Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#153595 Feb 12, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Causality cannot happen without the laws of logic...
Causality is logical by its very nature.
Wrong. Logic is about deduction in an abstract system, while causality is a question about the real world. They are in totally different areas of study.
As is reason,(when practiced properly).
Your claim, unproven.
All pointing to the logical First Cause.
Wrong.
But you don't want to go there.
So you have to deny either causality or the laws of logic to prevent yourself from going there.
Which one will it be today?
No, I simply want you to *prove* your claims. I have seen nothing to justify anything from the first cause argument. First, causality is an empirical question: and has been shown to be wrong in some situations (which you deny, but without reason).

Your claims about logic are simply false, although you continue to restate the same falsehoods.

Basically, the laws of logic and causality are not what you seem to think they are and you refuse to either argue for your case or refute the other possibilities.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#153596 Feb 12, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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How could it not be?
Time was caused, that is painfully obvious.
It isn't obvious to me. In fact, the exact opposite is obvious to me since time is required for causality. To talk about the cause of time shows a lack of understanding of the nature of causality.
Siro

Australia

#153597 Feb 12, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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What a sick and twisted little mythology you have that would include such a place as hell.
And that you are okay with the idea of fellow human beings spending eternity there is even more twisted. Only a real psychopath could be okay with that.
Yeah...I know what you mean.....
I'd probably be of the same opinion if I counted Stalin and Pol Pot as my brethren.
But keep strong Hedonist, your brothers need you.
Maybe you could draft up a petition to outlaw hell and present it to the U.N.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#153598 Feb 12, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
That won't provide historical proof for Jesus will it Dave? It is a standard Christian argument, one you being a Christian you are well versed on. Still it is a logical fallacy. We all know you gush over how you perceive the Jesus myth has in your words and opinion shaped the whole world! Lmfao!
But your opinion doesn't count as fact. The Jesus myth has hindered not helped mankind. It has stymied free thinkers since it was forced down the people's throat by Constantine.
Christians can't even figure out if Jesus was born in Mary and Joseph's house on Bethlehem or if they were living in Nazareth and stopped off in Bethlehem because Mary's water broke and she gave birth in a barn. Ah yes Jesus born beside piles of horsesht! Fitting no!
:)
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I am having a vision of you in a sort of Jesus position.

Limbs restrained, but instead of vinegar and water, Haldol.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#153599 Feb 12, 2013
Siro wrote:
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Yeah...I know what you mean.....
I'd probably be of the same opinion if I counted Stalin and Pol Pot as my brethren.
But keep strong Hedonist, your brothers need you.
Maybe you could draft up a petition to outlaw hell and present it to the U.N.
Show us all with your mighty intelligence where it says that all atheists must commit genocide.

Exactly, you can't - you're full of sh*t and bitter at the fact you have no proof of god.

Remember, it's your mental illness, not ours.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#153600 Feb 12, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I am having a vision of you in a sort of Jesus position.
Limbs restrained, but instead of vinegar and water, Haldol.
What else can you say, when you have no facts and no morals?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#153601 Feb 12, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Why? That doesn't provide historical proof for Jesus. A rather weak argument on your behalf don't you think?

Can't you do better Dave than the weakest logical fallacy talking points? Ask your preacher this Sunday maybe he can pray with you and help you out.
I thought he was pointing out to us that we're always in spitting distance of a Christian.

I bet he'd then say something like "If you don't believe in god, why do you spend so much time talking about him."

Good ol' Dave.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#153602 Feb 12, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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"we have empirical evidence for the age of Mars"
Please, divulge this evidence...
You can't, you know you can't.
The age of Mats is estimated & assumed based on the age of meteors, not based on the age of Martian rocks or soil.
Again, please share your secret knowledge of empirical evidence on the age of Mars.
We can show that certain meteors are from Mars by comparing the chemical composition. Different planets (and asteroids) have different isotopic abundances and we can fairly easily determine the origin of some meteors from that. So the age of meteors from Mars together with the age of the solar system (as determined in other ways) does give an age for Mars. Are there uncertainties? Yes, of course. There always are. All scientific measurements come with error bars. So the age of Mars is 4.6+-.1 billion years.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#153603 Feb 12, 2013
So are you the third or fourth wife of your Muslim husband?
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah...I know what you mean.....
I'd probably be of the same opinion if I counted Stalin and Pol Pot as my brethren.
But keep strong Hedonist, your brothers need you.
Maybe you could draft up a petition to outlaw hell and present it to the U.N.
Siro

