Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Years ago when AGW was coming to the forefront and I read about the increased water vapor in the air I predicted storms would get more violent and patterns would change for one simple physics reason. More mass in the air. A 40 mph wind will blow harder because it is now carrying more weight. But the real change is that increased mass gives more for external energy to work on. Sunlight and other sources of energy have more water molecules to expand. he you have the energy effects of cooling. This is going to shift the prevailing patterns. They will never go back to what they were because a long process of change was kicked into gear. Man's activities were not the only, or necessarily the major reason for this change to be initiated. But men jumped on it and turned something that is natural in the long run into a religious fervor that would ultimately put money in their pockets. Instead of preparing for changes, revenue generation for private corporations and investors were proposed. Scientists were bought on all sides to support contentions. Hysteria was being induced for profit.

The theistic approach is you live with the changes, as it is the will of a greater power. It is all just following the will of nature.

The atheist/"scientific" approach was to instill that hysteria and make a profit from it.

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Your moral and spiritual beliefs, which is what you are expressing, could not arise from random collections of matter. Those beliefs arise from religious training. Religions started a very long time ago. Very simply put, your thinking is a product of age old religious belief. That is how those morals and concepts of man were codified.
Your kneejerk rejection of religions is an emotional issue, not one of truly rational thought. Rational thought would reveal the importance and total integration of spiritual belief that exists in human existence. A religion does not have to be accurate in its accounts of creation or existence of a creator, but its spiritual aspect, and holding man's ego in check by having a higher authority to answer to is most important for mankind on the whole. It is a check and balance against a network of people who gain absolute physical control of the population. Such leads to a small group forcing their beliefs, which will be in error, on the whole, stifling creativity and advancement in thought. Those people do not become gods you must follow. Once a group like that gets established, their prime directive is staying in power and control, not the advancement of mankind. On ecan look at your posting ans thought processes and see how if you gained control, your ego would lead you to do exactly as I have said. Man's greatest weakness is when he feels he is the one in the know and in power.
You nailed it again, Dave.

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It's long overdue but it is finally on the right path to equality.
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It was never about "equality".

It was about "endorsement".

Equality was already in force - a gay person could not marry another of the same sex, and neither could a straight person.

That's equality. The agenda is "endorsement".

Left-wingers are great at shrouding their agenda in nice-sounding words - like "equality".

See: Changing "gun control" to "gun violence control".

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The EM effect is the basis of all interaction and perception in the world you live in.

Why are physicists so stuck on gravity and refuse to follow those processes in greater detail?

Electrical engineers have affected your world much more than gravity based physics theorists. At least you got more return on your dollar.

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River Tam wrote:
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I'm homosexual. I just am. I couldn't help it, Eagle. It wasn't a choice.
Am I damned?
No. Not unless stupidity is damning.
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Dave Nelson wrote:
http://endlessjrny.blogspot.co m/2013/02/what-is-going-on-and -why-i-am-moving-to.html
Years ago when AGW was coming to the forefront and I read about the increased water vapor in the air I predicted storms would get more violent and patterns would change for one simple physics reason. More mass in the air. A 40 mph wind will blow harder because it is now carrying more weight. But the real change is that increased mass gives more for external energy to work on. Sunlight and other sources of energy have more water molecules to expand. he you have the energy effects of cooling. This is going to shift the prevailing patterns. They will never go back to what they were because a long process of change was kicked into gear. Man's activities were not the only, or necessarily the major reason for this change to be initiated. But men jumped on it and turned something that is natural in the long run into a religious fervor that would ultimately put money in their pockets. Instead of preparing for changes, revenue generation for private corporations and investors were proposed. Scientists were bought on all sides to support contentions. Hysteria was being induced for profit.
The theistic approach is you live with the changes, as it is the will of a greater power. It is all just following the will of nature.
The atheist/"scientific" approach was to instill that hysteria and make a profit from it.
Atheists do not care which deity you choose to worship. We do not believe in deities or any religions that support these imaginary beings. Science is expanding, and with it our vision of the universe. Although this new and constantly changing view may not always give us comfort, it does have the virtue of truth according to our most effective resources for acquiring knowledge.

Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the incomprehensible, the unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains.

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http://endlessjrny.blogspot.co m/2013/02/what-is-going-on-and -why-i-am-moving-to.html
Years ago when AGW was coming to the forefront and I read about the increased water vapor in the air I predicted storms would get more violent and patterns would change for one simple physics reason. More mass in the air. A 40 mph wind will blow harder because it is now carrying more weight. But the real change is that increased mass gives more for external energy to work on. Sunlight and other sources of energy have more water molecules to expand. he you have the energy effects of cooling. This is going to shift the prevailing patterns. They will never go back to what they were because a long process of change was kicked into gear. Man's activities were not the only, or necessarily the major reason for this change to be initiated. But men jumped on it and turned something that is natural in the long run into a religious fervor that would ultimately put money in their pockets. Instead of preparing for changes, revenue generation for private corporations and investors were proposed. Scientists were bought on all sides to support contentions. Hysteria was being induced for profit.
The theistic approach is you live with the changes, as it is the will of a greater power. It is all just following the will of nature.
The atheist/"scientific" approach was to instill that hysteria and make a profit from it.
They love evolution, except for certain things. Then they hate it.
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I'm homosexual. I just am. I couldn't help it, Eagle. It wasn't a choice.
Am I damned?
Of course not... you are among 10-13% of the earths population.
I ignore those to obtuse to understand homosexuality.

Know GOD?
"Know" nothing.
No GOD?
No Problem...

