Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Read more

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#157922 Mar 2, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You do understand it is a physical thing?
I mean that they aren't something that can't be physically seen?
http://www.science.tamu.edu/articles/911
It's a "physical" event, but not a physical thing. Same with all the other "particles". They can't see them, either.

It is way more massive than a proton or neutron. Should have been a lot easier to find if it existed.

Particles are swirls of "energy" flow. Observing apparatus uses swirling "energy" flows to observe. To detect there has to be something to "bounce" off of, or means to measure the effect of the observing apparatus' applied energy has on something else as it gets channeled through the maze. Such as if the swirl falls into line with a swirl in the observed. That increase has to affect something else that can then be read. They do something like that with their deductions determining the other particles, and the Higgs's itself. The splattering technique.

They are missing the swirl patterns. Actually they are observing the effects, but because they can't see the patterns, they call it a particle. That is where you get the quarks and all these other things. It is really just flows bumping around each other and in loops.

There ain't a damned solid particle to be had. That is why they have these charge fields and sophistric bullshit.

I explained the basic process last night.

Flows create polarities because of direction of motion and direction of spin. Motion of space is the only real "force". Particles are just markers of where they collide and combine.

They worship idols.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#157923 Mar 2, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You do understand it is a physical thing?
I mean that they aren't something that can't be physically seen?
http://www.science.tamu.edu/articles/911
BTW, from that article you posted.

""This will give us room for excitement for the next 10 to 15 years, trying to measure and understand the properties of the model we seem to be seeing. We'll need to have beams with a much higher intensity so we can collect much more data in a shorter period of time.""

English translation. We get a paycheck for the next 10-15 years while we work up the next particle for the next paycheck period.

I love the seem to be seeing. And the bigger and newer machine.

Particle physics is so exciting, and profitable.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#157924 Mar 2, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You do understand it is a physical thing?
I mean that they aren't something that can't be physically seen?
http://www.science.tamu.edu/articles/911
You must understand Dave Nelson does not understand .... anything.

Most people would say:-
"I do not understand ....."
then go away and learn about it.

Dave Nelson on the other hand says:-

"I do not understand ....."
then attempts to teach everybody about it.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#157925 Mar 2, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
.....
Particle physics is so exciting, and profitable.
Yes it is ever heard of Nuclear Power, Nuclear Medicine, Xrays?

Fundamental research always pays off.

If it were up to you fire would never had been invented. I can just see it now:-

"Stop wasting your time rubbing those sticks together."

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#157926 Mar 2, 2013
So believe in your god or burn in Hell? Well we can once and for all discard the notion that you are a deist.

I am sorry you live in this make believe world of delusion.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
He will be lucky to feel anything but emotional agony.
Getting roasted gives you something to do. Wishing you could exist as something, and can't, is a lot worse.
The boy is nothing but failed product.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#157927 Mar 2, 2013
Shhhhh lardass you are humiliating yourself again.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_death_exp...

Next would you like to hear what green leafy vegetables and a treadmill could do for you?
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
No. There is no such thing as NDE hallucination, GiveMeLiverwurst.
If you are speaking of NDEs themselves, I already know more of the science involved than you will ever read about.
That's assuming you can read.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#157928 Mar 2, 2013
The body itself brings on the hallucination.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Mine wasn't in a hospital. No drugs, either.
But it is as personal an experience as you can get. All by yourself.
Yours will be different.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#157929 Mar 2, 2013
Atheism doesn't require as much faith as religion, it has nothing people of other religions respect.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#157930 Mar 2, 2013
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/...

Ebon Alexander is a lifelong Christian who saw exactly as you would assume a man of his faith would.
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
NDEs are remarkably consistent across cultures and religious beliefs. Statistically, most such experiences DO NOT match the subject's religious experiences in life.
According to scientists who study these, your observations are wrong, Liverwurst.
They are particularly telling when they occur to atheists.
Neurosurgeon Eben Alexander, for example.
He kinda agreed with you till he had one. Now he agrees with me.
Find a subject you know a little something about. Take your time.
Albtraum

Jackson, MO

#157931 Mar 2, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
Atheism doesn't require as much faith as religion, it has nothing people of other religions respect.
Sorry, your fundamental flaw is that atheism isn't another religion. It is a lack of belief, you don't need faith to lack belief of something of which there is no proof.....got it?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#157932 Mar 2, 2013
Televangelists and every other huckster shilling sole feel good nonsense. Wanna write a horsesht book on NDEs? Lol!
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
I find them oddly entertaining.
It's like advanced kindergarten for adults with severe mental illness. These are the fodder the televangelists drool over.
"Believe nothing,
No matter where you read it,
Or who has said it,
Not even if I have said it,
Unless it agrees with your own reason
And your own common sense."
~Buddha

“Kalamazoo, MI ”

Since: May 12

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#157933 Mar 3, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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What about the man that states a gust of wind blew on a handful of dirt and man magically appeared.
How would you define him?
Whose hand was the dirt in?

