Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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blacklagoon

Jamaica Plain, MA

#158482 Mar 4, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
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Their problem is simply RELIGION aka Organized Superstition.
Some are literally obsessed with it.
The Christian view that all intercourse outside marriage is immoral was based upon the view that all sexual intercourse, even within marriage, is regrettable.
A view of this sort, which goes against biological facts, can only be regarded by some people as a morbid aberration. The fact that it is embedded in Christian ethics has made Christianity throughout its whole history a force tending towards mental disorders and unwholesome views of life.
The Church had devastating impact upon society. As the Church assumed leadership, activity in the fields of medicine, technology, science, education, history, art and commerce all but collapsed.
Technology disappeared and the Church became the most cohesive power in Western society. The extensive aqueduct and plumbing systems vanished.
Orthodox Christians taught that all aspects of the flesh should be reviled and therefore discouraged washing as much as possible.
Toilets and indoor plumbing disappeared. Disease became commonplace as sanitation and hygiene deteriorated. For hundreds of years, towns and villages were decimated by epidemics.
Europe entered the Dark Ages.
“Organised religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children.”
~Christopher Hitchens
Good post, and Theists often ask, "What is the harm done by religion?"

"I'm against religion because it teaches you to be satisfied with NOT understanding the world around you."

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#158483 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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That's not what you offered as the "fact of evolution".
Now you offer a new "fact of evolution".
See how it works? You offer your "fact"; it gets shot down, so you think of another one.
Natural selection cannot be both a "component" of evolution and at the same time be "evolution".
If natural selection is evolution, they are the same thing.
They are not.
Natural selection only means some of a population fail to survive, and others with a particular trait survive.
That involves NO EVOLUTION. It involves a population, a hostile environment, death, and then a population in which more members have the aforementioned trait.
No "evolution" happened there, unless you define evolution so loosely that it looses any identity.
And that is exactly what you want to do.
If only some individuals in a population survive and they do so because of a trait they have, and that trait is passed onto their offspring, that is evolution, Buck.

I really can't see how you're denying that natural selection is an evolutionary process. It is the mechanism by which adaptation evolves.

Genetic drift doesn't produce adaptation. Gene flow rarely does. It's natural selection, baby, all the way.
christianity is EVIL

West Pubnico, Canada

#158484 Mar 4, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
One cannot prove or disprove the existence of God using the scientific method.
youd be correct IF you KNEW what god is

do you?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#158485 Mar 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Not to mention smallpox, cholera, and bubonic plague.
But on another note...
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/...
Thanks, Aura - yeah, big news! One of my supervisors studies HIV/AIDS and will be excited to read this.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#158486 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Like you keep your mouth and brain totally separated?
Is that a sexual thing?
christianity is EVIL

West Pubnico, Canada

#158487 Mar 4, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
I challenge any Topix atheist to prove ANY true chaos in this existence. Not apparent, which would just be a result of not knowing everything involved, but true unadulterated chaos.
.
YOUR mind!!

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158488 Mar 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Good post, and Theists often ask, "What is the harm done by religion?"
"I'm against religion because it teaches you to be satisfied with NOT understanding the world around you."
What is to understand?

You make a living, you make babies, and you try to enjoy the limited time here.

Bubba, you ain't taking a damned thing you "learned" here with you. Right?

You live your life, let others live theirs.
blacklagoon

Jamaica Plain, MA

#158489 Mar 4, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You have a propensity to oversimplify things you wish were simple.
Tell me, since you are a temporary being, personality, experiencer of things, and future dust pile lost to history, just what does it add to your life experience "knowing" you are just a piece of stellar shit with no future, no past, no nothing but the right now? Anything you have done is already lost, they are just memories of yours that will expire when you do. Illusions.
Can you convey to us how that is better than our own illusions?
very simply..I don't lie to myself simply because it might make me feel all warm and fuzzy!!

And all of what you just said scares the shit out of you doesn't it? Your terror of ceasing to exist is written all over this post. You're not talking about me, you're reflecting on your own mortality. How very sad that you should spend your life, the only one you're going to have, draped in fear. I can understand that the only way you can get out of bed in the morning and face life is with the belief that you will never truly die, without that safety net, life would be unbearable for you. How incredibly sad.

The life philosophy I have is so much more courageous than yours. I know that this is all there is. We all have a turn, and then make way for those to follow. We have a responsibility to try and leave the the world a better place than when we entered. Try to leave something behind to enrich the lives of those to follow. It doesn't have to be much, anything. Build something, advance a discipline, contribute to the advancement of science or art. Knowing that this is all you get makes life so much more precious, you have a tendency to enjoy every moment. That fact that I am made up of the same stuff as the stars overwhelms me. I look at the night sky in absolute awe, knowing that I am part of that spender. When my time is up, I will graciously make way for those behind me, as they will eventually make way for this behind them, and so life continues, glorious and fulfilling. Filled with goals and challenges, with pure joy for those how understand what life is meant to be.

