Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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“Why does my ignorance”

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Mar 2, 2013
 
Langoliers wrote:
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"First...so what is the Higgs"
"Peter Ware Higgs CH FRS FRSE (born 29 May 1929) is a British theoretical physicist and emeritus professor at the University of Edinburgh.[2]
He is best known for his 1960s proposal of broken symmetry in electroweak theory, explaining the origin of mass of elementary particles in general and of the W and Z bosons in particular. This so-called Higgs mechanism, which was proposed by several physicists besides Higgs at about the same time, predicts the existence of a new particle, the Higgs boson (which was often described as "the most sought-after particle in modern physics"[3][4]). CERN announced on 4 July 2012 that they had experimentally established the existence of a Higgs-like boson,[5] but further work is needed to analyse its properties and see if it has the properties expected from the Standard Model Higgs boson.[6] The Higgs mechanism is generally accepted as an important ingredient in the Standard Model of particle physics, without which certain particles would have no mass.[7]
Higgs has been honoured with a number of awards in recognition of his work, including the 1981 Hughes Medal from the Royal Society, the 1984 Rutherford Medal from the Institute of Physics, the 1997 Dirac Medal and Prize for outstanding contributions to theoretical physics from the Institute of Physics, the 1997 High Energy and Particle Physics Prize by the European Physical Society, the 2004 Wolf Prize in Physics, the 2009 Oskar Klein Memorial Lecture medal from the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, the 2010 American Physical Society J. J. Sakurai Prize for Theoretical Particle Physics and a unique Higgs Medal from the Royal Society of Edinburgh in 2012.[8] The recent potential discovery of the Higgs boson prompted fellow physicist Stephen Hawking to note that he thought that Higgs should receive the Nobel Prize in Physics for his work.[9][10]"
Ok...so what is the Higgs-boson particle? That, uh, was my original question.
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Mar 2, 2013
 
oldman75 wrote:
Atheism requires as much faith as organized religion. I am neither smart enough,or opininated enough to discern the existance or non existance of a supreme diety. IMHO if there is one I doubt his anthropormhic attributes -perhaps universal thought might be piossible .I am,and will always be an agnostic because I do not know and neither does any other human being .
once you define this diety youll realize its logicaly Impossible to exist

www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm

Anyways what difference does it make if one is atheist or agnostic?

I dont worship any god so that makes me atheist...can some god exist?

www.godchecker.com . whatcha think

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Mar 2, 2013
 
Buck Crick wrote:
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No, I had it correct.
Current evolutionary theory relies inextricably on abiogenesis.
You admitted so yourself - you just didn't know it, when you said, "only abiogenesis makes sense from the perspective of our contemporary sciences"
You could have just as correctly worded your statement "ONLY ABIOGENESIS makes sense with our contemporary evolution theory".
I'm not sure why you're not understanding this - abiogenesis is the necessary prediction of our sciences, including but not limited to evolutionary theory.

(I wrote the word "necessary" on purpose, so that you could nitpick it)

However, abiogenesis doesn't form the basis for any of our sciences, for multiple reasons:

1. It's not been demonstrated
2. The processes, if any, are not fully understood.

That's simply not enough to form a foundation for contemporary theories of science. Hence, our theories predict abiogenesis and not the other way around.
So then, what if abiogenesis does not make sense, i.e., is not true? What happens to the paradigm without it?
We'd have to rethink our sciences to include how abiogenesis is not true. If it turns out there's some kind of divinity/non-material agent involved, every framework theory would need to be fully remade.
The Darwinian paradigm collapses and must be reconstructed because ANY ALTERNATIVE TO ABIOGENESIS REQUIRES EXTERNAL AGENCY.
Thus and then, it can no longer be assumed that random variation and natural selection is the sole mechanism of biologic diversity.
You mean "unpredictable variation," but "random" will suffice for shorthand.
Also, out goes the assumption of universal common descent.
Not necessarily - it would depend on how the external agent designed life. Perhaps it chose "random" variation and evolution to do its creating.
Out goes the assumption, even, that life evolved through orderly sequence, instead of multiple life forms arising at different times. Out goes the assumption that multicellular organisms arose from unicellular organisms. Out goes the assumption that life arose in its most simple form and progressed ALWAYS to more complex.
I don't think you could give up any assumption w/out knowing what the designer wanted, how the designer designed. Unless you have some insight into "it," we really wouldn't be able to make any claim - any claim. We would have great difficulties narrowing down causes for any phenomena.
Abiogenesis is inextricably linked with the large-scale views of evolutionary theory.
It was so in Darwin's day; it is so now. Darwin was greatly distressed by this, and so began the tricky campaign in science for bifurcating the two concepts.
It works very well, at least among the non-skeptical.
Sorry, you haven't convinced me. How does evolution require abiogenesis?

