Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#153366 Feb 11, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>GOD made everything
Including hell, the serpent, Satan, the decision to send people to be tortured for all eternity just for not groveling enough, etc. What a vile and hateful deity to cower to.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#153367 Feb 11, 2013
1 Thessalonians 2:13-- "Ye received the Word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe."

If you don't believe the word of Almighty GOD you can't understand it...

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#153368 Feb 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Before you can properly read & understand Leviticus, you must first attempt to understand why the Levites needed laws.
Can you?
You can say that with a straight face? Really?

But you don't really expect anyone to fall for it, do you?

You do? Then you are fu{king stupid. Sorry, I did try to sugar coat it, but I don't lie.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#153369 Feb 11, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Your example doesn't apply, simply because there is one requirement to being a Christian, the acceptance and belief that the Jesus! existed, was the son of the YAHWEH! and died for your "sin", etc...
Who are you to say that anyone that says they are a Christian has not and does not believe that? So what if they're a bad one, one one that isn't exemplary. Remember?, "sin is built in", in your belief set. You can try to do better, but you are expected to succumb to "sin", you can't escape it in your religious mythology.
It(being a Christian) is a construct or process of the mind, and does not require a license, a diploma, a degree or some sort of verification in order to provide a service or function, like the example you gave -*does*.
That's a specious and disingenuous tactic you employ when you give such an example.
Don't forget...
They said the Jesus! wasn't a "real Jew", either.
Who are you to claim that Frank William Abagnale, Jr. wasn’t an Emergency Room Supervisor or an Airline Pilot for Pan Am at the age of 17? He claimed he was.

Denis Rader claimed he was a Christian, but was he really?

What one claims and what they really are can be two different things. A requisite for Christianity is obedience.
Notice what the scripture below says. It takes more than attendance to a church. It takes obeying Christ teachings.

Denis Rader attended church services and was active in his church. Yet he didn’t follow Christ teachings when he murdered 10 people over several years.

Matthew 7:21
King James Version (KJV)

21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

John 8:31

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#153370 Feb 11, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>The holy bible says Jesus is the only way
Well, my Supreme Holy Book says that anyone who follows any other book, is stupid. My book was written in the hearts of men long before your god was thought of. I know this because my Supreme Holy Book says so.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#153371 Feb 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Reading a blog or an article in a magazine does not constitute an education.
Nobody on Earth KNOWS the age of Mars. It's age is merely speculated.
To think otherwise shows your lack of education.
So reading an article from a scientific journal by a well know scientists does not constitute an education? REALLY? You mean you must actually sit in the classroom and take notes? Thats the only way we can educate ourselves? WOW, I guess you're serious!!! Must suck to be you!!!

Doesn't it fry your ass that we know more about the age of Mars than we do about your God. Here we have empirical evidence for the age of Mars, a big piece of rock orbiting the sun, how very much we know about it, yet the supposed creator of this rock and everything else in the universe, has not a shred of verifiable evidence. Oh, thats right, he actually touched you on the head.....cue the twilight zone music!!!!!
Turkey

Oswego, NY

#153372 Feb 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Your thinking is based upon the gathering of a lot of misinformation. Don't forget those you get it from are the same that taught and preached religion in other times as a science.
You are not the first or only man in history with the passion and belief in their righteousness to stand on a mountaintop to rail against the Creator of all things. Such may impress other men, but not an entity on that level. It wouldn't even elicit a yawn from it. You are shooting your wad in the bathroom.
I have an IQ that will get me into MENSA, and have spent my life dealing in the physical world and cause and effect in the lower social strata. I haven't had the training of how to think like yourself, or the elevated position to limit my perspectives of reality. You have driven down the highway of life in the dark with your bright lights on, I have walked the side of the road. You would be amazed at what you missed seeing.
You are likely to not understand the significance of that allegory in your rush to judgments.
I have also had the experience of my consciousness being totally dissociated from my existence as a material being. Full consciousness that transformed. It went through the agony of separation. It got its pink slip from this grand production. It was suddenly unemployed. Yet during the entire event there was not the slightest hint or thought that its consciousness would cease to exist. Not in the slightest. No going to sleep for evermore. It actually found a new job and was waiting to step into it before getting a call from this one to return to work just seconds before committing itself.
It was a very vast, dark, and empty space it occupied. Not a soul to be seen, but an intelligent force it wished to avoid. It's only escape was the new job it had.
Of course it was still linked to this physical body, otherwise I couldn't remember the events. It takes meat to store those things. Spirits just wander and do things. But the experience definitely disproved the closing your eyes and going into eternal sleep unconscious you would like to believe. I was just hit by a large truck out of nowhere. Was not a drug or hospital thing where a stage was set.
There was a sense of gratefulness to humanity for pulling me back. But the subsequent events are another story. What you read of my saying we are part of a larger entity is a derived perception based upon that and a technological analysis.
You rant and rave about fear of death and such as the reason for religion. I experienced it. You haven't. I believe in a higher order of things.
There were other aspects of the event I don't have space to relate here.
You are the coolest dude in the forum. Atheist resist truth and wisdom. The rejected stone turned out to be the headstone of the corner.
Turkey

