Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Feb 14, 2013
 
The_Box wrote:
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It's friggin hilarious how you continue to pretend that this hasn't been addressed a million times.
I guess that's why they call you the faithful. Nothing breaks your position.
It's true.... Why are atheists fighting against something they don't believe exists??

Why don't they spend any time trying to get out anti-Casper blogs? Or anti-Bilbo Baggins blogs?

Answer: Because they don't believe in Casper or Bilbo....

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Nice sounding words and vague associations with them they use. Of course they can't tell you how "REASON" came into being. Except by very vague associations. Then claim to be objective and free thinkers.
It was ***---magic---***

oops, I mean The Big Bang...

Reason is an accident like the rest of harmonious nature.
Why do Topix atheists have such a hazy relationship with reality?
Because they're in constant denial. They're really not sure about the decision they made to hate God, Christians & relgion so they attack unnecessarily to pretend like they've got something to stand on.

Topix atheists are not normal atheists...

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Feb 14, 2013
 
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Nothing what I said was made up or a lie.
Care to contest that?
It was a complete lie.

If you were honestly putting forth a belief in leprechauns or ghosts, people would call you out and expect you to provide evidence for those things as well.

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Feb 14, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It's true.... Why are atheists fighting against something they don't believe exists??
They're not; they're fighting against PEOPLE who do believe those things.
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Why don't they spend any time trying to get out anti-Casper blogs? Or anti-Bilbo Baggins blogs?
Answer: Because they don't believe in Casper or Bilbo....
Because Casper-lovers and Tolkien fans don't control the government or try to force their beliefs on others.

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Feb 14, 2013
 
The_Box wrote:
It was a complete lie.
If you were honestly putting forth a belief in leprechauns or ghosts, people would call you out and expect you to provide evidence for those things as well.
But it's not me that's arguing against something I have a non belief in, it's you.

I wouldn't waste 10 seconds of my life arguing against leprechauns or ghosts, I'm a non-believer in both.

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Feb 14, 2013
 
The_Box wrote:
They're not; they're fighting against PEOPLE who do believe those things.
Yes, but WHY? Do you fight against all PEOPLE who believe in things differently than you?
Because Casper-lovers and Tolkien fans don't control the government or try to force their beliefs on others.
Christians don't control the gofernment. And we don't force our beliefs on anyone. Sharing & forcing are different. If you wanna see forced religion, see Islam in the Middle East....

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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But it's not me that's arguing against something I have a non belief in, it's you.
I wouldn't waste 10 seconds of my life arguing against leprechauns or ghosts, I'm a non-believer in both.
Your statement was that the atheists here are only non-believers in god. That statement was patently untrue.

It's nice that you wouldn't "waste 10 seconds" arguing against leprechauns or ghosts, but you're certainly willing to waste way more than that arguing for your beliefs. What's the big distinction? People enjoying arguing.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It was ***---magic---***
oops, I mean The Big Bang...
Reason is an accident like the rest of harmonious nature.
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Because they're in constant denial. They're really not sure about the decision they made to hate God, Christians & relgion so they attack unnecessarily to pretend like they've got something to stand on.
Topix atheists are not normal atheists...
Or "normal" people.

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Feb 14, 2013
 
Its quite sad to see so many creationist godbots with no proof of god, still continuing their campaign of lies.
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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Because they're in constant denial. They're really not sure about the decision they made to hate God, Christians & relgion so they attack unnecessarily to pretend like they've got something to stand on.
Topix atheists are not normal atheists...
Topix atheists by and large are marxists and/or sexual deviates.
These creatures think in terms of slogans as used in commie countries like north korea, they use the same sort of mantras as used by terrorist groups like the red army faction of germany, red brigades etc with their 'peoples revolutionary liberation struggle' and so on.
The hatred of God and viewing him as an enemy to be destroyed is compulsory to their political thinking not rational thinking.
They then merely rename their political thought as 'rational thought' and peddle it from there.
Their mental poison comes from the Frankfurt School of marxism, a combination of narcissism, hedonism and ultimately nihilism and probably something else.

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Yes, but WHY? Do you fight against all PEOPLE who believe in things differently than you?
I've already told you.

Society is a mix of ideas. Some are good, some are bad. They all must be challenged. If someone says trickle-down economics is the best way to help the poor, people will stand up and say "That's crap." But in our country, religion gets a free pass. It shouldn't.
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Christians don't control the gofernment. And we don't force our beliefs on anyone.
Really? So the gay friends can get married now? I can stop worrying about Christians trying to put Creationism and reconstructed history in schools? Christians have given up trying to strip funding for women's reproductive health?

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Feb 14, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>The event was distracting Hilary's health care initiative at the time, and the lady is known to have a temper and not shy about expressing her dissatisfaction with the performance of law enforcement agencies in particular, even on petty matters.
WRF does that have to do with my question?

You really are losing it, Dave.

And there's not much left for you to lose.

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Feb 14, 2013
 
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>Smirk cont. ;)

I see thou art still stumping and thumping for thy God!