It's quite clear how it predicts it - no creators involved in any of our sciences.

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christianity is EVIL wrote:
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once you define this diety youll realize its logicaly Impossible to exist
www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm
Anyways what difference does it make if one is atheist or agnostic?
I dont worship any god so that makes me atheist...can some god exist?
www.godchecker.com . whatcha think
I always thought n atheist says there is no god. That is just as presumptuious as jesus,allah,buddh,the flying spaghetti monster is god . Ain't no proof for any >

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Mar 2, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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1. There is a Theory of Gravity and a Law of Gravity, there are very different.
Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation:
"Every point mass attracts every single point mass by a force pointing along the line intersecting both points. The force is directly proportional to the product of the two masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the point masses."
That formula will let us calculate the gravitational pull between the Earth and the object you drop, between the Sun and Mars, or between me and a bowl of ice cream.
That law only tells us what happens, but not why it happens, THAT'S the Theory of Gravity.
Laws don't change, theories change frequently as new evidence is discovered.
http://thehappyscientist.com/s cience-experiment/gravity-theo ry-or-law

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Ok...so what is the Higgs-boson particle? That, uh, was my original question.
It's another mathematical construct, a virtual reality, to explain the math model based upon misinterpretation of the forces arising from use of EM devices to measure, which introduces a polarity and charge issue they are totally ignoring, and which gives them a cheesy model they just keep patching and going in circles on. Some Christian guy named Faraday stated the ball rolling on those EM devices. Actually they would do better just from scratch math. The approach of how something can work and then testing, versus observing and assuming, and then testing designed to confirm the assuming, and add patches when it don't work.

A school girl with a large caliber revolver between her legs? I am glad to see it is pointed away from her.

Since matter is actually created from th eoutside in and not inside out as commonly thought, how would that change the theory of evolution?

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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It's another mathematical construct, a virtual reality, to explain the math model based upon misinterpretation of the forces arising from use of EM devices to measure, which introduces a polarity and charge issue they are totally ignoring, and which gives them a cheesy model they just keep patching and going in circles on. Some Christian guy named Faraday stated the ball rolling on those EM devices. Actually they would do better just from scratch math. The approach of how something can work and then testing, versus observing and assuming, and then testing designed to confirm the assuming, and add patches when it don't work.
A school girl with a large caliber revolver between her legs? I am glad to see it is pointed away from her.
Since matter is actually created from th eoutside in and not inside out as commonly thought, how would that change the theory of evolution?
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Smooch.
You do understand it is a physical thing?
I mean that they aren't something that can't be physically seen?

http://www.science.tamu.edu/articles/911

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Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You do understand it is a physical thing?
I mean that they aren't something that can't be physically seen?
http://www.science.tamu.edu/articles/911
It's a "physical" event, but not a physical thing. Same with all the other "particles". They can't see them, either.

It is way more massive than a proton or neutron. Should have been a lot easier to find if it existed.

Particles are swirls of "energy" flow. Observing apparatus uses swirling "energy" flows to observe. To detect there has to be something to "bounce" off of, or means to measure the effect of the observing apparatus' applied energy has on something else as it gets channeled through the maze. Such as if the swirl falls into line with a swirl in the observed. That increase has to affect something else that can then be read. They do something like that with their deductions determining the other particles, and the Higgs's itself. The splattering technique.

They are missing the swirl patterns. Actually they are observing the effects, but because they can't see the patterns, they call it a particle. That is where you get the quarks and all these other things. It is really just flows bumping around each other and in loops.

There ain't a damned solid particle to be had. That is why they have these charge fields and sophistric bullshit.

I explained the basic process last night.

