Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#158040 Mar 3, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Google scares the shit out of you, doesn't it.
The truth scares the shit out of you, doesn't it?
Imhotep

Jacksonville, FL

#158041 Mar 3, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
I actually see atheism as a belief. Atheism, like theism, cannot be proved or disproved. Since neither can be, how is atheism not a belief?
Don't get me wrong, the evidence, imo, points to the non-existence of deities - in fact, I'd say all evidence suggests that deities are imagined beings, created by humans - but that doesn't constitute "proof" in the philosophical sense.
So I don't see atheism as an active belief, like religions are. Atheists don't do anything special to socially ritualize their lack of belief in deities. But since we cannot absolutely and objectively rule out deities, the position cannot be "objective knowledge" or "truth."
Am I mistaken?
Humans have the idea of right and wrong imbedded in them by their own brains, as well as their upbringing and society. Atheists do good, not out of fear of reprisal, but because it's the right thing to do. We value family, society, culture, and, of course, freedom. Many of us will - and have - defended these values with our lives. Examples:

1) Many Catholics make judgement calls on moral decisions against their church. For example, some use birth control or have abortions, despite what their church preaches. If these people can make moral decisions despite what their church preaches, then atheists can make similar choices without a church altogether.

2) Slavery was not only acceptable 200 years ago, it was considered a good deed by many, and defended using the bible. The bible was also used to justify the Holocaust, the Crusades, and the Spanish Inquisition.

Why is this relevant? Because it shows that the bible can be used to defend even the most immoral and unethical ideals, and is therefore not an adequate yardstick to measure moral or ethical behavior.

3) Finally, mention bad religious people. Remember that Hitler was a religious Catholic, and that Jeffrey Dahmer said grace before he ate his victims. Mention also that one need only open a newspaper to find yet another story about allegations against priests for sexual misconduct, often with children. Don't forget our good friends Jim Bakker (who swindled millions from his flock) and Jimmy Swaggart (asked for forgiveness only after being caught using prostitutes).

4) Always couple these statements with the fact that, while atheists make up 8-10% of the population at large, we only make up 1% of the population in prison. I mean, think of it, what if 8-10% of the population (on top of all the religious criminals) decided it was OK to steal, rape, and murder? We'd have chaos! These will serve to prove that religion and ethical behavior are not even slightly related.

Expect these statements to piss off the theists, and this is where you must mention that what you said is verifiable and that their statement is openly prejudicial against 50 million Americans. This is the opportunity to open their eyes to the fact that just because we're different from them doesn't make us inherently bad.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#158042 Mar 3, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait a tic!
Weren't you just arguing with Buck that we have no evidence of abiogenesis???
Now you're saying "All current evidence suggests that life originated once, about 3.8 billion years ago, from abiogenesis."
O_o

All evidence points toward abiogenesis.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#158043 Mar 3, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
I actually see atheism as a belief. Atheism, like theism, cannot be proved or disproved. Since neither can be, how is atheism not a belief?
Don't get me wrong, the evidence, imo, points to the non-existence of deities - in fact, I'd say all evidence suggests that deities are imagined beings, created by humans - but that doesn't constitute "proof" in the philosophical sense.
So I don't see atheism as an active belief, like religions are. Atheists don't do anything special to socially ritualize their lack of belief in deities. But since we cannot absolutely and objectively rule out deities, the position cannot be "objective knowledge" or "truth."
Am I mistaken?
Eh, pretty good.

But "Atheists don't do anything special"?

True, except spend A LOT of time talking about gods they say they don't believe exist...

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#158044 Mar 3, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>I actually see atheism as a belief. Atheism, like theism, cannot be proved or disproved. Since neither can be, how is atheism not a belief?

Don't get me wrong, the evidence, imo, points to the non-existence of deities - in fact, I'd say all evidence suggests that deities are imagined beings, created by humans - but that doesn't constitute "proof" in the philosophical sense.

So I don't see atheism as an active belief, like religions are. Atheists don't do anything special to socially ritualize their lack of belief in deities. But since we cannot absolutely and objectively rule out deities, the position cannot be "objective knowledge" or "truth."

Am I mistaken?
Hi hiding!

You going to be back for a while, or just taking a break from reality?

Always good to see you.

Still glowing?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#158045 Mar 3, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Wait a tic!

Weren't you just arguing with Buck that we have no evidence of abiogenesis???

Now you're saying "All current evidence suggests that life originated once, about 3.8 billion years ago, from abiogenesis."

O_o
Read it again.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#158046 Mar 3, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>It should.

Knowledge is the antithesis of superstition.
Wanna know what'll kill religion once and for all?
You guessed it.
Google.
Yup.

And the kids are pretty good at it.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#158047 Mar 3, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Cool.