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I know, you christians are despicable for supporting the porn industry.
The atheist-founded ACLU supports distribution of not just pornography, but of child pornography, and has gone to court to say so. They have sent their lawyers to argue for NAMBLA and free distribution of kiddie-porn in a case where it led to the murder of a child by a pedophile.

Look it up, moron.

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CunningLinguist wrote:
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Atheists do not care which deity you choose to worship. We do not believe in deities or any religions that support these imaginary beings. Science is expanding, and with it our vision of the universe. Although this new and constantly changing view may not always give us comfort, it does have the virtue of truth according to our most effective resources for acquiring knowledge.
Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the incomprehensible, the unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains.
The modern scientific method, and the biggest advances, started under the Church.

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River Tam wrote:
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What is the reward?
I already have my life. Is there something else?
No. There is nothing else. You are the totality of the universe.

Congratulations.

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River Tam wrote:
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Been there.
When I stand in front of the saviour and he asks me: "Are you worthy of being in Heaven?"
I'll say, "I'm just here for your leg."
Little one, atheists don't believe in deities.

Why do you display such an anger against a non-existent deity when it was random chance and reactions that cost you your leg? Was Jesus driving that car?

You are a beautiful young woman with a lot of soul and intelligence. Without that leg missing you would just be another one of millions. With that leg missing you become more unique and precious. If danger appears and you had two legs, you would run for your life by yourself. With one leg you will have a huge crowd gather about you to protect you.

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Buck Crick wrote:
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They love evolution, except for certain things. Then they hate it.
They have head issues.

Inferior product unless they can overcome them.

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Works of fiction don't do anything other than entertain. Humanity created your God. They did this for when they felt alone, sad, or felt awestruck and wonder at what they saw but didn't have the answers to explain it away.
Humanity is now growing up and it is time to put away childish things.
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What humanity does or does not "create" for comfort has no bearing whatsoever on whether there is actually a god.

A god or higher power could exist, and humans could also invent something more or less similar, or not similar at all. Or, humans could discern from the best of a frail intuitiveness certain things about the nature of this god, and be somewhat correct. Nobody knows, certainly not you.

Your argument is entirely empty and irrelevant as to whether there exists a higher creating power, as in "a god".

You lack the basic tools of logic to comment intelligently on such existential questions, reducing you to meaningless commentary and spiteful bluster. This places you in the majority of atheist on these posts. If it's any comfort, some are even dumber than you.

Hope this is helpful to you.

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Send your daughter to me. I abort them up to 9 months!
The Roman Empire was doing pretty well, until them damned christians took over.
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The modern scientific method, and the biggest advances, started under the Church.
"I don't think we're here for anything, we're just products of evolution. You can say 'Gee, your life must be pretty bleak if you don't think there's a purpose' but I'm anticipating a good lunch." ~James Watson (Discoverer of DNA)

“The biggest advantage to believing in God is you don't have to understand anything, no physics, no biology... I wanted to understand.”~James Watson

“Science improves with time. Religion improves by dying out.”~Quandong Loonata

you are late for church DAVID

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Yes, and every walk of life works together to eliminate slavery in all forms.
Not really. Here in the U.S., the government determines that if you work, you must work a portion of the year for the federal government, and they get to set the percentage.

Involuntary servitude. That's slavery.

That's also why the founders specified in the Constitution that this would not be permitted.

Then came liberalism.

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Or incorrect gravity calculations, which the creation of dark matter would make the numbers crunch to make them "right". Easier than getting a different take on how things work.
Alternative theories of gravity were also tried. For example, MOND and TeVeS. None of the alternatives have been able to make predictions agreeing with observations. Even MOND, for example, requires dark matter to agree with observations.
How things should work versus how they do work. That is the difference between a math head physicist and a real physicist.
And if you can come up with a *detailed* alternative theory that explains the observed phenomena, then you will be listened to. But a *detailed* theory will have to give precise mathematical predictions that can be tested. Your dismissal of math simply means you refuse to use the language required to really understand the universe.

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Buck Crick wrote:
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No. Not unless stupidity is damning.
Ain't you lucky for that!! You WAGs kill me! lol!

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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It is all based upon the identification and definition of the physical forces from long ago. All formulas and expectations are based on those. Very simply, the observations at that time may have been close approximations good for the time and total knowledge for the time, but they have failed as knowledge has advanced. If they failed, they are wrong. The basic model needs revamping.
You seem to think that hasn't been tried. It has. In multiple ways. It has failed.
The only claim they can give for "detecting" dark matter, or even the normal nuclear particles, is because of old math models. They really haven't "seen" this stuff. Just measurements on a dial calibrated to the old models.
There is a lot of bullshit in theoretical physics.
Even alternative models of gravity require dark matter in order to agree with observations. You seem to think that nobody has thought of the possibility that our model of gravity is wrong. The problem is finding a model of gravity that agrees with the observations. In particular, the measurements we have at the level of the solar system don't allow much flexibility away from the standard model. That is a very tight constraint on any alternative models. Then, to get the velocity data from stars in other galaxies to agree *also* restricts the possible models even further. If we then require that the model agree with observations from colliding galactic clusters (like the Bullet Cluster), things get even harder because the gravitational effects aren't localized to where the matter is. Finally, getting the whole thing to agree with the cosmic background radiation data has excluded all proposed alternative theories of gravity that do not include dark matter (it is possible some of the alternatives work when dark matter is included).
The real knowledge will come from R&D in existing technology, not those guys.
There are many lines of we can use to increase understanding.

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