Australia

#153604 Feb 12, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Show us all with your mighty intelligence where it says that all atheists must commit genocide.
Exactly, you can't - you're full of sh*t and bitter at the fact you have no proof of god.
Remember, it's your mental illness, not ours.
Where it says???????
Its a given, as history books demonstrate.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#153605 Feb 12, 2013
Ah yes the bandwagon logical fallacy argument, I expected as much.:sigh:
Aerobatty wrote:
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I thought he was pointing out to us that we're always in spitting distance of a Christian.
I bet he'd then say something like "If you don't believe in god, why do you spend so much time talking about him."
Good ol' Dave.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#153606 Feb 12, 2013
You dream about me being tied up and sedated? Well Dave when you have role played this in the past with young men I certainly hope they were willing participants.

Good grief BBsting and langoliers going on and on about my trouser snake and now Dave is dreaming about bdsm. Guys guys look I am flattered you are all wanting to line up to suck and swallow my load, but I am very happily married and wifey, the love of my life just won't share. Plus I am only into chicks, sorry just gotta let you three know.

Now Dave you were due to post a long rambling wall of text about god is magnetism right? That even though we have natural, observable, tested means of explaining magnetism you believe it's Jesus.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I am having a vision of you in a sort of Jesus position.
Limbs restrained, but instead of vinegar and water, Haldol.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#153607 Feb 12, 2013
Siro wrote:
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Yeah...I know what you mean.....
I'd probably be of the same opinion if I counted Stalin and Pol Pot as my brethren.
But keep strong Hedonist, your brothers need you.
Maybe you could draft up a petition to outlaw hell and present it to the U.N.
ad hominem and strawman fallacy in the same post. And absolutely nothing addressing the content you were supposed to be replying to.

Well, when you have nothing, try attacking with a bunch of BS. That seems to be about all you are capable of.

Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#153608 Feb 12, 2013
Talking of error bars, Simon Singh corrected a Katie Melua song in his science blog in the Guardian. Katie was sporting enough to sing the amended version on BBC Radio 4.

www.youtube.com/watch...
polymath257 wrote:
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We can show that certain meteors are from Mars by comparing the chemical composition. Different planets (and asteroids) have different isotopic abundances and we can fairly easily determine the origin of some meteors from that. So the age of meteors from Mars together with the age of the solar system (as determined in other ways) does give an age for Mars. Are there uncertainties? Yes, of course. There always are. All scientific measurements come with error bars. So the age of Mars is 4.6+-.1 billion years.
Siro

Australia

#153609 Feb 12, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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ad hominem and strawman fallacy in the same post. And absolutely nothing addressing the content you were supposed to be replying to.
Well, when you have nothing, try attacking with a bunch of BS. That seems to be about all you are capable of.
Youre the one complaining about hell, I take that as you think good and evil should be equally rewarded.
That would be true for you as atheists have no sense of right or wrong because such things as morality are relative to you depending on your own personal desires at the time.
Your motto is 'If it feels good then do it and f*ck everyone else'

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#153611 Feb 12, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You dream about me being tied up and sedated? Well Dave when you have role played this in the past with young men I certainly hope they were willing participants.
Good grief BBsting and langoliers going on and on about my trouser snake and now Dave is dreaming about bdsm. Guys guys look I am flattered you are all wanting to line up to suck and swallow my load, but I am very happily married and wifey, the love of my life just won't share. Plus I am only into chicks, sorry just gotta let you three know.
Now Dave you were due to post a long rambling wall of text about god is magnetism right? That even though we have natural, observable, tested means of explaining magnetism you believe it's Jesus.
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You are so easy to get you to show your ass. Sure you aren't gay?

Chicks, huh?
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#153612 Feb 12, 2013
Siro wrote:
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have no sense of right or wrong because such things as morality are relative to you depending on your own personal desires at the time.
Your motto is 'If it feels good then do it and f*ck everyone else'
Are atheists really saying that? I think we all agree morality is a good thing. Just whether to get that morality from a discredited book, or from our own natural sense of morals.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#153613 Feb 12, 2013
Annes wrote:
seems that the faith in atheism is just too weak.
Atheism no faith since ever

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#153614 Feb 12, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are so easy to get you to show your ass. Sure you aren't gay?
Chicks, huh?
Chunky Poo, are you there?

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#153615 Feb 12, 2013
Annes wrote:
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you just illustrated why there is a hell for you to erode and perish in.
Stop stealing Norse religion punishment place hell

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