“Kalamazoo, MI ”

Since: May 12

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#157934 Mar 3, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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It's another mathematical construct, a virtual reality, to explain the math model based upon misinterpretation of the forces arising from use of EM devices to measure, which introduces a polarity and charge issue they are totally ignoring, and which gives them a cheesy model they just keep patching and going in circles on. Some Christian guy named Faraday stated the ball rolling on those EM devices. Actually they would do better just from scratch math. The approach of how something can work and then testing, versus observing and assuming, and then testing designed to confirm the assuming, and add patches when it don't work.
A school girl with a large caliber revolver between her legs? I am glad to see it is pointed away from her.
Since matter is actually created from th eoutside in and not inside out as commonly thought, how would that change the theory of evolution?
Kinda missed you.
Smooch.
You're hard to follow after you've been drinking. ;)

“Kalamazoo, MI ”

Since: May 12

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#157935 Mar 3, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
1. There is a Theory of Gravity and a Law of Gravity, there are very different.
There - They're ;) Other than that, you are so smart!

Since: May 10

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#157936 Mar 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/...
Ebon Alexander is a lifelong Christian who saw exactly as you would assume a man of his faith would.
<quoted text>
You are a liar, and you are also wrong.

Eben Alexander, at times, ATTENDED an Episcopal church. That does not mean he was a believing christian. The indication is that he was not. From his words:

"I adored the simplicity—the absolute honesty and cleanness of science. I respected that it left no room for fantasy or for sloppy thinking. If a fact could be established as tangible and trustworthy, it was accepted. If not, then it was rejected."

Also, if as you say, he saw EXACTLY what a man of christian faith would see, WHY DID HE NEVER SEE JESUS? Don't you think that's pretty central to Christianity? Why was he guided by a figure of a person he did not recognize and had never met? Wouldn't your theory suggest a loved one who had died and gone to heaven?

HERE, Alexander professes HE DID NOT BELIEVE IN GOD:

"I sympathized deeply with those who wanted to believe that there was a God somewhere out there who loved us unconditionally. In fact, I envied such people the security that those beliefs no doubt provided. But as a scientist, I simply knew better than to believe them myself."

What's amazing is idiots like you that know nothing, are not very intelligent, yet claim to know more about brain function than a practicing neurosurgeon trained in neuroendocrinology, and to know more about someone's personal beliefs than they themselves.

You are a liar and a moron.

Since: May 10

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#157937 Mar 3, 2013
Albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, your fundamental flaw is that atheism isn't another religion. It is a lack of belief, you don't need faith to lack belief of something of which there is no proof.....got it?
You are a liar, Albatross.

Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy, the preeminent reference tool for philosophy:

"Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. It proposes positive belief rather than mere suspension of disbelief."

Since: May 10

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#157938 Mar 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Televangelists and every other huckster shilling sole feel good nonsense. Wanna write a horsesht book on NDEs? Lol!
<quoted text>
Hey Moron,

Speaking of hucksters, why would huckster Sam Harris write an insulting article about Eben Alexander, then refuse to debate him on his experience?

Need a hint?

Since: May 10

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#157939 Mar 3, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
ToE is not unproven.
You are a liar.

The rudimentary concept is proven. What exists in scientific literature has at least 9 definitions, from the rudimentary to the more tenuous claims.

By saying ToE is proven, you are attempting to sweep in the tenous and unproven claims with something as simple as antibiotic resistance - which, by the way, is not even evolution.

Why are atheists such liars?

“Kalamazoo, MI ”

Since: May 12

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#157940 Mar 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Moron,
Speaking of hucksters, why would huckster Sam Harris write an insulting article about Eben Alexander, then refuse to debate him on his experience?
Need a hint?
Yeah!

“Kalamazoo, MI ”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#157941 Mar 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a liar.
The rudimentary concept is proven. What exists in scientific literature has at least 9 definitions, from the rudimentary to the more tenuous claims.
By saying ToE is proven, you are attempting to sweep in the tenous and unproven claims with something as simple as antibiotic resistance - which, by the way, is not even evolution.
Why are atheists such liars?
Yeah! Why?

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