Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Feb 22, 2013
 
What do "NDE's" posses?
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...NDE's...

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Feb 22, 2013
 
Aerobatty wrote:
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Nope.
But if she did it out loud, I'd tell her to do it silently.
And if she prayed instead of rendering medical assistance, I'd have her fired.
I agree with the last sentence.

What if she refused to pray silently? Would you be offended then?

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Feb 22, 2013
 
Existence in this physical manifestation is really kind if weird. Such a strange mix of perceptions.

A pussy is not the most aesthetically beautiful physical form in this world to the human brain, but one in front of a normal male is the most beautiful thing in the world, at least for that period of time.

Same phenomenon may go for other ideas and thingies.

Life is indeed complex.

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Feb 22, 2013
 
Buck Crick wrote:
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You are not a scientist, and know nothing about it.
"Dr. Alexander's neuroscience career taught him that near-death-experiences are brain based illusions, and yet his personal experience left him dumbstruck. His honest struggle to make sense of this unforgettable journey is a gripping story, unique in the literature of spiritual experiences, that may well change how we understand our role in the universe."
-Bruce Greyson, M.D., co-editor of "The Handbook of Near Death Experiences"
Scares the shit out of you, huh?
Careful....

Koder's gonna fire back the typical atheist dumb shit response:

"You obviously don't understand. I'm atheist so I'm smert."

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Feb 22, 2013
 
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No, you just ignore the research of neurology.
LMMFAO!

See?
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Feb 22, 2013
 

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Dave Nelson wrote:
If one does an analysis of Topix atheist posts you will find that one common thread. They need to be shown hard proof.
They require their brains to be filled. They require "education". That is what that "proof" is all about.
Evidently they lack the ability to investigate and reason on their own. Oh, they can run their mouths and suffer delusions, but they are lacking a key component of being individual.
So much for wanting them to be the guiding lights of humanity.
It is a groupthink mentality.
Same sort one finds in north korea, or was found in the former commie nations.
The east abandoned communism but their acolytes in the west havent caught up yet

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Feb 22, 2013
 
Buck Crick wrote:
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Wrong.
NDE's are not well-understood, and have no current scientific explanation.
Your explanation offered here is of no use. NDE's bear practically no resemblance to hallucinations.
The way neuroscience deals with it is to explain certain neural correlates that take place in the brain, then claim they explained the phenomenon.
They lie, in other words.
They provide good explanations which you reject in favor of absurd appeals to religious beliefs.

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Feb 22, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
A large enough CME at the right time can change that flux field enough to initiate the roll.
Not even close. The sizes of the magnetic fields compared to the mass of the earth and the angular momentum are not large enough to produce an effect like this.

This is where precision comes in. The magnetic force can be 'large' by every day standards and still be way, way too small to cause a polar shift. CMEs can affect *sensitive* electronics equipment, but they don't produce polar shifts. The first produces motion in some electrons which are very lightweight. The second would require and absolutely HUGE force for even a small shift.

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Feb 22, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/ha arp/ion4.html
Scientific obfuscation and contradiction, bullshit, for the advancement of science.
Note what it does, then the claim it has no lasting effect.
Which goes totally against the laws of conservation and thermodynamics.
Pump a little hot air into a cold room and the temp increases over all due to dissipation. Keep adding and it gets warmer. You have to have something drawing the heat off to return to its original state. That drawing off just sends it somewhere else. Energy transfer is a chain reaction phenomenon on the universal scale. It is called rationalization to say you have not changed something after you change something. That, or your changing is just part of that overall universal process. Which means no "free will" as you like to perceive it.
Science is just as capable of deluding itself as any other religion.
Lighting a candle introduces some hot air into the room, but the overall effect on the atmosphere goes away pretty quickly when the candle is blown out. More specifically, the heat gets dispersed and rarefied so the total effect is so small that it cannot be measured.

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Feb 22, 2013
 
Buck Crick wrote:
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You are not a scientist, and know nothing about it.
"Dr. Alexander's neuroscience career taught him that near-death-experiences are brain based illusions, and yet his personal experience left him dumbstruck. His honest struggle to make sense of this unforgettable journey is a gripping story, unique in the literature of spiritual experiences, that may well change how we understand our role in the universe."
-Bruce Greyson, M.D., co-editor of "The Handbook of Near Death Experiences"
Scares the shit out of you, huh?
So, Dr. Alexander constructs memories after his experience in order to sell his book. Such convincing "evidence".

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Hey Dave.
Do you really expect dumbshit atheists who think you can count to infinity to understand a NDE?
Your experience likely helped shape your point of view, I would imagine. Same as it has for thousands of others.
It sure changed the atheist neurosurgeon, Eben Alexander, M.D.- "Proof of Heaven", Simon and Shuster.
I really envy his experience.

