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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Jan 13

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#156221 Feb 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Again your twisting the meanings of words and playing these mental gymnastic two penny word games does not show evidence for a god. Only what is observable and testable is self evident.
Humanity created god as a comfort measure or as a device to explain what they didn't understand. Yet humanity is growing up and the time has come to put away childish things.
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How do you "absolutely" know that man created a "god"?

You keep making absolute knowledge claims.

Yet you are an atheist and cannot know anything if you are true to atheism.

The Christian can point out that God who knows everything has revealed certain truths absolutely, he can account for Truth, which is self attesting.

You can only "know" something absolutely if you know everything or the One who knows everything reveals it to you.

As it is obvious the first is not the case.

Then only the second is left, which of course is the Truth.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#156222 Feb 24, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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You have the power to change the definition of words and change the words of your god! Goddamn, you are the man!
No.

You simply do not understand what biblical faith is.

The false atheistic misrepresentation of faith, which atheists themselves practice (a blind optimism that they can know they unknowable), is not Christian faith.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#156223 Feb 24, 2013
That is not what he said and you know it. What we do know is you come on here bleating your Eric Hovind arguments, close your eyes and run away when presented with reason. Again two penny word games, twisting the meaning of words and obfuscating what people said does not show proof for god. In fact you resorting to such childish tactics proves you know there is no real proof which is why you employ such word games.
mtimber wrote:
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You know "ALL THINGS".
That is your argument?

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#156224 Feb 24, 2013
Goofy iPhone lol! You must demonstrate there is a god before you can assign attributes to it.
Givemeliberty wrote:
Why? You must demonstrate proof there is avid before you can assign attributes to it.
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“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#156225 Feb 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
It is really hilarious when you have these modern physics experts such as Poly tell you there is no deity because they haven't found one. Not that they were looking for one. So just sit back and take their assurances there is no deity, they are the experts in the matter, and ignore the fact they have made many huge mistakes in their past and continuing determinations of how things work. But they will sing to high heaven the minor predictions they make with their Holy Math worship.

Like I said before, they are just another sect of number worshipers and their high priests that go back a very long ways.
They haven't wasted time looking.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#156226 Feb 24, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Again, is there any evidence for the Big Bang?
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If I said yes, there would be no way for you to prove me wrong, because you weren't there to not see me there.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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No, yes!
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You are saying that there is no evidence for the Big Bang!
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You are saying that there is no evidence for the Big Bang and you want to be taken seriously? Seriously?
You are just playing little word games. You are not really stupid enough to claim absolutely that there is no evidence of the Big Bang!
Lot’s of evidence for a “Big Bang.”

All you have to do is hold your ear about 24 inches from the barrel of a 12 gauge shotgun., Be sure to stay clear of the line of fire. Then have someone pull the trigger with a 3” magnum load.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#156227 Feb 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You know "ALL THINGS".
That is your argument?
No (and thanks for the randomly bizarre capitalization).

My argument is:

There is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof of any god's existence.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#156228 Feb 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Again your twisting the meanings of words and playing these mental gymnastic two penny word games does not show evidence for a god. Only what is observable and testable is self evident.
Humanity created god as a comfort measure or as a device to explain what they didn't understand. Yet humanity is growing up and the time has come to put away childish things.
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No you're wrong, humanity created toilet paper as a comfort measure. God created us, we didn't create him.

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#156229 Feb 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Pluto can be observed empirically with the aid of a telescope...
The big bang cannot.
False analogy...
Sure it can, to within half a billion years it is directly observed. That's 500 million doll.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#156230 Feb 24, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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La Toya Jackson, lol.:)
Wake up.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#156231 Feb 24, 2013
They rely on.. God is real cause I said so! Lmfao!
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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That is strictly forbidden in their mythology!