You just go right ahead and stick to your delusions, continue to live in fear, continue to be terrified of the dark and the unknown, your choice!
blacklagoon

Jamaica Plain, MA

#158490 Mar 4, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
What is to understand?
You make a living, you make babies, and you try to enjoy the limited time here.
Bubba, you ain't taking a damned thing you "learned" here with you. Right?
You live your life, let others live theirs.
Goddidit.....look no further. As soon as you say Goddidit, any journey of discovery is over. As soon as you say "I don't know" then and only then does the journey begin.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158491 Mar 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>very simply..I don't lie to myself simply because it might make me feel all warm and fuzzy!!
And all of what you just said scares the shit out of you doesn't it? Your terror of ceasing to exist is written all over this post. You're not talking about me, you're reflecting on your own mortality. How very sad that you should spend your life, the only one you're going to have, draped in fear. I can understand that the only way you can get out of bed in the morning and face life is with the belief that you will never truly die, without that safety net, life would be unbearable for you. How incredibly sad.
The life philosophy I have is so much more courageous than yours. I know that this is all there is. We all have a turn, and then make way for those to follow. We have a responsibility to try and leave the the world a better place than when we entered. Try to leave something behind to enrich the lives of those to follow. It doesn't have to be much, anything. Build something, advance a discipline, contribute to the advancement of science or art. Knowing that this is all you get makes life so much more precious, you have a tendency to enjoy every moment. That fact that I am made up of the same stuff as the stars overwhelms me. I look at the night sky in absolute awe, knowing that I am part of that spender. When my time is up, I will graciously make way for those behind me, as they will eventually make way for this behind them, and so life continues, glorious and fulfilling. Filled with goals and challenges, with pure joy for those how understand what life is meant to be.
You just go right ahead and stick to your delusions, continue to live in fear, continue to be terrified of the dark and the unknown, your choice!
You are full of shit.

Just another delusional Utopian.

I'm terrified of death, eh?

It's not a fun event. Nothing you would want to do for recreation. But I checked out before in a conscious state. You haven't. You are whistling past the graveyard.

If you are lucky your end will be very quick and final. A done deal. If you get sick and linger, I will guarantee you will go through some agony as that end approaches. Your whistling will stop. You will realize the illusory life you led. Reality really starts to set in. Good luck to you.

The difference between you and me and experience with that subject is I went through that emotional agony. You talk big. Let's say we see it coming and it is unavoidable, we can join hands and walk into death. I would just step from here to there, but likely to pause because I will have to pull you those last steps. Or I may just let you go.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158492 Mar 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Goddidit.....look no further. As soon as you say Goddidit, any journey of discovery is over. As soon as you say "I don't know" then and only then does the journey begin.
Your journey of discovery consists of reading books. Mine was breaking parts of my body in doing it. In addition to reading books.

Do you really think your blathering impresses me?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#158493 Mar 4, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that a sexual thing?
Only when the bartender starts yelling "Last call!"
blacklagoon

Jamaica Plain, MA

#158494 Mar 4, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Your journey of discovery consists of reading books. Mine was breaking parts of my body in doing it. In addition to reading books.
Do you really think your blathering impresses me?
You....are the last person on the face of the earth that I would care to impress.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#158495 Mar 4, 2013
Lmfao!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha!

That's that's that's just.....

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha!!!

Having a senile moment Dave?
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Your journey of discovery consists of reading books. Mine was breaking parts of my body in doing it. In addition to reading books.
Do you really think your blathering impresses me?
blacklagoon

Jamaica Plain, MA

#158496 Mar 4, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are full of shit.
Just another delusional Utopian.
I'm terrified of death, eh?
It's not a fun event. Nothing you would want to do for recreation. But I checked out before in a conscious state. You haven't. You are whistling past the graveyard.
If you are lucky your end will be very quick and final. A done deal. If you get sick and linger, I will guarantee you will go through some agony as that end approaches. Your whistling will stop. You will realize the illusory life you led. Reality really starts to set in. Good luck to you.
The difference between you and me and experience with that subject is I went through that emotional agony. You talk big. Let's say we see it coming and it is unavoidable, we can join hands and walk into death. I would just step from here to there, but likely to pause because I will have to pull you those last steps. Or I may just let you go.
Should I become sick and know that I will linger in agony, I have the means for a quick and painless death should it come to that. I have no moral restraints as you do. Killing yourself is a sin right? I am not restricted by any such foolishness.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158497 Mar 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You....are the last person on the face of the earth that I would care to impress.
Good for you. Would disturb your comfort level if it was important to you.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158498 Mar 4, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Lmfao!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha!
That's that's that's just.....
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha!!!
Having a senile moment Dave?
<quoted text>
That man has some age, experience, and intelligence, and his blathering doesn't impress me.

Can you even grasp how less significant you are to me, or to anyone else?

I figure not. There is nothing in you but the noise you can make.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#158500 Mar 4, 2013
Well Dave just called you out fella! He so rightfully dubbed you as one of them there book reading types! Yes he pointed out the fact that you unlike him received a tsk proper education! Reading those books with few or no pictures!

How you gonna reach magnet heaven and misunderstand everything like he does if you insist on reading books!

Pffftttt!

The Dave way of learning involves not those picture light books but hurting yourself and suffering several head injuries. Only after a baker's dozen head injuries and permanent brain damage can you have an NDE that isn't even an NDE! Or that deists tell people to believe in Jesus or burn in Hell forever! Or that intelligent design has to be correct because of wrestling with green mist strings in a dream/hallucination after banging your head! Ain't wrestling green mist strings enough proof that Jesus exists for you?

Now do like Dave does and put down them there learning books and get to injuring your head.

Lol!:))
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You....are the last person on the face of the earth that I would care to impress.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158501 Mar 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Should I become sick and know that I will linger in agony, I have the means for a quick and painless death should it come to that. I have no moral restraints as you do. Killing yourself is a sin right? I am not restricted by any such foolishness.
Big talk, Bubba. You have too much to lose. Including your memories.

Killing yourself to escape is stupid. I have no religious morals about that if that is what you are saying. You haven't read what I have written about myself, have you?

Since: Mar 11

United States

#158502 Mar 4, 2013
Plus I like reading them there fancy city slicker learning books and don't hurt myself! Of all the nerve eh Dave?
Dave Nelson wrote:
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That man has some age, experience, and intelligence, and his blathering doesn't impress me.
Can you even grasp how less significant you are to me, or to anyone else?
I figure not. There is nothing in you but the noise you can make.

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