Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: May 10

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#158392 Mar 4, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Whatever your views on creation, Evolution is a fact.
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No, evolution is not a fact.

This statement is meaningless, of course. Just like yours.

It means the same as an odor-less fart.
blacklagoon

Jamaica Plain, MA

#158393 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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How 'bout teaching them that, search as they may, no scientist has ever found one spec of evidence that abiogenesis can occur or has occured in the history of known time, and current evolution theory depends on it?
I realize it will be hard to squeeze that in between lessons on Global Warming and Al Gore's movie.
The kids already think Global Warming caused that jellyfish to kill Steve Irwin - the crocodile hunter.
They reported on the news that Global Warming caused the recent flu outbreak.
I see no problem in disclosing the fact that complex chemical under the right condition can produce Amino Acids, the building block for life. That ALL living things rely on Amino Acids. I think any student with any intelligence at all will make the connection that this fact would be viewed as more than just a "spec" of evidence for abiogenesis.

And you would have what.....Here students is a choice for you to make on how life came to be.

A.) Complex Chemicals, and many of the same elements that not only make up the stars but also our bodies, were abundant on an early Earth. Science has show that Chemicals under the right

conditions can produce some of the ingredients necessary for life. With Helium ..nitrogen...oxygen..hydrogen and carbon, all some of the most abundant elements in the universe, and coincidentally most of what human are made of, it would seem that life in the universe is inevitable. The inevitable consequence of complex chemistry. or

B.) Simply because many things in the universe are so very complex, and we can't understand the complexity then we must assign a fictitious being to the design of this things. Unlike abiogenesis which is a concept fully rooted in the naturalistic realm, the design concept involves an invisible being for which there is not a shred of evidence. My dear students, Option B requires to you accept this premiss based on FAITH. Faith is what you MUST have when no demonstrable evidence is available.

If I were a student the choice would be very simple choice!!!

Oh, by the way, it was a stingray that killed Steve Irwin not a jellyfish....you don't get out much do you!!!!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#158394 Mar 4, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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RR, it's because all evidence demonstrates that evolution from a single ancestor occurred. I take it you didn't read Aero's interesting news piece. Here it is again: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...
There is no compelling alternative. Seriously - what would you suggest as an alternative? That an old man dug up mud out of the ocean and made the earth? That the spirits found this garden and decided it needed tending? That some angry deity flooded it in water, killing everything except for an impossibly large boat of an impossible number of creatures who would all leave a genetic bottleneck behind?
The fact is you don't know enough. You actually think that science "doesn't know" which stories have or have not solid evidence behind them. Well, either learn more or admit you don't actually understand enough to comment on this issue and that you're being sensitive because you have a strongly held religious belief.
And, if you do read science, they are quite clear when they are being speculative - no one ever writes "We've proven, beyond any doubt, that X happened. Thus, we know Y did" in talking about the extreme past in science.
Here's an excerpt:
"Theobald says his most surprising results were "how strongly they support common ancestry." Rather than being disappointed about simply backing up a long-held assumption, he says that at least, "it's always nice to know that we're on the right track."
And that's from this number:
"By plugging these sequences into various relational and evolutionary models, he found that a universal common ancestor is at least 10^2,860 more likely to have produced the modern-day protein sequence variances than even the next most probable scenario (involving multiple separate ancestors)."
10 to the power of 2860! That's a smaller chance than there are stars in our galaxy! It's an unimaginably small chance - and you are suggesting that biological science teachers lie to their students and say "well, we don't know for sure. I mean, there's this chance of one over the entire number of stars in the galaxy, and planets, and moons, that we might be mistaken..."
Get real.
Your belief in science is well stated.

But when I read that a scientist like Theobald says "we're on the right track" makes me wonder his reasons. It makes me think of him as completely anti-God, and his "results" will undoubtedly confirm that.

I understand the concept of evolving, organisms changing, etc. But for any human to truly grasp the "billions of years" crap is hard to fathom. I see it a lot; Their best guess in 2013 is that the universe is 13.7 billion years old, give or take a few zeros.

