Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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blacklagoon

Jamaica Plain, MA

#158269 Mar 3, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes. But that would take away our free will.
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Not exactly, He *exists* in the future, and the present, and the past. But for the sake of your ignorance, we'll say yes.
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For you, yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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(cue the "free will is a myth" argument....)
So your God can't intervene in the suffering of little children because that would nullify the free will component he decided was important. At what point does the kind, caring, loving, compassionate shit kick in?

He exists IN the future be he can't "exactly" see the future? Explain!! And what makes my statement about God seeing the future ignorant?

You love to put words in peoples mouths, I NEVER said the concept of free will was a Myth, I said it was an illusion. You can never fully deal with this can you. If tomorrow you decide to take a train rather than a bus, did God know which you were going to do? This is your future and only God can know which you will do. Ever action you take affects the next action, and so on, down through time. Alter on of these actions and your entire future changes, unless you want to admit that God has no idea what the future holds for you, then you have to accept the fact that your future is already cast for you. Is it possible for you do chose something other than what your future holds for you? Can you do anything other that what God KNOWS you will do? Could you have possibly taken the bus rather than the train? If so, your entire future would have been altered thereby changing the pathway that God had chosen for you. You had no choice but to take the train, hence, free will is an illusion.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#158270 Mar 3, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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If I was an atheist, I'd agree with your friends. I'm not an atheist and I've spend all of maybe 5 minutes of my life on atheist websites - usually just to get a laugh.
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Do they try to stop any and all Buddhist or Shinto rituals? Especially those in public? Atheists do that in America a lot. They claim to be tolerant, but most of them only seem to be tolerant of people that agrees with their opinions.
We have a big white cross here, on Mt Rubidoux. An atheist complained about it because it sits on city property. The FFRC filed a lawsuit against Riverside to have it removed, even though the majority of Riversidians wanted the cross to stay - even one atheist friend of mine. He said the cross is meaningless to him except for bring a city landmark (it's been there since 1907). The city is selling the property to a private owner to shut up the FFRC.
Riverside isn't selling the property with the cross on it to shut up anybody.

The sale is required so that the City doesn't run afoul of the U.S. Constitution.

Heard of it? First Amendment and all that?

Even Buck knows about that.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#158271 Mar 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Sorry, man.
Don't worry about it.

But don't do it again, either.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158272 Mar 3, 2013
I mentioned the green smoky trail in my NDE surprising me. And the wrestling with it.

This was one of those surprise events I encountered in that experience. There was absolutely zero reason for me to see such a thing. Later someone said it sounded like my kundalini. I had no knowledge anything like that existed. Never delved into or got acquainted with those sort of things. Totally ignorant of them.

But there I was after going through the black tunnel and drifting to the back of the van looking back toward the front and groaning about the mess I would have to straighten out, and then catching the sight of this green trail coming over the divider I had passed through. Without ever having giving it a thought I passed through a divider. I was totally focused on seeing what was going on. The only reason I caught sight of it was because it was backlit by sunlight coming through the front. It wasn't a straight path. The divider was solid on the bottom and grill at the top. It came through the grill and then dropped before going to the back and heading into me. The exact path of my consciousness and its "vision".

It scared me to death, Kind of a pun there. All I could think at that moment was snake and it was going for me. There was a furious whirlwind type tussle for a few seconds, and then my consciousness collapsed, exhausted. And the realization I just died. I was in the back of the van. My body was laying in the front. Never even thought to take a look at it.

That was the first change of consciousness, and when I considered inserting myself into someone else. When that was over, another occurred. No thinking in words, no memories, no nothing tied to this world and the conscious thinking we do. It was time to go. Then came the wakeup, and the wanting to go back to sleep to escape where I was. Then a period of I can't remember, and a re-emergence back into the van, and a gazing out of where I was going next.

There was not the tiniest bit of anything I could have expected from my physical consciousness. Death had always been this vague thing you did some day. A bridge to be crossed when you got there.

But that green trail kundalini thing was really interesting, looking back at it. Who would ever expect to be bit by a snake in a van after a traffic accident? I didn't.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#158273 Mar 3, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Do public school evolution teachers tell junior high students to be critical of the scientists they read? No. They just teach it. The children aren't old enough or experienced enough to be critical. Default indoctrination.
As the twig is bent.
Congratulations, man.

Once again you have shown that you are the second dumbest poster here.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158274 Mar 3, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Your suggestion is ridiculous. The design inference is in no way supported by any of our sciences. If we were to teach children that life could have been produced by design or chance, as you put it, we would be lying to them.
Biology class is for teaching biology, not fantasy or religion.
The real heart of your problem is that you recognize that biological science supports the atheist position, and you don't like it. Tough. Children can also go to religion classes if they want to understand that, and can go to social science classes to understand how people work.
Then you are indoctrinating in atheism.

It does not support as I pointed out in a previous post tonight.

People of your mindset need to be removed from the public education system.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#158275 Mar 3, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Riverside isn't selling the property with the cross on it to shut up anybody.
The sale is required so that the City doesn't run afoul of the U.S. Constitution.
Heard of it? First Amendment and all that?
Even Buck knows about that.

