Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Feb 16, 2013
 
Imhotep wrote:
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This is much smaller ;)
Supposed Jesus witnesses
Josephus - Born 37 CE
Phlegon - Born about 80 CE
Tacitus - Born 56 CE
Pliny the Younger - Born 61 CE
Suetonious - Born about 69 CE
The Babylonian Talmud - 200CE
Lucian - Born 125 CE
Phlegon - 2nd century
How exactly are these guys witnesses to something that happened before they were even born?
Hearsay isn't admissible in court for a reason ;)
Tacitus was born in 56 CE, more than two decades after the alleged execution.
In fact, his writings about Jesus were done in 116 CE. This cannot be anything but 3rd hand (if not 4th or 5th) retelling, and the historical validity of the tale is therefore nil.
Since he was the first to write about it, where did he get the info? Surely not from earlier writings, right?
Those 'scholars' are therefore speaking through their hat.

I take it your membership to the babbling buffoons has expired.
You know you are crazy, if you question the fundielogic behind
the keep them stupid policy of "The Church". They may accuse you of being a witch or a sorcerer , if you show signs of "intelligence". Best to play dumb until they invent thinking in these parts.:)

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Feb 16, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Obama got one... Anyone can.
Except you religitard.

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Feb 16, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Dude, don't try to sell meth on Topix.......
It's good of you to offer your personal experiences on that subject.

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Feb 16, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Oh, you & your retarded Topix atheists buddies.
Then pretend you're in a court of law and present your evidence. If you have none, then we rest our case religitard.

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Feb 16, 2013
 
Con wrote:
I would like your comment of the following

Independent Non Christian sources on the existence of Christ Jesus
1 -Cornelius Tacitus Non Christian (56 – 117AD) historian and Roman Senator in a passage ‘Annales, book 15, verse 44’ refers to Christ, Pontius Pilate and a mass executions of Christians. General scholarly view considers Tacitus to be authentic

2 – Flavius Joseph a Romano-Jewish historian (37-100AD) Book 20 Chapter 9,1 "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" Modern scholarship has almost universally acknowledged the authenticity of the reference

- How does one explain what happened in Portugal at Fatima in 1917,“The Miracle of the Sun” which was witnessed by an estimated 30,000 – 70,000 people? Witnesses included Masons, Communists, Atheists and Christians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_S...

- How to explain the Apparation of Mary in Egypt Cairo 1968 witnessed by thousands called Our Lady of Zeitoun?
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Zeit...

- How to explain the miraculous healing of people in Lourdes France and in Bosnia-Hercegovina in a place called Medjugorje where 100,000’s of people go annually.

- How to explain the wounds on the hands, feet and side of Saint Pio of Pietrelcina
(1887 – 1968) which were those of Jesus & his ability to read people and physically heal people all in the name of Jesus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pio_of_Pietrelci...

-How to explain how Holy woman Alexandria da Costa (1904-1955) survived for many years only the Eucharist. Verified by independent doctors on a 40 day monitoring program
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandrina_of_B...

- How to explain how Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774 – 1824) had wounds which were those of Jesus on her body.

This is just a small sample of unnatural phenomena attributed to God's intervention.
And there's this:

http://jesustoasters.com/

Free Twinkie with every order.

Miracles on demand!
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Feb 16, 2013
 
Aura Mytha wrote:
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I take it your membership to the babbling buffoons has expired.
You know you are crazy, if you question the fundielogic behind
the keep them stupid policy of "The Church". They may accuse you of being a witch or a sorcerer , if you show signs of "intelligence". Best to play dumb until they invent thinking in these parts.:)
Simply put, evidence of belief is not evidence of reality and if that line of argument had any validity it would better validate the 3000 plus years of Egyptian and Indian deities, and the almost as long-lived Gods of Greece and northern Europe!

The deceit is continued with testimony from "expert believers" showcased as 'evidence' for a god whose existence was questioned even in the 2nd century.

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Feb 16, 2013
 
bohart wrote:
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I guess he thought since you are an Atheist,you wouldn't believe him anyway.
You guess!?!? Well hey, how about you ask your god and question? If you get the right answer from your god, then I will believe!

I have a calendar in my den, what is the theme?

What? Your god will no play? Why not? It would bring glory to him. Isn't that the main criteria for him?

No worries, I understand.

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Feb 16, 2013
 
Odd had their god has the power to do anything, yet does nothing.

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Feb 16, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
A small group of volunteers in Russia who were trying to peacefully teach reason to potential Czar supporters, formed in 1929 declined to compete insignificance in 1940 and closed shop in 1947.
Churches never closed and children were made to get a proper education. Such wickedness!
But then again you being a Muslim woman have had your genitals mutilated and that has messed you up.
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Please supply all of your sources.
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Feb 16, 2013
 
I'm so cornfused. there are so many gods which one is it?

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Feb 16, 2013
 
TheBlackSheep wrote:
Odd had their god has the power to do anything, yet does nothing.
Amusing.

Jesus could show up big and bright in the sky tomorrow, no mistake in who it would be, Then you would run and find a I love Jesus button, pin it on, then run to the head of the line waiting for your reward, because now you have proof.

