Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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bohart

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Feb 16, 2013
 
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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You guess!?!? Well hey, how about you ask your god and question? If you get the right answer from your god, then I will believe!
I have a calendar in my den, what is the theme?
What? Your god will no play? Why not? It would bring glory to him. Isn't that the main criteria for him?
No worries, I understand.
Wow!, what an incoherent babble, I can't speak for the creator as I am one of the created, but a fair assumption is that one of his creatures that routinely shits his pants is in no position to question his methods .

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.... a fair assumption is that one of his creatures that routinely shits his pants is in no position to question his methods .
So you shit your pants and never question your beliefs.

Didn't need a deity to figure that our.

Let me use "The Gift of Marduk" to discern the truth....

You are a Christian !

....Marduk reveals the hidden truth once again!
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So you shit your pants and never question your beliefs.
Didn't need a deity to figure that our.
Let me use "The Gift of Marduk" to discern the truth....
You are a Christian !
....Marduk reveals the hidden truth once again!
33,478 posts?get your inbred low IQ sister to empty your drool bucket before it leaks down to the Puerto Ricans in the apartment below you.

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33,478 posts?get your inbred low IQ sister to empty your drool bucket before it leaks down to the Puerto Ricans in the apartment below you.
Yep.

You're a Christian.

Praise Marduk!

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Feb 17, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>WAG
Phd One Million 1 wrote:
<quoted text>WAG
Are you two part of a gang? The {W}e {A}re {G}ay gang? I have no idea what that has to do with the conversation. I don't care if you are gay or not.

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Feb 17, 2013
 
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Wow!, what an incoherent babble, I can't speak for the creator as I am one of the created, but a fair assumption is that one of his creatures that routinely shits his pants is in no position to question his methods .
Are you part of WAG, too?

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You piss all over the pope and if lightning doesn't strike, well... there ya go.
Evidence of absence is evidence of any kind that suggests something is missing or that it does not exist. A simple example of evidence of absence: A baker never fails to put finished pies on her windowsill, so if there is no pie on the windowsill, then no finished pies exist. This can be formulated as modus tollens in propositional logic: P implies Q, but Q is false, therefore P is false.
You can't prove a negative. But then you already knew that. You just use your childish "prove god doesn't exist" excuse because then you think you don't have to prove that god exist. Wrong butthead!!!
You CAN prove that things exist; but you can't PROVE that they don't, nor should anyone have to. A reasonable person would reject a belief without evidence. Only a religious person would be retarded enough to believe in things like unicorns or anything else that has never been proven.
1. If God exists, then he is perfect.
2. If God exists, then he is the creator of the universe.
3. A perfect being can have no needs or wants.
4. If any being created the universe, then he must have had some need or want.
5. Therefore, it is impossible for a perfect being to be the creator of the universe (from 3 and 4).
6. Hence, it is impossible for God to exist (from 1, 2, and 5).
Thankk you. This is perfect :)

