 4, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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All I can say there is a following among theologians that believe, the Great Wh*re to be a power influential Church with a troubled history as described in Revelation 17.
You donít have to believe it. Iím just sharing with you the thought of what many to believe is the Great Wh*re in Revelation 17.
Well, again, that just highlights the dangers of clinging to an ideology that is not founded in objective evidence. How can you prove or disprove what that passage in Revelation says? It ultimately comes down not to facts, but what everyone agrees is the most pleasing to them.

Since: Oct 12

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#158469 Mar 4, 2013
Jimmy wrote:
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Why are religious people so obviously stupid?
Not all religious people r stupid and not all atheists are intelligent!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#158470 Mar 4, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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Not all religious people r stupid and not all atheists are intelligent!
True.

But Fundamentalism of any kind does sorta tend in that direction.

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