Flows create polarities because of direction of motion and direction of spin. Motion of space is the only real "force". Particles are just markers of where they collide and combine.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You do understand it is a physical thing?
I mean that they aren't something that can't be physically seen?
http://www.science.tamu.edu/articles/911
BTW, from that article you posted.

""This will give us room for excitement for the next 10 to 15 years, trying to measure and understand the properties of the model we seem to be seeing. We'll need to have beams with a much higher intensity so we can collect much more data in a shorter period of time.""

English translation. We get a paycheck for the next 10-15 years while we work up the next particle for the next paycheck period.

I love the seem to be seeing. And the bigger and newer machine.

Particle physics is so exciting, and profitable.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You do understand it is a physical thing?
I mean that they aren't something that can't be physically seen?
http://www.science.tamu.edu/articles/911
You must understand Dave Nelson does not understand .... anything.

Most people would say:-
"I do not understand ....."
then go away and learn about it.

Dave Nelson on the other hand says:-

"I do not understand ....."
then attempts to teach everybody about it.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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Particle physics is so exciting, and profitable.
Yes it is ever heard of Nuclear Power, Nuclear Medicine, Xrays?

Fundamental research always pays off.

If it were up to you fire would never had been invented. I can just see it now:-

"Stop wasting your time rubbing those sticks together."

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So believe in your god or burn in Hell? Well we can once and for all discard the notion that you are a deist.

I am sorry you live in this make believe world of delusion.
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He will be lucky to feel anything but emotional agony.
Getting roasted gives you something to do. Wishing you could exist as something, and can't, is a lot worse.
The boy is nothing but failed product.

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Shhhhh lardass you are humiliating yourself again.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_death_exp...

Next would you like to hear what green leafy vegetables and a treadmill could do for you?
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No. There is no such thing as NDE hallucination, GiveMeLiverwurst.
If you are speaking of NDEs themselves, I already know more of the science involved than you will ever read about.
That's assuming you can read.

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The body itself brings on the hallucination.
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Mine wasn't in a hospital. No drugs, either.
But it is as personal an experience as you can get. All by yourself.
Yours will be different.

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Atheism doesn't require as much faith as religion, it has nothing people of other religions respect.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/...

Ebon Alexander is a lifelong Christian who saw exactly as you would assume a man of his faith would.
Buck Crick wrote:
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NDEs are remarkably consistent across cultures and religious beliefs. Statistically, most such experiences DO NOT match the subject's religious experiences in life.
According to scientists who study these, your observations are wrong, Liverwurst.
They are particularly telling when they occur to atheists.
Neurosurgeon Eben Alexander, for example.
He kinda agreed with you till he had one. Now he agrees with me.
Find a subject you know a little something about. Take your time.
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Carchar king wrote:
Atheism doesn't require as much faith as religion, it has nothing people of other religions respect.
Sorry, your fundamental flaw is that atheism isn't another religion. It is a lack of belief, you don't need faith to lack belief of something of which there is no proof.....got it?

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Televangelists and every other huckster shilling sole feel good nonsense. Wanna write a horsesht book on NDEs? Lol!
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I find them oddly entertaining.
It's like advanced kindergarten for adults with severe mental illness. These are the fodder the televangelists drool over.
"Believe nothing,
No matter where you read it,
Or who has said it,
Not even if I have said it,
Unless it agrees with your own reason
And your own common sense."
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mtimber wrote:
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What about the man that states a gust of wind blew on a handful of dirt and man magically appeared.
How would you define him?
Whose hand was the dirt in?

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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It's another mathematical construct, a virtual reality, to explain the math model based upon misinterpretation of the forces arising from use of EM devices to measure, which introduces a polarity and charge issue they are totally ignoring, and which gives them a cheesy model they just keep patching and going in circles on. Some Christian guy named Faraday stated the ball rolling on those EM devices. Actually they would do better just from scratch math. The approach of how something can work and then testing, versus observing and assuming, and then testing designed to confirm the assuming, and add patches when it don't work.
A school girl with a large caliber revolver between her legs? I am glad to see it is pointed away from her.
Since matter is actually created from th eoutside in and not inside out as commonly thought, how would that change the theory of evolution?
Kinda missed you.
Smooch.
You're hard to follow after you've been drinking. ;)

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