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#156232 Feb 24, 2013
Toilet paper was invented for hygienic purposes Daffy. Humanity created god as a comfort measure and explanation devise. Humanity is growing up and more and more realize it's time to put away childish things.
Eagle12 wrote:
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No you're wrong, humanity created toilet paper as a comfort measure. God created us, we didn't create him.
blacklagoon

Jamaica Plain, MA

#156233 Feb 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Your moral and spiritual beliefs, which is what you are expressing, could not arise from random collections of matter. Those beliefs arise from religious training. Religions started a very long time ago. Very simply put, your thinking is a product of age old religious belief. That is how those morals and concepts of man were codified.
Your kneejerk rejection of religions is an emotional issue, not one of truly rational thought. Rational thought would reveal the importance and total integration of spiritual belief that exists in human existence. A religion does not have to be accurate in its accounts of creation or existence of a creator, but its spiritual aspect, and holding man's ego in check by having a higher authority to answer to is most important for mankind on the whole. It is a check and balance against a network of people who gain absolute physical control of the population. Such leads to a small group forcing their beliefs, which will be in error, on the whole, stifling creativity and advancement in thought. Those people do not become gods you must follow. Once a group like that gets established, their prime directive is staying in power and control, not the advancement of mankind. On ecan look at your posting ans thought processes and see how if you gained control, your ego would lead you to do exactly as I have said. Man's greatest weakness is when he feels he is the one in the know and in power.
It's astonishing what you simply chose to ignore. You have avoided addressing the dead composers having their music played, you avoided your horrid views of mankind and your total lack of passions, and a life devoid of elegance, grace, and seeking out the very best in life as well as art. You also have avoided what it is that you leave behind and of what importance your life has been.

Instead you ramble on and on about spiritual matters, try with all your might to connect morality and my personal beliefs with religion. You are so shallow that you can't imagine someone who's thoughts and actions are totally devoid of religious beliefs. I have NO spiritual beliefs. I don't accept the concept of "spirit." the non-physical part of man. My emotions and character are a result of my life's experiences coupled with the knowledge I have gained about the world around me, and not because of some religious Voodoo.

You seem to look upon ego and knowing, as a detriment. You relish in the "herd" mentality of religion. You think being part of the "herd" being a member of the "flock" one "sheep" among many is virtuous. Seeking knowledge, raising above the herd, building your ego, being proud of your accomplishments, striving to be the best you can be, better than those around you, those are worthy goals.

"Holding mans ego in check and being answerable to a higher power." What bullish. This is the power that religion seeks to weld over man. BORN SICK AND COMMANDED TO BE WELL. The nuts and bolts of religion. Keep the sheep under our thumb. Make them know that a celestial dictator can peer into their most private thoughts and convict them of thought crimes. Cower to this imaginary being, spend your life under his thumb and you will be rewarded by never truly dying. You can live forever. Kiss Gods ass, remain a member of the herd and all will be well. The phrase "Member of the flock" tells me all I need to know about the mindset of religion. And you buy into it, go down without a whimper, totally subjugated by an imaginary being, grazing with the herd, your pitiful fool.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#156234 Feb 24, 2013
Again you are relying on obfuscation. You are flailing and failing because of it. All proof shows man created god as a comfort measure and explanation devise. We see this in every culture that has deities time and time again. Can you demonstrate proof otherwise?

No you can't. See I can show evidence of my argument. Actual secular historical proof as well as what believers themselves eagerly say. I don't need two penny word games where I twist the meaning of words, obfuscate what people say, or assign properties to a deity that I haven't established is even there!

You want to talk about the laws of logic yet assign properties to this god that you can't demonstrate is there! How more illogical can you get?

