Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#157027 Feb 27, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Iran would love that very much.
Wouldn't you too? After all, you think it's important to 'teach both sides'.

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#157028 Feb 27, 2013
Atheist Silurist wrote:
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion,they are not entitled to their own facts.
Intelligent design can't be demonstrated scientifically,evolutionary biology can and is.
Intelligent design is a creationist ploy to get religious superstitious bollocks into the science class,and anyone who can't see that is either willfully ignorant or downright thick.
Find one single self animated object in this universe outside of organic life that wasn't designed. We did them all. Self animation and intelligence has to be designed in our observation and experience.

Why do you say ID can't proved?

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#157029 Feb 27, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Intelligent Design isn't science; it's Creationism in disguise.
You are repeating a cliche', proving you know nothing about either creationism nor intelligent design.

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#157030 Feb 27, 2013
Lol you never got your hands on a playboy in middle or high school from a classmate? Sad sap.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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"I made hundreds on the porn mags and movies I would find hidden under mattresses! Many still in the plastic and not even opened! Quite an entrepreneur when I was in middle school with those :D "
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
And you never stopped as evinced by your posts on here about giving free porn away, and money made from it. And posts about the poor and homeless children you visited in the Philippines every year?
You are a piece of shit masquerading as a human.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#157031 Feb 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You are repeating a cliche', proving you know nothing about either creationism nor intelligent design.
I do.

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#157032 Feb 27, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Please. IDers have been caught with their pants down on this multiple times, like the Wedge Document.
Creationism was ruled by courts to be illegal and IMMEDIATELY AFTER, the same people start presenting ID, which is the same junk except the word "God" gets covered up so it seems less religious.
Courts saw through this as well, which is why ID is illegal to teach.
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They're an extreme minority.
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There's no enforcement arm. This is conspiracy theory nonsense by Creationists who are butthurt about their religious beliefs not being catered to by the scientific community.
You're an idiot.

1. ID was being presented BEFORE the court ruling you allude to, which is Edwards v. Aguillard, 1987. Namely, the 1984 book The Mystery of Lifeís Origin by Charles Thaxton (Ph.D., Physical Chemistry, Iowa State University), Walter Bradley (Ph.D., Materials Science, University of Texas, Austin), and Roger Olsen (Ph.D., Geochemistry, Colorado School of
Mines).

2. ID is NOT ILLEGAL to teach. One judge ruled it unconstitutional in one school district in Pennsylvania. Judge John Jones III, who ruled in the case admitted his opinion "has
no precedential value outside the Middle District of Pennsylvania".

3. ID has no hypothesis about divine creation, and is inconsistent with Creationism, and is rejected by the largest organizations in the world who promote Creationism. Some of the leading scientific advocates of ID, including Michael Behe who has written 2 books on the subject, publicly accept human/ape common ancestry, which is a contradiction of the teachings of Creationism.

You don't know what you're talking about.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#157033 Feb 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You promote teaching ToE.
There is much speculation & assumption in that particular theory.
There is ZERO evidence that all life on this planet came from one life. But you promote that assumption to America's youth as if its fact.
That is not the TOE, that is the origin of life.
Evolution is beyond refute. Personally I can't say for sure how life began , but the evidence leads us to think it came from organic chemicals from space and that these somehow managed to evolve into living organisms. There is much evidence pointing to this fact.
But I cant say if it had help or not, I can only say we have found nothing that points toward that. I wish there were a creator , perhaps it could help us if there were.

But wishing there being one wont make it be, and wont make there be evidence of one. So wish and superstition aside we can only try to develop the knowledge of how it came to be. It has brought us to the cusp of understanding how, and it is within reach as we will eventually figure it out. Or if the prophecies are true, your Jesus will return and God will make his kingdom on Earth.

But RR I not going to believe any of that, unless I see evidence of it happening, maybe it will be to late and I will go to hell.
Or maybe the prophesy is nothing but superstition and science will
unravel the mystery of life , and we as humans advance spreading life throughout the universe. Until it destroys itself.
Only time will tell. I only know it wont change me into a murderer or rapist or evil person to study science any more than it will turn you into these things as a believer.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#157034 Feb 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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LMAO!
Did you write Mylan on purpose?
Yep the rest is scrambled.

