Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#158314 Mar 4, 2013

Since: Sep 08

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#158315 Mar 4, 2013
Over the last 40-50 years a la la land has been created by nut case activists leveraging the political scene. The pandering for votes let them in. They are the driven ones who organize and scream and present a false picture of common thought or sense.

Their nut caseism has generated reactions, reactions that are larger than their actual numbers and power are.

They have been chipping away at the foundations that allowed them to come to power. We are entering a period where those foundations will crumble and they will get buried. It is unlikely to be real pretty.

“Ditat Deus”

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#158316 Mar 4, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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What's being married like?
It's like a life long orgy with one person.

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#158317 Mar 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Once again numbnuts.......the teaching of evolution says NOTHING about how life started. Why don't you know this????????/
Even IF that were the case on one hand we have abiogenesis a concept rooted in the physical world. On the other, ID, we have a concept rooted in the supernatural, a realm that can only be imagined. Now if you want to teach ID as a myth, like any of the other myths, include it in the class were mythical greeks Gods are discussed.
First, even Hiding admitted abiogenesis is "necessary" for current evolutionary theory.

Second, ID is not rooted in anything supernatural.

In other words, something undiscovered and unknown to exist is necessary for evolution, but not for ID.

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#158318 Mar 4, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
Annoying :)
First, the music starts as early as November, sometimes right at the beginning. It mostly signals a change in fashion seasons.
Then it gets better. The day itself is for couples. The boy takes the girl out to a really expensive restaurant, and then hotel where she returns the favor.
Ah, Christmas!
Similar here. We get the Christmas "season" now starting just after Halloween. The entire month of December is the same old Christmas music in every retail store. No one likes it, but they play it anyway.

Oh, then there's the lights, the lights, the lights, and then some more lights. The trees, presents, mistletoe, garland, wreaths, pumpkin pies, blah, blah, blah, blah.....

BAH!

Humbug!

“Ditat Deus”

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#158319 Mar 4, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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What do you want children to learn? You want them to be not be told what the consensus of scientists is and what the state of the discipline is?
Evolution is the framework theory for all biological sciences. It the only scientific theory that unifies all disparate biological phenomena under one explanatory umbrella.
So...what should we tell them? Should we just lie to them and talk about magic?
Should we have Muslim biology after Creationist Biology? Alchemy after Chemistry? Astrology after Astronomy?
Should we teach them "yeah, scientists have these ideas about how planets orbit the sun, but there are competing theories about solar evolution that include God doing it 6000 years ago. Sure, it's a 17th century idea that is officially removed from Catholic doctrine, but we're going to teach it to you anyways. Equal time for all ideas! And now, class, on to the validity of Mayan human sacrifice instead of Easter."
How about they teach they *think* it happened this way.....?

I remember reading my science books in school & I've recently read my sons high school science books, they don't propose any other explanation other that "this is the way it happened". NOT "This is the way it could've happened".

It indocrinates the kids into what you believe.

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#158320 Mar 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>So you advocate withholding factual information from children? The process of evolution is simply a fact, that debate has been over for sometime now. Why do you think withholding information from the young mind is a good idea?
I thought you were smarter than to think that evolution had anything to do with how life came to be, I guess not!!! You're scaring me now....you do know that evolution says NOTHING about how life came to be right???
What fact are you talking about?

What is the "fact" of evolution?

It would help if, when claiming something is a fact, you could say what the fact is.

There are at least 9 definitions of evolution is scientific literature.

When you say it's a "fact", you have said nothing.

Some of the terms called "evolution" might be fact, but some clearly are not fact.

You are a moron. That's a fact.

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#158321 Mar 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
You love to put words in peoples mouths
I wanna do more than that.....

C'mon, big boy.

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#158322 Mar 4, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
Riverside isn't selling the property with the cross on it to shut up anybody.
The sale is required so that the City doesn't run afoul of the U.S. Constitution.
Heard of it? First Amendment and all that?
Even Buck knows about that.
The FFRC hasn't been able to prove that the cross is representing a national religion - which would violate the 1st Amendment. In order to save worthless court costs due to a few bickering atheists, they decided to shut them up by selling the property to a private citizen.

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#158323 Mar 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You mean it is a requirement in the People Republic of California?
It seems more a non-issue and a complete waste of time to argue about such trivial things.
It is a waste of time. And it's very selfish of the atheists to want a city landmark removed because it hurt their delicate feelings.

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#158324 Mar 4, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Who did what in D.C.?
Me! Me! I know! <with hand raised>

The Supreme Court. They lied about the Constitution, saying it contains provisions that prohibit such things as crosses on public land. They made folklore into official legal doctrine.

Seeing as how our education system is far-left, they started teaching empty skulls that the Constitution actually prohibits such things. Then a Communist group called the ACLU (I don't know if they are headquartered in Washington) amassed a lot of money from America-hating donors, and can now intimidate any municipality from having anything displayed that the America-haters find objectionable.

The End.

I'll be here all week.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#158325 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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I have a piece of glass from a beer bottle embedded in my head.
Also, a link out of a motorcycle chain.
I would get them removed, but it's a hoot to peck on them with a spoon in time with the music in clubs.
Well...

That explains a lot.

I'll try to be nicer to you.

Not much, though.