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His newest book has turned some of his perennial critics into fans, at least temporarily. In "Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth," Ehrman decimates the persistent arguments of those who not only deny the divinity of Jesus but insist that no such man ever even existed.
In an interview, I asked Ehrman about the motives of the "mythicists," the evidence supporting the existence of Jesus, and his own spiritual beliefs.
Q: As you explain in your book, many mythicists continue to try to debunk the very existence of Jesus Christ. What's the motivation of those who try to turn Jesus into an imaginary figure?
A: It's been a bit of a mystery. I don't have a solid answer, but I have a hunch. It's based on the fact that everybody who’s a mythicist is a very strong agnostic or, more typically, a hard-core atheist.
And virtually [all mythicists are] diehard opponent[s] of organized religion. They think it's done so much harm in the world, not just crusades and inquisitions, but by supporting slavery and racism and sexism and so forth.
These people, who are quite strongly opposed to religion, live in a culture where the dominant religion is Christianity. These people think that by showing Christianity is founded on a myth, they can show that it's in fact a fairy tale not worthy of belief.
Q: How influential are these people?
A: They are not influential among scholars of antiquity, historians of the ancient world, classicists, and biblical scholars. There, they've made virtually no impact.
Where they have made an impact is in popular circles, especially with the advent of the Internet. There is an increasing following of these people on the Internet, and a number of them have written books that have sold a lot of copies.
Q: Does the existence of Jesus matter for people who aren't Christian?
A: For people who have allegiance at all to Jesus, whether they consider themselves Christian or consider him an ethical teacher, it matters whether he existed or not.
I myself am an agnostic, and one would ask why would it matter to me.
The answer is that history really matters. It's important that we not rewrite it as the way we want it to be. Once we give people that license, it can lead to all sorts of dangerous political and social implications. It's important to get history right even if it's something that we're not that concerned about.
The second thing is that whether we're Christian or not, there's no doubt that Christianity is the most important phenomenon in Western civilization. Jesus stands at the foundation of Christianity and the Christian church. It's important to understand Jesus.
Q: Many biblical scholars believe that the canonical Gospels – Matthew, Mark, Luke and John – weren't written by anyone who personally knew Jesus. Does that make it difficult to rely on them as historical narratives of what really happened?
A: Scholars have worked on this problem for a very long time, starting in the 1770s. We're talking about a discipline that’s hundreds of years old.
For about the last century, the majority of scholars in Europe and North America have agreed that the earliest gospels, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, do contain historically reliable information.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/chapter-and-ve... (page)/2
I am somewhat mystified by the interviewer's claim that Ehrman "Ehrman decimates the persistent arguments of those who not only deny the divinity of Jesus but insist that no such man ever even existed."

Ehrman certainly agrees (as I do) that there was almost certainly such a person as Jesus of Nazareth, but Ehrman makes no claim that Jesus was actually divine. In fact, in the interview, Ehrman says: " I don't know whether there's a superior being. I prefer to call myself an agnostic because it simply acknowledges what I don't know."
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Feb 17, 2013
 
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Proof?
You make lots of absurd claims but you never can back them up.
I will not accept garbage from an Atheist web site that doesn’t have documented proof to their claims.
If you want proof...
There are buildings known as Libraries.
Visit one sometime, peruse both Roman and Egyptian history for Moses or Jesus references.

We know what will find... ;)
Are you are afraid to look?

C'mon ... Think of the possibilities - you could unify our world by discovering startling evidence it actually happened!

Then again you can place your complete set of encyclopedia Moronica for sale on EBay.
Give buyer a slice of toast with Moses on it.
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saidI wrote:
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Thankk you. This is perfect :)
Agree ;)

"If God listened to the prayers of men, all men would quickly have perished: for they are forever praying for evil against one another."
~Epicurus

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”
~Epicurus
Greek philosopher, BC 341-270
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A small group of volunteers in Russia who were trying to peacefully teach reason to potential Czar supporters, formed in 1929 declined to compete insignificance in 1940 and closed shop in 1947.
Churches never closed and children were made to get a proper education. Such wickedness!
But then again you being a Muslim woman have had your genitals mutilated and that has messed you up.
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More crap from you.
The only reason the league of militant atheists was sidelined was because when Hitler invaded your soviet utopia and gave you atheists a pasting.
The invasion got the likes of the Ukrainians, Latvians and many other enslaved nations to rebel against your uncle joe, he was finding hard to maintain a frontline when those who could not escape his gang pressing, deserted at any opportunity because who wants to fight and die for atheism?
The atheists certainly didnt, they spent the war by and large in cushy government jobs just like today.
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Mylan wrote:
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1. If God exists, then he is perfect.
2. If God exists, then he is the creator of the universe.
3. A perfect being can have no needs or wants.
4. If any being created the universe, then he must have had some need or want.
5. Therefore, it is impossible for a perfect being to be the creator of the universe (from 3 and 4).
6. Hence, it is impossible for God to exist (from 1, 2, and 5).
1. Correct
2. Ultimately yes
3. No. God may wish to see what his creation may do, for ultimately we are in part of him and him in us, for we were created in his image and the universe is his property.
He wants to see what we can do of our own accord, to surprise him for I imagine he would get bored too. Much like an ant farm, if one or several or even all of the ants figure out a way to escape wouldnt it amaze or even excite the farm owner?
4. Boredom would be my guess
5. Ok, what or who created the universe both in physical matter and the various laws pertaining to the functioning of this matter?
And how is it sustained?
6. You are a sh!t stain on a window in a public toilet