Tell him, kfcu htat tshi etanig rgin no mylans acef.

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#157035 Feb 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I do.
But what you know is wrong.

I have found no person on these threads who knows anything about ID except for the packaged, stacked, and stocked cliche's and putdowns found on your average liberal or atheist blog.

I spent 2 weeks trying to get IAnus to admit a book on ID in 1984 predates the Aguillard decision of 1987.

He would not admit 1984 came before 1987.

You ever seen an asshole doctor admit he was wrong? I haven't. And I've had more than average contact with them - given my electroshock and anti-psychotic therapy.

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#157036 Feb 27, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Tell him, kfcu htat tshi etanig rgin no mylans acef.
Easy for you to say.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#157037 Feb 27, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Space is a carrier with filaments of matter forming "solid" stuff. Space permeates even those filaments. Our organized neutral matter and energy that comprises us and our thought processes are a tiny small part of neutral matter in the universe, and its energy, which is itself about only 1% of all visible matter, the rest being plasma, which is more energetic due to its charge imbalance.
There s a steady stream of plasma and energy from the sun to here in the solar wind. Average about 4 protons per cm3. That is linear to the sun, and perpendicular to the earth surface. It is like a steam of water flowing into us, though without the density. Essentially a direct connection for the transmission of energy of various frequencies due to its being mostly plasma. There will also be a return path of energy from here to the sun. This solar wind will interact with the charges it produces in the earth and any others produced on it. It is felt back up that stream from the sun. Electric and electromagnetic coupling between the earth and sun. Not a one way street.
The galaxies are connected also, but we don't really know what is going on there. There is also a energy bubble around our solar system sort of like a halo. It's anyone's guess what it is.
But if Susskind is right, it just maybe the entropy or all the information of every event that ever took place within it.

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#157038 Feb 27, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Then in history class, we should teach them both the the Holocaust happened, but also that the Holocaust didn't happen.
What does it hurt if they hear both sides?
In health class, we should teach both sexual reproduction and Stork Theory.
What does it hurt if they hear both sides?
In chemistry, we should teach both the periodic table of elements and the fire/earth/water/air system of elements.
What does it hurt if they hear both sides?
Schools have a finite amount of time to teach students. We don't fill up that time with "sides" that experts in those fields have already dismissed as garbage.
The Holocaust is not a theory about what happened millions of years ago, and does not require multiple assumptions.

Also, ID accomodates evolution. ID advocates accept that evolution has occurred and is occuring. So it's not either/or.

You are an idiot.

“Darwin died for your sins”

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#157039 Feb 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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But what you know is wrong.
I have found no person on these threads who knows anything about ID except for the packaged, stacked, and stocked cliche's and putdowns found on your average liberal or atheist blog.
I spent 2 weeks trying to get IAnus to admit a book on ID in 1984 predates the Aguillard decision of 1987.
He would not admit 1984 came before 1987.
You ever seen an asshole doctor admit he was wrong? I haven't. And I've had more than average contact with them - given my electroshock and anti-psychotic therapy.
Buck Crick wrote:
I have found no person on these threads who knows anything about ID.
Here's why :
Buck Crick wrote:
I've had more than average contact with them - given my electroshock and anti-psychotic therapy.

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#157040 Feb 27, 2013
Atheist Silurist wrote:
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion,they are not entitled to their own facts.
Intelligent design can't be demonstrated scientifically,evolutionary biology can and is.
Intelligent design is a creationist ploy to get religious superstitious bollocks into the science class,and anyone who can't see that is either willfully ignorant or downright thick.
You know less than nothing about Intelligent Design Theory.