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#158326 Mar 4, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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"NDE'S" have happened in many cultures. They are different for the Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jaguar, Frog or Earth worshiping Animist. Culture plays heavily in the experience. People who talk about "core" experiences, are basing that on thousands of cases, and every case doesn't include all of the core experiences. You'd think if there was a reality to the NDE, there would be a set of, say, five experiences that always happen.
A "core" experience just needs to have, for instance, one out of a possible ten of those "core" experiences. This is never really mentioned. I'll add sometimes a person may experience "7" of the core events.'Core experiences", gives the impression all of them happen, always. That isn't the case.
Not all NDE's incorporate a deity experience. Not all NDE's indicate(as related by the person experiencing it) that there is a perceived expectation of 'afterlife".
Many NDE survivors(they never actually died), mention that its an entirely non religious experience.
It seems for some people it might be religious, for others, not "religious" at all. That seems odd to me.
It could be just that, the person was near to death, and they didn't die. The brain(proven to do a similar thing in traumatic injuries), provided a comfortable environment, instead of replaying the last thing a person saw before coming close to death, such as a 60 ft plunge off a cliff, or a 100 mph car crash into a Big Rig traveling at 60 mph....over, and over, and over, and over, till consciousness is resumed.
And when you do, you might be insane from watching Aunt Jenny's head vaporize on impact with the CD player. Repeatedly.
While you are close to death it isn't unreasonable to think the mind places you in a waiting room, filled with numerous things drawn from the subconscious mind and memory. Either chemically induced, or chemically and subconsciously initiated, like a deep dream state. I wouldn't assert that's what happens, however.
We can't even begin to know the effects of all the drugs that are given to heart attack patients(a high #% of NDE reports), and what that does to the mind. Info like that isn't collected in the emergency rooms and may never be. Saving the life is the priority in that setting. Stick'em, drug'em, shock'em, beat on'em, repeat as needed.
Here's the thing, you'd have to die to know if it's actual experience or precursor to some sort of after life, and it isn't a NDE then. Is it?
Its a "DE" (death experience) at that point.
No one survives death, and by death, I mean life>death>rigor mortis.
NDE's and the books written about them and the musings offered are nothing more than speculation. That's all that can be said or asserted about NDE's. Much like deities, they can be neither proven or disproved.
It's a futile debate in thinking you'll prove whatever it is you think they are. It doesn't matter if you're the most brilliant mind on the face of the earth, that you think you've had a NDE, and that others believe your observations must be given more weight than a Wino that says he had one too is an error in reasoning.
What is your criteria for dying?

It seems to be, the subject is not resuscitated.

That is not an objective criterion.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158327 Mar 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Similar here. We get the Christmas "season" now starting just after Halloween. The entire month of December is the same old Christmas music in every retail store. No one likes it, but they play it anyway.
Oh, then there's the lights, the lights, the lights, and then some more lights. The trees, presents, mistletoe, garland, wreaths, pumpkin pies, blah, blah, blah, blah.....
BAH!
Humbug!
I had several customers over the years that depended on Christmas for the majority of the their business and profit. Not just your store retailers, but manufacturers and suppliers of Christmas decorations and the such.

They were all Jewish.

Everyone celebrates making money.

“Ditat Deus”

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#158328 Mar 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You know it seems to me just because the city owns a historical old property , it wouldn't give them the right to change it.
Anymore than anyone has the right to change a historical old property. It's a piece of history, but that's just my take on it.
Is that we take history as it comes, and don't try to change it to suit ourselves, because that's as big a crime as reinventing history.
But on another note I'm surprised people don't complain about cross headstones on public land as well. "sigh"
And what's funny is that a main historical monument for Riverside is the Mission Inn. It's been there since 1876, it used to be a small hotel but became America's largest "Mission Revival Style" building and has had a lage Chapel in it since 1930.

The Mission Inn's bell logo is now the Riverside logo. The same people that built the Mission Inn erected that cross and the bell up on Mt Rubidoux.

Atheists love the Mission, but hate the cross....

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#158329 Mar 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It is a waste of time. And it's very selfish of the atheists to want a city landmark removed because it hurt their delicate feelings.
It's far worse than a waste of time.

It is an encroachment on American freedom, it is destruction of the Constitution, it is intimidation of citizens, and it is a suppression of free thought.

And guess what - that is exactly why they do it.

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#158330 Mar 4, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I see the principle, the importance of ensuring compliance with the Constitution, as necessary.
In what way is that cross violating the Constitution?

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#158331 Mar 4, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I had several customers over the years that depended on Christmas for the majority of the their business and profit. Not just your store retailers, but manufacturers and suppliers of Christmas decorations and the such.
They were all Jewish.
Everyone celebrates making money.
Not me. I hate money '_'

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#158332 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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What fact are you talking about?
What is the "fact" of evolution?
It would help if, when claiming something is a fact, you could say what the fact is.
There are at least 9 definitions of evolution is scientific literature.
When you say it's a "fact", you have said nothing.
Some of the terms called "evolution" might be fact, but some clearly are not fact.
You are a moron. That's a fact.
He's talking about the facts of his successul education, I mean indoctrination, I mean brainwashing into the atheist doctrine. It starts with "We the people, in order to think that we're always right....."

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#158333 Mar 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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It's far worse than a waste of time.
It is an encroachment on American freedom, it is destruction of the Constitution, it is intimidation of citizens, and it is a suppression of free thought.
And guess what - that is exactly why they do it.
I know, it pisses me off. Makes me wanna bash some atheist skulls. But then I remember the boobie bars & calm down.

Then go to Riverside city hall & fight the good fight.

It's actually encouraging to see that there's so many Riversidians that want that cross to remain - regardless of any religious ties to it.

It's a friggin landmark that's been there for 106 years and all of a sudden it hurts the atheists feelers....

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