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Prove to me how all life started on the Earth from dead lifeless sterile material.
We do not know the mechanism. But, your choice of language is telling. It shows a bias that is unreasonable in this context.

For example, NONE of the atoms in your body is alive. None of the basic components from which you are made is alive. An oxygen atom or a hydrogen atom are 'dead, lifeless, sterile material'. The same can be said for every other chemical element, but you are completely made from such elements.

In other words, YOU, a living thing, are made from dead, lifeless, sterile materials. You really should think about this point. Everything alive is made from atoms and those are all, according to your language, dead, lifeless sterial materials.

The point is that chemical elements are NOT sterile in the sense that they interact with other chemical elements in complex and interesting ways. And it is in the variety of those interactions that we get life. There is no 'life substance' that is added to 'dead lifeless atoms' to obtain life.
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More crap from you.
The only reason the league of militant atheists was sidelined was because when Hitler invaded your soviet utopia and gave you atheists a pasting.
The invasion got the likes of the Ukrainians, Latvians and many other enslaved nations to rebel against your uncle joe, he was finding hard to maintain a frontline when those who could not escape his gang pressing, deserted at any opportunity because who wants to fight and die for atheism?
The atheists certainly didnt, they spent the war by and large in cushy government jobs just like today.
BAH HUMBUG!

Marxism-Communism. Joseph M. Bochenski in his essay "A Critique of Communism" in the book Outline of Communism clearly showed what the shortcomings of this system are:

Firstly, communists are prone to oversimplification. Complex problems of the real world are explained in simplistic terms. Thus the communist eschatology of a classless society leads them to believe that collectivization is the main source of human happiness.

Never mind the fact that each human beings have different - and opposing - dreams, goals and desires. They also believe that all problems of labor can be resolved by nationalization of all industries and the banning of private ownership.

This saps the human spirit of the will to excel. This simplistic outlook spills into their belief about moral issues. Since communism is the ultimate good, anyone who is opposed to it must necessarily be evil.

Like religious fundamentalists, to the communists everything is in black and white. "You are either with us or against us."

- Albert Einstein, Out Of My Later Years:
"One strength of the Communist system ...is that it has some of the characteristics of a religion and inspires the emotions of a religion."

Most importantly, in no case is atheism central to the building of these dogmatic positions. Atheism embodies no particular ideology, world view or dogma and cannot be justified as any significant factor in the activities of these people. If anything, the lack of belief in a supernatural overlord leaves one to respect the importance of all of mankind peacefully coexisting, because unlike in religious doctrine, the penalties one may face for immoral acts are often levied in the material world, during the life of the perpetrator.

Indeed to the founder of communist doctrines, Karl Marx (1818-1883), atheism, was just a stage on the path to communism, and it was ultimately "unreal" and "no longer needed" by socialism and communism.

This is what Karl Marx himself said about atheism: Atheism as a denial of this unreality; has no longer any meaning, for atheism is a denial of God and tries to assert through this negation the existence of man; but socialism as such no longer needs this mediation.

;)
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If there was something up there, it must have a sense of humor because you're a joke.

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If I had a dime for every time your ilk drooled over my blacksnake....
Aww Dave are you getting so desperate you are screaming pedo at me?
Wow you are flailing George Burns look alike.
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I think your ingestion of artificial chemicals has affected your judgment in a serious way.