:-)

cute

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Feb 16, 2013
 
seriously wrote:
I'm so cornfused. there are so many gods which one is it?
They're all the same.

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Many people die in war, the Russian deaths you mention we're due to political take over not atheism. The rich back then would hire huge amounts of poor people to fight for them and help protect their ill gotten wealth. The Czars for centuries had told the people that they were hand chosen by god to lead and it was all citizens duty to fight for them as they would god. It was a dastardly cowardly thing to do.
Several of the soviet generals and leaders were believers and even devout Christians. Communism and atheism are two different things.
Again nothing to do with atheism and you know it.
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I notice you dont bother to leave references. There of course is a reason for that. You dont have any.

The Soviet Union had a long history of state atheism, in which social success largely required individuals to profess atheism and stay away from houses of worship

State atheism is the official promotion of atheism by a government, sometimes combined with active suppression of religious freedom and practice. In contrast, a secular state purports to be officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion. State atheism may refer to a government's anti-clericalism, which opposes religious institutional power and influence in all aspects of public and political life, including the involvement of religion in the everyday life of the citizen.

State promotion of atheism as a public norm was first practiced during a brief period in Revolutionary France. Since then, such a policy was repeated only in Revolutionary Mexico and some communist states. The Soviet Union had a long history of state atheism, in which social success largely required individuals to profess atheism and stay away from houses of worship; this attitude was especially militant during the middle Stalinist era from 19291939. The Soviet Union attempted to suppress public religious expression over wide areas of its influence, including places such as central Asia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

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Feb 16, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
Lenin was and is adored by those people as a hero, yes even the religious Russians. The head of the Russian Orthodox Church still maintains prays for Lenin and Stalin was and is a saint in their church. Your own copy and paste even states the churches were left open for service as they always had been.
In those days poor parents would send their kids away to the church to get an education which meant reading the bible and getting molested by the clergy. Lenin mandated all children receive a proper education in history, math, science and language.
That evil man! How dare he see to it for the first time children there regardless of income learn to read and get a proper education, becoming head and shoulders more knowledgable than children in many other countries?! How dare he!
Lmfao! Crazy ole Daffy! Always good for a laugh.
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Please supply sources.

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<quoted text> obviously you are correct in general. I do not think that all atheists are pacifists or that all persons of faith are pro-violence, however. It is too bad that it is mostly the extremists of the far right on politics and religion represent themselves as spokesman for so called conservatism, when they are very far from being respectable conservatives. It is a usurpation both on internet and in the real world - American political and religious arguments are too vicious because the far rightwing extremists represent themselves as speaking for the conservatives. Look at Sebator Cruz, and you see and hear the memory of Senator Joe Carthy. Probably a hero of some of the rightwing extremists on topix.... but all conservatives and all Christians are not evil just because the noisy rightwing extremists have stolen the limelight and the reputatable center right is drowned out with their yelling.
http://en.wi kipedi a.org/wiki/Mass_ki llings_under_Commu nist_regimes
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Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>I think he stepped on his Johnson.
What again? LOL

Posted by Langoliers:

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"I semi-retired except for collecting and inspecting my rental properties. I live comfortably off my stock dividends, porn sites I own, early retirement from work and rental properties here in the states and in the Philippines. "

OMG. It's getting better all the time!!!

You're retired except for Porn and your wife is still in school!

Baaaaahaaaaaahaaaaa
Please stop!!!!

Lol BAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA !!!!

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I am a 32 year old multi-racial man with a Johnson bigger than anyone in your family"

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Feb 16, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
Jesus could show up big and bright in the sky tomorrow, no mistake in who it would be, Then you would run and find a I love Jesus button, pin it on, then run to the head of the line waiting for your reward, because now you have proof.
And what's wrong with that? Proof makes all the difference. Blind faith is for fools...

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<quoted text>Then pretend you're in a court of law and present your evidence. If you have none, then we rest our case religitard.
In this,lets pretend, court of law.

Where is your evidence to support the none existence of God?

Obviously you dont have any or you would have presented such evidence.

If you have none, and we know you dont, we rest our case.

This is the typical atheist tactic to get the opposition to present evidence while failing to present your own.

The burden of proof is on the accuser my friend and you dont have any.

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What again? LOL
Posted by Langoliers:
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"I semi-retired except for collecting and inspecting my rental properties. I live comfortably off my stock dividends, porn sites I own, early retirement from work and rental properties here in the states and in the Philippines. "
OMG. It's getting better all the time!!!
You're retired except for Porn and your wife is still in school!
Baaaaahaaaaaahaaaaa
Please stop!!!!
Lol BAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA !!!!
Liberty wrote:
I am a 32 year old multi-racial man with a Johnson bigger than anyone in your family"
Givemeliberty has serious credibility issues. He/She will say anything and claim it as facts without any proof.

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TheBlackSheep wrote:
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You guess!?!? Well hey, how about you ask your god and question? If you get the right answer from your god, then I will believe!
I have a calendar in my den, what is the theme?
What? Your god will no play? Why not? It would bring glory to him. Isn't that the main criteria for him?
No worries, I understand.
I'm going to tell you.

The calender on your wall is all about the Months and days of the year. Theme is nature but you are going to deny it.

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