Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Feb 27, 2013
 
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Sounds just like the earth with 6 more months of fossil fuels, according to well-placed liberals.
You have mastered hyperbole.

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The_Box wrote:
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No, they don't.
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Most do not, no.
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Agnosticism covers a different topic altogether. You use crappy definitions and then complain about atheists "diluting" meanings when we refine the definitions to make them more clear and applicable to the stances people actually hold.
You don't know what you're talking about, Botox.

The positive claim of theism is that a god exists.

The positive claim of atheism is that no god exists.

Agnosticism on the subject is neutrality on both claims.

I use actual definitions of actual words. You use distortions of those words to free one side from any burden of proof.

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"Thank you for writing to us about the entry on atheism and
agnosticism. We have received messages about this issue before and
are continuing to consider whether and how the entry might be adjusted.

Traditionally speaking, the definition in our entry--that 'atheism'
means the denial of the existence of god.

In our understanding, the argument for this broader notion was
introduced into the philosophical literature by Antony Flew in "The
Presumption of Atheism" (1972). In that work, he noted that he was
using an etymological argument to try to convince people *not* to
follow the *standard meaning* of the term. His goal was to reframe
the debate about the existence of God and to re-brand "atheism" as a
default position.

Not everyone has been convinced to use the term in Flew's way simply
on the force of his argument. For some, who consider themselves
atheists in the traditional sense, Flew's efforts seemed to be an
attempt to water down a perfectly good concept. For others, who
consider themselves agnostics in the traditional sense, Flew's efforts
seemed to be an attempt to re-label them "atheists" -- a term they
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Feb 27, 2013
 
Aerobatty wrote:
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Ask and ye shall receive.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-...
Thank you, very interesting indeed. How microbes can be revived after living in a inhospitable place like the moon.

My thoughts turned again towards Mars. How can such a Earth like planet not have one Martian microbe? No bacteria has been found as the rovers traverse the planet.

We may have planted some there like we did on the moon inadvertently.

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Feb 27, 2013
 
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously he could say the same for you.
Really? How?

I've had many opportunities in the past to chat with you and this has given me insight on your extremme lack of knowledge of the bible. To show everybody including myself I'll prove your lack of knowledge on the bible. When was the Catholic church and the Church of Christ established?
It's not relevant which came first.

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Feb 27, 2013
 
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text>I've had many opportunities in the past to chat with you and this has given me insight on your extremme lack of knowledge of the bible. To show everybody including myself I'll prove your lack of knowledge on the bible. When was the Catholic church and the Church of Christ established?
Also, what does knowledge about the contents of the Bible have to do with when one or the other church was established?

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Feb 27, 2013
 
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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One minute you say that we are fighting against something that we don't believe in and then the next minute you are tell us that we believe in god, we just don't want to follow his rules.
Which is it?
You tell me, your the Atheist.

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Oh I see. Science doesn't "prove" anything, but it has proven that emotions exist even though it can't say where they come from or why we have them.
Gotcha.
I don't see why that stumps you. Proving that something exists doesn't necessarily mean you also know everything about how it operates and what it's origin is.

And it's not as if science knows nothing about where emotions come from or why we have them. Emotions originate in the brain, and we have them as a result of chemical reactions in the body, for starters.

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Feb 27, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I'm not. There's plenty of proof out there to know that the Bible is accurate.
Not objective proof, no.
I'm only making a comparison, that a lot of you Topix atheists say there's no scientific proof of God which means there is no God. But none of you acknowledge the fact that we have emotions even thought they can't be scientifically proven either.
Well, as has been explained to you already, there is a great deal of scientific proof for the emotions and how they operate, so that's not really a good comparison, is it?

There is a reason religion is referred to as faith. It's because there is no objective evidence to substantiate them. If you and your family/friends want to believe in whatever god(s) you like, knock yourselves out. Just don't be surprised when you receive ridicule for dressing up faith as fact.

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Feb 27, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
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Thank you, very interesting indeed. How microbes can be revived after living in a inhospitable place like the moon.
My thoughts turned again towards Mars. How can such a Earth like planet not have one Martian microbe? No bacteria has been found as the rovers traverse the planet.
We may have planted some there like we did on the moon inadvertently.
We don't know if they are there or not yet.
The theme is , we will go out through the galaxy in search of life hoping we will find it. But if we do not find it, we will engineer it and spread it throughout the galaxy. Therefore life is throughout
the galaxy.

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Feb 27, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
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Thank you, very interesting indeed. How microbes can be revived after living in a inhospitable place like the moon.
My thoughts turned again towards Mars. How can such a Earth like planet not have one Martian microbe? No bacteria has been found as the rovers traverse the planet.
We may have planted some there like we did on the moon inadvertently.
NASA sterilizes spacecraft now.

Keep in mind the exceedingly tiny area of Mars that we've actually looked at closeup.

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Feb 27, 2013
 
wilderide wrote:
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Not objective proof, no.
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Well, as has been explained to you already, there is a great deal of scientific proof for the emotions and how they operate, so that's not really a good comparison, is it?
There is a reason religion is referred to as faith. It's because there is no objective evidence to substantiate them. If you and your family/friends want to believe in whatever god(s) you like, knock yourselves out. Just don't be surprised when you receive ridicule for dressing up faith as fact.
Ridicule from who?

A very small, noisy, and obviously mentally disturbed group posting on Topix as intellectual atheists?

You have to do better than that.

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Feb 27, 2013
 
wilderide wrote:
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Not objective proof, no.
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Well, as has been explained to you already, there is a great deal of scientific proof for the emotions and how they operate, so that's not really a good comparison, is it?
There is a reason religion is referred to as faith. It's because there is no objective evidence to substantiate them. If you and your family/friends want to believe in whatever god(s) you like, knock yourselves out. Just don't be surprised when you receive ridicule for dressing up faith as fact.
Ridicule?!?

Oh, no. Please don't ridicule me.

Ok, ok, ok, I'll turn atheist. Just don't ridicule me.

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Hey, if I turn atheist, can I still come on here and post incessantly about God even though I claim to not believe He exists?

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Feb 27, 2013
 
Aura Mytha wrote:
It's minus 270 in the shade,+250 degrees in the sun.
You've met my ex-wife, huh?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ridicule?!?
Oh, no. Please don't ridicule me.
Ok, ok, ok, I'll turn atheist. Just don't ridicule me.
'_'
Hey, if I turn atheist, can I still come on here and post incessantly about God even though I claim to not believe He exists?
I hope I can find the article again, but I just read something the other day that may prove these Topix atheists right.

Since there is a genetic link to monkeys, scientists did some experiments and crossed a gorilla and a Topix atheist.

Guess what they got?

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Feb 27, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You've met my ex-wife, huh?
LOL She's a extremophile huh?

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Feb 27, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I hope I can find the article again, but I just read something the other day that may prove these Topix atheists right.
Since there is a genetic link to monkeys, scientists did some experiments and crossed a gorilla and a Topix atheist.
Guess what they got?
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Feb 27, 2013
 
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Buck?
No. A retarded gorilla.

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Feb 27, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
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You tell me, your the Atheist.
And you're the idiot that contradicts himself.

Now that we have our rolls straight; WTF are you talking about?

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Feb 27, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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My dog doesn't get angry when I take his bone or toys, he gets excited and wants me to throw them.
I'll just let you go back to Stupidville. You seem comfortable there.

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Feb 27, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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No. A retarded gorilla.

Oh yeah I remember now....Bongo.

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