My God Can Beat Up Your God (Richard Bamford)

Do you know his name? Sure you do. He talks to you every day. You could not live a normal life without him. You believe in him, whether you like it or not. Unless you abandon him completely, you cannot deny he exists.

My god is a more personal god than yours can ever be, for if you have enough sense to understand these words, my god lives within you. He lives within us all, to some degree. A heartbreaking few cannot understand him, but this is not their fault. The real tragedy is the multitudes who ignore much of his counsel, particularly when he questions your god too deeply.

My god has been around longer than your god. He was here before the many other gods that preceded your god.

Though you will likely scoff at the notion, my god was the father of your god, as he was to all gods. But that was long ago when he was young and not yet sure of himself.

Though many of your god's followers try to hold him down, my god grows stronger and more independent each day.

• When your god expelled us from paradise for eating an apple, my god taught us to grow our own fruit.

• When your god forbade knowledge, demanding we live in ignorance, my god created books.

• When your god smote cities like a tantrum-prone child, my god helped to rebuild them.

• When your god insisted the world was flat, my god showed his followers it was round, to their peril at the hands of your god's followers.

• While your god watched in silence as children sickened and died, my god created medicines to make them well.

• When your god winked and nodded at slavery, my god argued passionately against it.

• While your god represses half the human race, my god considers woman to be the equal of man.

• When your god only helps those who help themselves, my god rolls up his sleeves and actually does help until your god decides to join in, and then steals all the credit.

• When your god inspired great buildings and great art, my god made them possible.

• While your god says we are all born sinners, tainted before we even draw breath, my god says we are all born innocent; a clean slate with limitless potential.

• While your god offers dubious allusions of an afterlife, my god provides for us here in this life.

• While your god makes amazing promises, but offers not a shred of proof, my god performs amazing deeds, and the proof is there to be seen by all.

• While your god demands blind faith and obsequious obedience, my god encourages questions, even about himself.

• When your god says "Thou shalt not," my god says "You can do anything."

My god is reason.

He does more in a day than your god will ever do.
Outstanding.

He won't get it, though.

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Feb 14, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Hmmm...

So quoting the words of another quack reveals your intellectual capabilities in presenting your beliefs?
You didn't like his post, did you Dave.

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Feb 14, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Awesome.

Who is your god?
Read the second to last line, dipshit.

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Feb 14, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Nice sounding words and vague associations with them they use. Of course they can't tell you how "REASON" came into being. Except by very vague associations. Then claim to be objective and free thinkers.

Why do Topix atheists have such a hazy relationship with reality?
It's all that methane you put out, Dave.

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Feb 14, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Your complete lack of knowledge on the subject is startling. You certainly come off as though you're some kind of intellectual genius, but this just puts you in a category of musical idiocy. Trying to illicit an angry response from me is a rather childish tact, and would have thought well beneath you. I don't usually provide free education, but seeing how desperately you need it, I'll suspend my usual fee.
Lets first begin with the fact that you are completely ignorant when it comes to understanding music, on any level. Your stupid comments on the brass family bear that out. Your first assignment is to listen to the opening of Mahler's 8th symphony and relate the importance of the brass family, yes that includes the trumpets. Next the opening of Strauss's (an Atheist composer) Also Sprach Zarathustra. A piece of music so filled with passion it has been used in numerous Movie scores, used in Stanley Kubrick's 2001. Elvis even used it to open his Las Vegas show. Now go back to the ending of Mahler's 8th symphony and tell me what impact the brass have, include the offstage trumpets. The test will NOT be graded on a curve, so pay attention.
What make s me a music critic? I am not only a performer (trumpet player) but a composer/arranger, and a full professor with a doctorate in composition. I do clinics, teach selected students privately, compose commissioned pieces, arrange for an assortment of vocalists and other performers, teach master classes at the college level, and review graduation portfolios for college seniors.
You are limited to a machine like mind, you're way out of your league here. Stick to your magnet and string and leave the emotions and passions of music to the creative mind, and the superior intellect.
:-)

A picture is worth a thousand words. A song can sum it all up in minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

People are emotional creatures. It is part of the overall scheme of expression by higher powers. They push buttons and play notes to get some action going. Simple minds are math heads just plodding along.

You were in the Army. You know you have to be taught to march, to follow the cadence set by someone else. You and your fellow plodder alongers holler a lot and make noise with your hot air pumping machines trying to get everyone to follow your cadence. You don't realize you are the ones out of step.

Get some poetry in your soul. Get you a duduk and emote.

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Feb 14, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>It's true.... Why are atheists fighting against something they don't believe exists??

Why don't they spend any time trying to get out anti-Casper blogs? Or anti-Bilbo Baggins blogs?

Answer: Because they don't believe in Casper or Bilbo....
Religion exists.

Ignorance exists.

Dogma exists.

Religious bigotry exists.

WTF are you talking about?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>But it's not me that's arguing against something I have a non belief in, it's you.

I wouldn't waste 10 seconds of my life arguing against leprechauns or ghosts, I'm a non-believer in both.
Does religion exist?

Dolt.

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Feb 14, 2013
 
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You didn't like his post, did you Dave.
I was not impressed with the quality of it.

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