Get real.

Fact is fact - unchanging.

Theory is theory - always changing.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158395 Mar 4, 2013
http://www.cnn.com/video/...

Progressive California humanism.

As dictated by progressive California lawyers, I am sure.

Since: May 10

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#158396 Mar 4, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Kinda dumb in both cases?
:-)
Now you tell me.

Where were you when I was running down the street holding my insides in with my hand?

I didn't know the two guys I wrestled that 9mm away from had a friend behind me with one just like it.

Felt like a cramp in my back. Till I saw the big hole where it came out the front. He was a lousy shot - missed my spine by a quarter inch.
blacklagoon

Jamaica Plain, MA

#158397 Mar 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that a fact?
Are you certain?
Yes, that is a FACT!!!! Try.........EDUCATING yourself, just try something a little different.

Since: May 10

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#158398 Mar 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Nope. Actually, I learned what cosplay means about 20 seconds ago.
Coldplay?

I like it.


Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#158399 Mar 4, 2013
Ya that post of his was jaw dropping stupid. My science teachers encouraged us to find one observable error in any of our books one testable mistake and we would get crazy bonus points if we could anything. Dirty trick to make us study and participate more!

:)
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Congratulations, man.
Once again you have shown that you are the second dumbest poster here.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#158400 Mar 4, 2013
Should math teachers be made to teach alternatives to the multiplication table? Perhaps using tea leaves to foresee the answer?
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you are indoctrinating in atheism.
It does not support as I pointed out in a previous post tonight.
People of your mindset need to be removed from the public education system.

Since: May 10

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#158401 Mar 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I see no problem in disclosing the fact that complex chemical under the right condition can produce Amino Acids, the building block for life. That ALL living things rely on Amino Acids. I think any student with any intelligence at all will make the connection that this fact would be viewed as more than just a "spec" of evidence for abiogenesis.
And you would have what.....Here students is a choice for you to make on how life came to be.
A.) Complex Chemicals, and many of the same elements that not only make up the stars but also our bodies, were abundant on an early Earth. Science has show that Chemicals under the right
conditions can produce some of the ingredients necessary for life. With Helium ..nitrogen...oxygen..hydrogen and carbon, all some of the most abundant elements in the universe, and coincidentally most of what human are made of, it would seem that life in the universe is inevitable. The inevitable consequence of complex chemistry. or
B.) Simply because many things in the universe are so very complex, and we can't understand the complexity then we must assign a fictitious being to the design of this things. Unlike abiogenesis which is a concept fully rooted in the naturalistic realm, the design concept involves an invisible being for which there is not a shred of evidence. My dear students, Option B requires to you accept this premiss based on FAITH. Faith is what you MUST have when no demonstrable evidence is available.
If I were a student the choice would be very simple choice!!!
Oh, by the way, it was a stingray that killed Steve Irwin not a jellyfish....you don't get out much do you!!!!
Was it a jellyfish turned into a stingray by Global Warming?

...almost forgot...

Intelligent Design involves no invisible being.

Building blocks are the building blocks of buildings.

Finding some is a long way from having a building.

I don't think kids will make that jump - on their own.

But ahhhh,...they don't have to. It is supplied generously by the Darwinists.

Since: May 10

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#158402 Mar 4, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Ya that post of his was jaw dropping stupid. My science teachers encouraged us to find one observable error in any of our books one testable mistake and we would get crazy bonus points if we could anything. Dirty trick to make us study and participate more!
:)
<quoted text>
Your teacher knew you couldn't find your ass with a bell on it.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#158403 Mar 4, 2013
All based upon observable evidence bs none for any god.

Wow that brain damage has really retarded your thought process.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The issue was teaching random abiogenesis as the sole reason for our existence. No deities or intelligent designers. All based upon conjecture.
I didn't think you would be smart enough to realize how that establishes an official declaration of atheism as the state religion.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#158404 Mar 4, 2013
The deigned is known and discovered? This designer is observable?