If you could begin at zero, you would be ahead of where you are now, because you think you know something about it.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#157041 Feb 27, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Thatís you personal opinion that you believe as fact.
This is going to be a big shock to you but the world is made up of other people that have opinions just as you do.
So in the sea of opinions your little drop in the ocean doesnít make that big of a difference.
There are those in the science community that support Intelligent Design and there are others in the closet but they also secretly believe it.
Evolution is the only science that has a enforcement arm. If you are a scientist and you donít believe some far out theory in Physics, no problem. Or if you donít believe a theory in biogenetics, no problem. If you donít believe a theory in space science, no problem. But if you donít believe in evolution, your fired.
There is no belief in evolution, you can be educated in it and have understanding, or be ignorant and deny it.
This is like an argument with a child, if you keep asking maybe you will get a different answer. No Eagle evolution is not a belief, it is the study about what happened on Earth with life.
It doesn't answer if god created life, it answers what happened to the living creatures since the first known life existed here.

It wont matter how much you think it's a belief, and if your god shows up he would have to tell you it is what happened to life on Earth.

Since: Sep 10

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#157042 Feb 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You're an idiot.
1. ID was being presented BEFORE the court ruling you allude to, which is Edwards v. Aguillard, 1987. Namely, the 1984 book The Mystery of Lifeís Origin by Charles Thaxton (Ph.D., Physical Chemistry, Iowa State University), Walter Bradley (Ph.D., Materials Science, University of Texas, Austin), and Roger Olsen (Ph.D., Geochemistry, Colorado School of
Mines).
2. ID is NOT ILLEGAL to teach. One judge ruled it unconstitutional in one school district in Pennsylvania. Judge John Jones III, who ruled in the case admitted his opinion "has
no precedential value outside the Middle District of Pennsylvania".
3. ID has no hypothesis about divine creation, and is inconsistent with Creationism, and is rejected by the largest organizations in the world who promote Creationism. Some of the leading scientific advocates of ID, including Michael Behe who has written 2 books on the subject, publicly accept human/ape common ancestry, which is a contradiction of the teachings of Creationism.
You don't know what you're talking about.
I do.

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#157043 Feb 27, 2013
Atheist Silurist wrote:
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Even if we take the notion of a supreme being that set the universe in motion and then let it evolve into the universe we live in now,that is not what the creationists will even contemplate, their goal is to introduce old testament genesis gibberish into the science class.
Intelligent Design theorists are not Creationists.

Which one are you against? Make up your mind.

If you don't know the difference, shut your stupid mouth about it.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

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#157044 Feb 27, 2013
Atheist Silurist wrote:
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion,they are not entitled to their own facts.
Intelligent design can't be demonstrated scientifically,evolutionary biology can and is.
Intelligent design is a creationist ploy to get religious superstitious bollocks into the science class,and anyone who can't see that is either willfully ignorant or downright thick.
What are you afraid of?

Kids might actually reject evolution?

If evolution canít stand on itís own merit and science then it can stand at all.

In that case you should be worried.

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#157045 Feb 27, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> There is no belief in evolution, you can be educated in it and have understanding, or be ignorant and deny it.
This is like an argument with a child, if you keep asking maybe you will get a different answer. No Eagle evolution is not a belief, it is the study about what happened on Earth with life.
It doesn't answer if god created life, it answers what happened to the living creatures since the first known life existed here.
It wont matter how much you think it's a belief, and if your god shows up he would have to tell you it is what happened to life on Earth.
Evolution theory relies on the origin of life being spontaneous abiogenesis. Darwin admitted that himself. To admit otherwise is to admit the non-necessity of the purely material sequence of events.

And evolution may or may not require belief, depending on which definition of "evolution" you are referring to.

There are about 9 definitions in scientific literature. The simplest is "fact". The more elaborate ones are speculative.

The elasticity of the term is what you are utilizing when you present it in black and white terms.

In other fields, that is called "propaganda".

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#157046 Feb 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I do.
Last time I witnessed you elaborate on the subject, you did not.

I don't know if you've educated yourself since.

Specifically, you could not understand, or chose not to understand, that the Intelligent Design hypothesis does not postulate, nor needs to postulate, nor implies, nor alludes to, nor needs to allude to, a deity.

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