Oswego, NY

#153373 Feb 11, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>More mystical bullshit without a shred of evidence to support you rantings. Define "soul" show how medical science can detect such a thing. If it's part of our physical makeup, this should be easy. If it's NOT part of our physical makeup, then who can you or anyone else know it exists?
Soul is a religious invention, its allows the physical body to die and still allow you to experience an afterlife, very convenient invention. Soul, Sin, Heaven, Hell, at one time Purgatory, all religious inventions none with any proof that they actually exist. Whats next, "can you physically show feelings like Love, Hate, Joy.? Those are emotions and can be detected within the physical brain. Soul is just......well what the hell is a soul? More religious mumbo jumbo.
Hey douchebag, hell needs fodder

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#153374 Feb 11, 2013
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
oh yes it is ! but! PAradoxically IRONIC! Our American Sheeooople need to wake up US corrupted in power is ruining US AND WORLD WITH US WAR MACHINES!
This Is What our US right wing Christian nation stand for
US iNTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES & CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY -
UNITED STATES WAR & INTERVENTIONS
MILITARY INTERVENTIONS, COVERT OPERATIONS, COUPS AND ATTEMPTED COUPS, ELECTION INTERFERENCE, REGIME CHANGE, COLOR REVOLUTIONS
Hiroshima and Nagasaki (Japan), Philippines, South Korea, Lebanon, Iran, Guatemala, Cuba, Congo/Zaire, Brazil,
Greece, Poland, Turkey, Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, Chile, Angola, East TImor, Nicaragua,
Grenada, Panama, Kyrgyzstan, Haiti, Yugoslavia, Georgia, Ukraine, Argentina, Ghana, Venezuela, Bolivia, Hondoras,
Paraguay, Mexico, El Salvador, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen, Tunesia, Egypt, Libya, Syria,...
"If Nuremberg were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged."
Noam Chomsky
Above is just tip of iceberg of US evils as Christian nation, not include are US wars since the inception of a US militaristic .US imperialistic Empire !
How did you get out your cell again? N/M get back indey.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#153375 Feb 11, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don’t mean to rain on your parade Doctor but the entire planet of Mars has been photographed with advance state of the art hi def cameras. Not the cameras from the 1960’s but update equipment. Pictures that can be enlarged thousands of times. They have been able to produce 3-D images of the surface of Mars.
You can keep holding out if you like but it don’t look good on finding any signs of life.
Oh yeah, those powerful hi-def cameras should be able to pick up evidence of microscopic life buried under rock and sand no problem. I wonder why they can't detect fossilized remains hidden deep in rock formations. Nope no life at all, lets move on, nothing to see here.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#153376 Feb 11, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I'll take as a fact that you know absolutely nothing about music. having established that fact, the music you offered up as a joke is actually very complex, much like the mind of the Atheist. There is polytonality on various levels, an expanding form, and multiple melodic motives being developed, some of them simultaneously. Itv only sounds weird to the untrained and shallow mind. Thanks for showing how truly complex and expansive the Atheists mind really is. Now go listen to your children music. You know the music that reflects your mind, simplistic, rigid, no room for any real growth, and dogmatic.
Whooo!

What started out to be a joke turned out to be a truth!!

They can make their own reality out of noise.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#153377 Feb 11, 2013
Turkey wrote:
<quoted text> Hey douchebag, hell needs fodder
Hell, you mean that mythical place like Peter Pan's never-never land? Demons with pointy tails and pitch forks, Grow the f--k up you poor slob. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#153378 Feb 11, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are arguing that the laws of logic are in no way related to causality?
Logic and origin do not mix, specifically because logic breaks down when confronted with an absurd paradox.

You must accept there is no reasoning or cause for the first effect.

I know you reason it was god, but then you must answer , what caused god? Then we have an infinite regression of gods.
There is no evidence of gods why put one in the equation?

You will next say special pleading that god is eternal.
But you have not one evidence of eternal gods.

The universe always was, and it did not need a god to create us.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#153379 Feb 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Whooo!
What started out to be a joke turned out to be a truth!!
They can make their own reality out of noise.
It's only noise to the musically illiterate. I wouldn't be so quick to expose your complete ignorance to music and most likely the arts in general. I can only imagine that you think Currier and Ives is real art, and that three chord rock and roll is the hight of musical expression. Now back to your children music!!!!!