"The tree versus web debate remains "very controversial right now in evolutionary biology," Theobald says, reluctant to pick a side himself."

He doesn't know, but you do?
LMAO!
I don't remember saying I "know".

Care to remind me.

You should avoid laughing your ass off.

It appears that's what you talk through.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#158048 Mar 3, 2013
It has lardass, your fingers were to fat to click the link I guess. Even believing experts agree that it stems from natural processes and the person's psychology.

And green leafy vegetables should be included in your diet.
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
No NDE has ever been recreated. Not one.
Refuting you is getting too easy, and boring.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#158049 Mar 3, 2013
Oh dear me, you lack the tools to comprehend. Sorry about that.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a moron. Your own link discredits what you say.
" Scientists have found that the drugs ketamine and PCP can create sensations in users that are nearly identical to many NDEs."
"Nearly identical" does not mean "identical", fucktard.
"We can't run a test to determine if someone actually visited Heaven and met God or purposely take someone to the brink of death and then resuscitate them in a lab to test their out-of-body perception."

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#158050 Mar 3, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>The truth scares the shit out of you, doesn't it?
Nope.

I seek it.

I embrace it.

I cherish it.

I revere it.

I revel in it.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#158051 Mar 3, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup.
And the kids are pretty good at it.
Gives one cause to hope, dunnit?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#158052 Mar 3, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
All evidence points toward abiogenesis.
Unless one is prepared to claim that life has always existed (or that it never has, and still doesn't), abiogenesis obviously occurred at some point.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158053 Mar 3, 2013
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/01/world/gallery/s...

Some sinkhole pictures from CNN. Look at the third from the left of a huge one in Guatemala.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158054 Mar 3, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.
I seek it.
I embrace it.
I cherish it.
I revere it.
I revel in it.
Then you should get ecstatic from this truth.

You are a dummy.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#158055 Mar 3, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>Humans have the idea of right and wrong imbedded in them by their own brains, as well as their upbringing and society. Atheists do good, not out of fear of reprisal, but because it's the right thing to do. We value family, society, culture, and, of course, freedom. Many of us will - and have - defended these values with our lives. Examples:

1) Many Catholics make judgement calls on moral decisions against their church. For example, some use birth control or have abortions, despite what their church preaches. If these people can make moral decisions despite what their church preaches, then atheists can make similar choices without a church altogether.

2) Slavery was not only acceptable 200 years ago, it was considered a good deed by many, and defended using the bible. The bible was also used to justify the Holocaust, the Crusades, and the Spanish Inquisition.

Why is this relevant? Because it shows that the bible can be used to defend even the most immoral and unethical ideals, and is therefore not an adequate yardstick to measure moral or ethical behavior.

3) Finally, mention bad religious people. Remember that Hitler was a religious Catholic, and that Jeffrey Dahmer said grace before he ate his victims. Mention also that one need only open a newspaper to find yet another story about allegations against priests for sexual misconduct, often with children. Don't forget our good friends Jim Bakker (who swindled millions from his flock) and Jimmy Swaggart (asked for forgiveness only after being caught using prostitutes).

4) Always couple these statements with the fact that, while atheists make up 8-10% of the population at large, we only make up 1% of the population in prison. I mean, think of it, what if 8-10% of the population (on top of all the religious criminals) decided it was OK to steal, rape, and murder? We'd have chaos! These will serve to prove that religion and ethical behavior are not even slightly related.

Expect these statements to piss off the theists, and this is where you must mention that what you said is verifiable and that their statement is openly prejudicial against 50 million Americans. This is the opportunity to open their eyes to the fact that just because we're different from them doesn't make us inherently bad.
Well said.

Great post!

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#158056 Mar 3, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Eh, pretty good.

But "Atheists don't do anything special"?

True, except spend A LOT of time talking about gods they say they don't believe exist...
For the last time (I wish), we talk about religion, which does exist.

One way we know you are defeated is seeing you continually return to this same tired, erroneous, disingenuous line.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#158057 Mar 3, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheists quiver in fear at a religious scientist and they readily dismiss anything that scientist has to say.
Really? You mean we dismiss evolution?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#158058 Mar 3, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> I'm asking you.
What life was there on Earth 3.8 billion years ago?
*shrugs*

I don't do this stuff, but they assume that the first living organism came from simple molecules that were in the Earth's oceans.

Between 3.5 to 3.8 billion years ago...

LMAO! "they" think up some crazy shit.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#158059 Mar 3, 2013
Are you seriously this stupid or is it an act?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait a tic!
Weren't you just arguing with Buck that we have no evidence of abiogenesis???
Now you're saying "All current evidence suggests that life originated once, about 3.8 billion years ago, from abiogenesis."
O_o

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