You are the one that announced to the world your porn interests, multinational business interests, very comfortable financial sources, and concern for poor homeless children in poverty stricken countries. This is not the only forum you have been active on. You didn't raise a red flag, you shot a flare into the night sky.

If indeed you are involved in such enterprises, and not just a big mouth, your business partners should get extremely nervous about you running loose, and your very likely prospect of ratting them out if pressure comes to bear upon you. They may think your blacksnake shoved down your throat would be the best place for it.

However, it may very well be that you are just another loud mouthed role player on the internet living in a complete fantasy land. Who knows but you and those with the interest and wherewithal that may take a closer look at you because of your noise. That is the real world and not this game we play on here. As it is, it is easy enough to make you help yourself look stupid and out of control on here.
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Imhotep wrote:
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Indeed to the founder of communist doctrines, Karl Marx (1818-1883), atheism, was just a stage on the path to communism, and it was ultimately "unreal" and "no longer needed" by socialism and communism.
In other words, one must first be an atheist in order to be a marxist. It is a mandatory practice, so what happens when you go up the food chain a bit in marxism? Do you just adopt one of the current religions or do you stay a run of the mill atheist?
Or do you become a maltheist like you?
But youre still a bottom feeder, a stooge, a gofer, a nobody, a living brain dead corpse.

You piss drowned assroach

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We do not know the mechanism. But, your choice of language is telling. It shows a bias that is unreasonable in this context.
For example, NONE of the atoms in your body is alive. None of the basic components from which you are made is alive. An oxygen atom or a hydrogen atom are 'dead, lifeless, sterile material'. The same can be said for every other chemical element, but you are completely made from such elements.
In other words, YOU, a living thing, are made from dead, lifeless, sterile materials. You really should think about this point. Everything alive is made from atoms and those are all, according to your language, dead, lifeless sterial materials.
The point is that chemical elements are NOT sterile in the sense that they interact with other chemical elements in complex and interesting ways. And it is in the variety of those interactions that we get life. There is no 'life substance' that is added to 'dead lifeless atoms' to obtain life.

Carbon is the mystery element of life , it's ability to form compounds is the key I think. Add hydrogen, helium, nitrogen, sulphur and oxygen become a limitless possibility of compounds that are different but related by the binder "carbon".
Yet at the same time it can become the hardest substance known.
What would we do without carbon?
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Siro wrote:
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In other words, one must first be an atheist in order to be a marxist. It is a mandatory practice, so what happens when you go up the food chain a bit in marxism? Do you just adopt one of the current religions or do you stay a run of the mill atheist?
Or do you become a maltheist like you?.
But youre still a bottom feeder, a stooge, a gofer, a nobody, a living brain dead corpse.
You piss drowned assroach
What a profound command of the English language you posses... Your Xtian mates must beam with pride at your juvenile vocabulary and vulgarity skills.

We can see you are still engaged in your courageous battle with literacy and mental health. Perhaps one day, you will gain sufficient education to join the 21st Century.

And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.--Exodus 33:23
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CunningLinguist wrote:
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What a profound command of the English language you posses... Your Xtian mates must beam with pride at your juvenile vocabulary and vulgarity skills.
We can see you are still engaged in your courageous battle with literacy and mental health. Perhaps one day, you will gain sufficient education to join the 21st Century.
And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.--Exodus 33:23
You butt flakes all sound the same....all the same....its like you are all the one person.....

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Carbon is the mystery element of life , it's ability to form compounds is the key I think. Add hydrogen, helium, nitrogen, sulphur and oxygen become a limitless possibility of compounds that are different but related by the binder "carbon".
Yet at the same time it can become the hardest substance known.
What would we do without carbon?
http://pages.towson.edu/ladon/carbon.html

Geometry, motion, motion displacing "space", motion creating polarity, channeling of motion.

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