You mean it is a requirement in the People Republic of California?
It seems more a non-issue and a complete waste of time to argue about such trivial things.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#158276 Mar 3, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
I mentioned the green smoky trail in my NDE surprising me. And the wrestling with it.
This was one of those surprise events I encountered in that experience. There was absolutely zero reason for me to see such a thing. Later someone said it sounded like my kundalini. I had no knowledge anything like that existed. Never delved into or got acquainted with those sort of things. Totally ignorant of them.
But there I was after going through the black tunnel and drifting to the back of the van looking back toward the front and groaning about the mess I would have to straighten out, and then catching the sight of this green trail coming over the divider I had passed through. Without ever having giving it a thought I passed through a divider. I was totally focused on seeing what was going on. The only reason I caught sight of it was because it was backlit by sunlight coming through the front. It wasn't a straight path. The divider was solid on the bottom and grill at the top. It came through the grill and then dropped before going to the back and heading into me. The exact path of my consciousness and its "vision".
It scared me to death, Kind of a pun there. All I could think at that moment was snake and it was going for me. There was a furious whirlwind type tussle for a few seconds, and then my consciousness collapsed, exhausted. And the realization I just died. I was in the back of the van. My body was laying in the front. Never even thought to take a look at it.
That was the first change of consciousness, and when I considered inserting myself into someone else. When that was over, another occurred. No thinking in words, no memories, no nothing tied to this world and the conscious thinking we do. It was time to go. Then came the wakeup, and the wanting to go back to sleep to escape where I was. Then a period of I can't remember, and a re-emergence back into the van, and a gazing out of where I was going next.
There was not the tiniest bit of anything I could have expected from my physical consciousness. Death had always been this vague thing you did some day. A bridge to be crossed when you got there.
But that green trail kundalini thing was really interesting, looking back at it. Who would ever expect to be bit by a snake in a van after a traffic accident? I didn't.
Sounds like a Salvia experience to me. Just sayin. Very similar. Yours seems to have a sinister aspect of a sort.

Sans Salvia.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#158277 Mar 3, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Riverside isn't selling the property with the cross on it to shut up anybody.
The sale is required so that the City doesn't run afoul of the U.S. Constitution.
Heard of it? First Amendment and all that?
Even Buck knows about that.
You know it seems to me just because the city owns a historical old property , it wouldn't give them the right to change it.
Anymore than anyone has the right to change a historical old property. It's a piece of history, but that's just my take on it.
Is that we take history as it comes, and don't try to change it to suit ourselves, because that's as big a crime as reinventing history.

But on another note I'm surprised people don't complain about cross headstones on public land as well. "sigh"

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#158278 Mar 3, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You mean it is a requirement in the People Republic of California?
It seems more a non-issue and a complete waste of time to argue about such trivial things.
I disagree.

I don't like slippery slopes. First, the cross on the hill. Next,...

The Constitution matters.

And yes, California IS a republic by the way.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158279 Mar 3, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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Sounds like a Salvia experience to me. Just sayin. Very similar. Yours seems to have a sinister aspect of a sort.
Sans Salvia.
Actually it was 100% 1979 Ford F-800 dump truck pulling a large bulldozer at 40 MPH according to the accident report. Which was why he was gauging the light. I don't recall seeing it, myself.

That was a private school I had left. It could have easily been a car full of kids.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158280 Mar 3, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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Sounds like a Salvia experience to me. Just sayin. Very similar. Yours seems to have a sinister aspect of a sort.
Sans Salvia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum...

I can't really say that fit the experience. At all.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#158281 Mar 3, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I disagree.
I don't like slippery slopes. First, the cross on the hill. Next,...
The Constitution matters.
And yes, California IS a republic by the way.
But the only thing accomplished is a forced sale of a tiny piece of worthless property that no one would buy except someone who had interest in seeing it will not change.
So in the end nothing changes , a worthless endeavor. Unless someone is so spiteful they would buy it just to knock it down and change a historical landmark, which would take an awfully evil person to do so.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#158282 Mar 3, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Then you are indoctrinating in atheism.
It does not support as I pointed out in a previous post tonight.
People of your mindset need to be removed from the public education system.
No people like Hidding need to be running the education system. People like you need to stay away from it else we will end up in the dark ages again. Godbots had their shot and screwed up the advancement of man for 2000 years. So stand aside and let people real real education get on with the job.

There is no scientific theory or mathematical expression that has a "goddidit" term and that scares you because your stupid beliefs in mythology are obsolete.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#158283 Mar 3, 2013
CORRECTION:-
So stand aside and let people real education get on with the job.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#158284 Mar 3, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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But the only thing accomplished is a forced sale of a tiny piece of worthless property that no one would buy except someone who had interest in seeing it will not change.
So in the end nothing changes , a worthless endeavor. Unless someone is so spiteful they would buy it just to knock it down and change a historical landmark, which would take an awfully evil person to do so.
I see the principle, the importance of ensuring compliance with the Constitution, as necessary.
bohart

White Pine, TN

#158285 Mar 3, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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bookmark this and share w your other religitards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
You are an idiot of galactic proportions. I ask for evidence and you provide a damn wiki link to an unproved theory! What a dumb ass!

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158286 Mar 3, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
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No people like Hidding need to be running the education system. People like you need to stay away from it else we will end up in the dark ages again. Godbots had their shot and screwed up the advancement of man for 2000 years. So stand aside and let people real real education get on with the job.
There is no scientific theory or mathematical expression that has a "goddidit" term and that scares you because your stupid beliefs in mythology are obsolete.
You need to be removed to a mental institution.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158287 Mar 3, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I see the principle, the importance of ensuring compliance with the Constitution, as necessary.
If it suits your ideology.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#158288 Mar 3, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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If it suits your ideology.
It is a vital part of my ideology.

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