See your bullsht word games are just childish things. Time to grow up.
mtimber wrote:
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How do you "absolutely" know that man created a "god"?
You keep making absolute knowledge claims.
Yet you are an atheist and cannot know anything if you are true to atheism.
The Christian can point out that God who knows everything has revealed certain truths absolutely, he can account for Truth, which is self attesting.
You can only "know" something absolutely if you know everything or the One who knows everything reveals it to you.
As it is obvious the first is not the case.
Then only the second is left, which of course is the Truth.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#156235 Feb 24, 2013
He has no proof so relies heavily on Eric Hovind style obfuscation.
Just Think wrote:
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No (and thanks for the randomly bizarre capitalization).
My argument is:
There is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof of any god's existence.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#156236 Feb 24, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
Some things never change.
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/02/22/sci...
Scientists search for the 'unparticle'
It's a good time to be a particle physicist. The long-sought Higgs boson particle seems finally to have been found at an accelerator in Geneva, and scientists are now hot on the trail of another tiny piece of the universe, this one tied to a new fundamental force of nature.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/24/world/europe/sc...
Scotland's archbishop contests "inappropriate behavior" claim
(CNN)-- Scotland's Roman Catholic archbishop is contesting accusations of "inappropriate behavior" with priests, claims leveled as Cardinal Keith O'Brien prepares to join the conclave that will choose a new pope.
http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/...

That is how the proton was discovered. More accurately, how it was "deduced" to exist.

This was all based on total electrical charges.

That quantity became an assumed standard.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/pa...

That was the discovery of the neutron. Note how it too was "deduced"

There are issues also about the electron as a "particle".

Noting "observed". All deduced and assumed.

The proton and neutron are about 1836 times the mass of the electron.

Again "deduced" and assumed.

Various other "particles" have been "deduced" that make up the proton and neutron.

Lots of changes over the years resulting in "new particles" to fill in the holes of these "deduced".

The Higg's Boson is about 30-40 times the mass of the proton or neutron.

How could they have missed that?

Because they were wrong to begin with in their assumptions from their deductions.

They ignored how nature flows in the pursuit of a math model. It is quite evident in the technology derived from the applied sciences. As I have tried to point out, they took the physics out of physics and replaced it with math.

Theoretical physics, and disciplines that use their info, are heading down a blind alley. Thankfully, it is the applied physics people that create the stuff we use, and make the important discoveries.
christianity is EVIL

West Pubnico, Canada

#156237 Feb 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Pluto can be observed empirically with the aid of a telescope...
The big bang cannot.
False analogy...
youre LYING,you must be xian

Evidence for BB

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Big_Bang

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#156238 Feb 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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No.
You simply do not understand what biblical faith is.
The false atheistic misrepresentation of faith, which atheists themselves practice (a blind optimism that they can know they unknowable), is not Christian faith.
Wait, your deity's knowable?

Post his E-mail addy, will ya?

We can clear this whole thing up in no time at all.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#156239 Feb 24, 2013
Did your preacher email you that? Hey Buck was bragging about how well you nailed his chunky @ss. So glad you two found each other. Buck will make a lovely chunky bride for our resident George Burns look alike. Sorry the Higg's boson went beyond magnets and strings Dave that just have upset you to no end.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/...
That is how the proton was discovered. More accurately, how it was "deduced" to exist.
This was all based on total electrical charges.
That quantity became an assumed standard.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/pa...
That was the discovery of the neutron. Note how it too was "deduced"
There are issues also about the electron as a "particle".
Noting "observed". All deduced and assumed.
The proton and neutron are about 1836 times the mass of the electron.
Again "deduced" and assumed.
Various other "particles" have been "deduced" that make up the proton and neutron.
Lots of changes over the years resulting in "new particles" to fill in the holes of these "deduced".
The Higg's Boson is about 30-40 times the mass of the proton or neutron.
How could they have missed that?
Because they were wrong to begin with in their assumptions from their deductions.
They ignored how nature flows in the pursuit of a math model. It is quite evident in the technology derived from the applied sciences. As I have tried to point out, they took the physics out of physics and replaced it with math.
Theoretical physics, and disciplines that use their info, are heading down a blind alley. Thankfully, it is the applied physics people that create the stuff we use, and make the important discoveries.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#156240 Feb 24, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Wake up.
Dude.......?

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