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#153380 Feb 11, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You lied once again...WTF is with you skippy. I NEVER said the laws of logic were created by man. Go back and read what I actually said.
Good boy, your right, a rock cannot exists and exist at the same time, whether man is present or not. A rock could never exist and exist at the same time whether it be now or 4.6 billion years ago. Man simple incorporated that fact into his experience. He ADOPTED that fact, he made it his PROPERTY. Look past you pseudo-bullshit and do your best to comprehend.
You don't know if it could or it couldn't. You weren't there to observe. It is purely speculation on your part. And of any scientist of today. All logic and deductions are based on present day observations in this time and place.

You guys are amazing. You rant on and on about no "official" documentation for a Jesus, even though you are livin gin his legacy, yet absolutely believe you know what happened 10^-34 second after the Big Bang.

Do some drugs. It might kick your heads on the right track.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#153381 Feb 11, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Who are you to claim that Frank William Abagnale, Jr. wasn’t an Emergency Room Supervisor or an Airline Pilot for Pan Am at the age of 17? He claimed he was.
Those can be proven to be the case or to not be the case. They don't rely upon a belief.
Eagle12 wrote:
Denis Rader claimed he was a Christian, but was he really?
He said he was, and in the same way, you say you are a Christian, too. I don't question that. There is no verification process that can be employed to prove you are or aren't.
Eagle12 wrote:
What one claims and what they really are can be two different things. A requisite for Christianity is obedience.
Notice what the scripture below says. It takes more than attendance to a church. It takes obeying Christ teachings.
Denis Rader attended church services and was active in his church. Yet he didn’t follow Christ teachings when he murdered 10 people over several years.
Maybe he was struggling with his "sin". Maybe he repented each and every time, was "forgiven" by your deity and just couldn't control it, but was certainly a Christian, just more prone to failure.

I can't say that is the case.

You can't say that wasn't the case.

Your religion and the belief in and of the deity; It's a belief, something held within the mind, and it exists there only.
Eagle12 wrote:
Matthew 7:21
King James Version (KJV)
21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
John 8:31
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed.
11) I looked, and mine eye saw Jethro of Bodine. He was crouched and cowering, of great sorrow, and muttering; "why!, OH WHY?" Now, Granny, of stern measure and temper in a loud voice shouted "DAGNABBIT!" and sought to strike Jethro with a heavy iron skillet for his transgression. 12)It was then Jed saw this, and spake these words; "Now boy, ya hadn't ought'a gone and done that" - 3 Venetians 4:11-12 Parable of Lye Soap and The Cement Pond - NHE(New Hathaway Edition)

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#153382 Feb 11, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Theist know that due to the complete lack of evidence combined with reason and logic, that their imaginary friend cannot exist, they are just to embarrassed to admit it. I would be to, if I spent my life shaping all my action to please this myth.
What in site!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#153383 Feb 11, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Oh yeah, those powerful hi-def cameras should be able to pick up evidence of microscopic life buried under rock and sand no problem. I wonder why they can't detect fossilized remains hidden deep in rock formations. Nope no life at all, lets move on, nothing to see here.
HEY! duckie12 was a Navy ROTC! He knows all about the military and what the government's HiDef cameras can do and if he says that they can see under rocks, then by god, they can see microbes under the rocks!

You fly high, duckie one two!

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#153384 Feb 11, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare,'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.(Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
<quoted text>
You nailed that one! It is rubbish.
This continuous spamming is proof there is a purpose to scam the readers by bringing scripture out of context and misrepresentation of scripture over and over. Repeated spamming.

Everyone enjoy this mans spamming, because he will repeat it another 100 times before the end of the year.

If anyone is serious about hearing a recant to this nonsense about rape. I’ll be glad to repost the 6 pages outlining that rape was illegal in the bible punishable by death.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#153385 Feb 11, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
How can that which is caused, cause itself?
It doesn't get anymore viciously circular and therefore illogical, than that...
And do you have any empirical evidence of this, or is this just your mere opinion?
We have no other evidence, to rely on.
We can see nearly from the creation of the first stars till now.
There is nothing circular in this empirical observational and
recorded data. We can calculate using the Hubble constant and all other supportive data , nearly the precise moment of this universes creation. Plot its progression , to the creation of our own star and our solar system. We know how Earth formed and how( not exactly how life started) but how life started and progressed for the entire history of Earth.

What we do not see is an intervening skydaddy you so would love to present as the reason. There is nothing in our history that shows that to be so. Only your fanatical belief that the mythological and superstitious minds that deceived you are right in the book of historical fiction.

In short , you have been led around by your short sword.

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