Mine was like a very powerful beast awakened from a deep hibernation, peeking out from a cave, and seeing searchlights looking for me by something I didn't want to find me. Kinda scared me back to sleep, and ultimately back here.

Kinda hoping I can plead amnesia or something when whatever it was catches me. I must of have done something wrong a long time ago a long ways from here.

Sincerely, that was the sense upon waking up out there.

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Feb 22, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
There were physical damages that affected my normal brain processes, which were on a very high level, that I had to learn to work around.
So the damage to the brain produced or was caused by the same things as the hallucinations. And you conclude there is a supernatural from this?? Really? Did you ever consider that your perceptions might have been off because of the damage?

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Feb 22, 2013
 
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Lighting a candle introduces some hot air into the room, but the overall effect on the atmosphere goes away pretty quickly when the candle is blown out. More specifically, the heat gets dispersed and rarefied so the total effect is so small that it cannot be measured.
For that locale. That started a ripple throughout the universe, which will ultimately return as a transformed ripple, and may even have been caused by other.

The laws of conservation and thermodynamics are supposed to be very fixed. Are you saying you can do a cause with no effects?

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Feb 22, 2013
 
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They provide good explanations which you reject in favor of absurd appeals to religious beliefs.
How do you know (or why do you believe) that they don't provide a good explanation FOR said beliefs?

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Feb 22, 2013
 
The_Box wrote:
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So, Dr. Alexander constructs memories after his experience in order to sell his book. Such convincing "evidence".
Most religious nuts don't know what evidence actually is, they think they can just make things up as they go and that it counts as evidence.
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Feb 22, 2013
 
DebJ wrote:
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Then again, maybe they don't! What manifestations are you talking about anyway? Revelations....show proof of just one, just one.
I don't think I'm terribly unique and yes we are all tiny specks in a very large universe. What's your point? It's the cristians who think they are so special that they can walk on streets of gold for all eternity. When it comes to feeble minds, speak only for yourself.
Real Christians are supposed to be the most humble, most loving, and most forgiving people on the earth. When they are acting otherwise they are either not Christian, or are doing what comes naturally for most of us and usually that is sin. We were born with a sinful nature.
Christians don't think WE are special. We just know that Christ paid a high price for us to have the promise and belief of Heaven.
We don't deserve Heaven, we have just made a conscious decision to humble ourselves and accept the gift Christ died to give us. It is just that easy for anyone to go to Heaven. You just have to accept and believe. I think it takes giving up your pride to believe in Christ.
Dont judge because we never know a persons heart, motives, or what they may be going through. Talk to a person. It won't take long for you to get some idea of what is in their heart.

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So the damage to the brain produced or was caused by the same things as the hallucinations. And you conclude there is a supernatural from this?? Really? Did you ever consider that your perceptions might have been off because of the damage?
Poly, I am no where as prone to the fanciful as you. I am very much cause and effect, and not a believer in virtual particles.

All of your observations are based upon the outside looking in. Mirrors. Mine was done from the inside out. The other side of the mirror.

You have no idea how much assumption your logic is based upon. Like I have pointed out before, we are existing here on a ground plane within a much larger range of power and energies. Your Big Bang and universe is the ground plane. It is a relativity thing. Your perceptions and logic may apply to the physical as we know it, but it is stuck in the box. Don't hold them to be ultimate truths.

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How do you know (or why do you believe) that they don't provide a good explanation FOR said beliefs?
That wasn't what I said. What I said was that it requires one to reject superior natural explanations.

If we heard a noise in your attic and I told you that it sounds just like the noise raccoons make in attics, and you countered by saying the noise could be caused by the burps of Magic Attic Gnomes, no reasonable person would accept your explanation over mine because you are making unnecessary appeals to things we don't even know exist.

That being said, the cultural dependence of many aspects of NDEs is evidence against it being an objective afterlife experience. People's reports of their experiences strongly match up with their pre-existing expectations. For example, Christians sometimes see Jesus, while Hindus sometimes see Hindu deities. That shouldn't occur.

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Poly, I am no where as prone to the fanciful as you. I am very much cause and effect, and not a believer in virtual particles.
All of your observations are based upon the outside looking in. Mirrors. Mine was done from the inside out. The other side of the mirror.
You have no idea how much assumption your logic is based upon. Like I have pointed out before, we are existing here on a ground plane within a much larger range of power and energies. Your Big Bang and universe is the ground plane. It is a relativity thing. Your perceptions and logic may apply to the physical as we know it, but it is stuck in the box. Don't hold them to be ultimate truths.
What you don't seem to realize is that I played with your type of mysticism when I was young, but I realized it was all self-delusion. It seems you never grew out of it.
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Feb 22, 2013
 
Straw man. Just because I'm not a nasty cu*t like you doesn't make me a socialist.
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It is a groupthink mentality.
Same sort one finds in north korea, or was found in the former commie nations.
The east abandoned communism but their acolytes in the west havent caught up yet

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