Stop humiliating yourself lardass.
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
First, even Hiding admitted abiogenesis is "necessary" for current evolutionary theory.
Second, ID is not rooted in anything supernatural.
In other words, something undiscovered and unknown to exist is necessary for evolution, but not for ID.

Since: May 10

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#158405 Mar 4, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt= hp_t3#/video/us/2013/03/04/nr- cpr-senior-living-center.cnn
Progressive California humanism.
As dictated by progressive California lawyers, I am sure.
They elected a governor named "Moonbeam".

He has gas up to around $75 dollars a gallon out there now.

Everyone there with a brain has packed up and moved to Texas.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158406 Mar 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I see no problem in disclosing the fact that complex chemical under the right condition can produce Amino Acids, the building block for life. That ALL living things rely on Amino Acids. I think any student with any intelligence at all will make the connection that this fact would be viewed as more than just a "spec" of evidence for abiogenesis.
And you would have what.....Here students is a choice for you to make on how life came to be.
A.) Complex Chemicals, and many of the same elements that not only make up the stars but also our bodies, were abundant on an early Earth. Science has show that Chemicals under the right
conditions can produce some of the ingredients necessary for life. With Helium ..nitrogen...oxygen..hydrogen and carbon, all some of the most abundant elements in the universe, and coincidentally most of what human are made of, it would seem that life in the universe is inevitable. The inevitable consequence of complex chemistry. or
B.) Simply because many things in the universe are so very complex, and we can't understand the complexity then we must assign a fictitious being to the design of this things. Unlike abiogenesis which is a concept fully rooted in the naturalistic realm, the design concept involves an invisible being for which there is not a shred of evidence. My dear students, Option B requires to you accept this premiss based on FAITH. Faith is what you MUST have when no demonstrable evidence is available.
If I were a student the choice would be very simple choice!!!
Oh, by the way, it was a stingray that killed Steve Irwin not a jellyfish....you don't get out much do you!!!!
You have a total mental block.

Why do you assume just because you can duplicate a chemical process that that process was not used in the beginning by another intelligent force?

Why do you refuse to allow even the thought of such an intelligent force being possible be allowed to be taught?

You people are loopy. Your "science" is a cumulative collection of individual minds creating a collective consciousness applying technology. Your mankind thing.

But even every mankind organization has a head, or central intelligence making decisions.

You idiots don't know what you are arguing for or about. It is strictly a reaction to a book and the political organization that developed from it, a political thing, and you turn against the entire universe and creative force.

Since: May 10

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#158407 Mar 4, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Should math teachers be made to teach alternatives to the multiplication table?
They already do.

Learning the tables was too much trouble.

Left insufficient time to study Al Gore's movies.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158408 Mar 4, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
All based upon observable evidence bs none for any god.
Wow that brain damage has really retarded your thought process.
<quoted text>
What was that degree? The one other than youtubepostology?

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#158409 Mar 4, 2013
Your issues are due to you being a complete reject not science. So this designer of yours is designing new strains of bacteria to kill millions of children?
Buck Crick wrote:
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Yeah, but I did walk into an airplane propeller once.
Bad job, science.
I was also dragged behind a truck with an internal combustion engine once.
Bad boy, science!
I also had electroshock treatments 21 times in one month.
Bad, bad, bad boy, science. <wagging finger>
My friend bought this chemical compound to attract deer, and rubbed it all over himself. Then a big buck deer tried to fuck him.
Bad, bad, bad boy, Mr. Science.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158410 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you tell me.
Where were you when I was running down the street holding my insides in with my hand?
I didn't know the two guys I wrestled that 9mm away from had a friend behind me with one just like it.
Felt like a cramp in my back. Till I saw the big hole where it came out the front. He was a lousy shot - missed my spine by a quarter inch.
Was that in your atheist days when you were less considered in your courses of actions?

I was raised in the city. You learned early not to take too many things like that for granted.

Since: May 10

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#158411 Mar 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, that is a FACT!!!! Try.........EDUCATING yourself, just try something a little different.
Al Gore's movie?

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