Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#153114 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Laws of logic are immaterial and universal and cannot be verified by empiricism, yet they are true, so on that basis, do you reject them?
Your wrong, the universe is NOT subject to any laws of logic, the universe merely exists. The rules of logic are properties of mankind, devised from common sense and experience of nature. Logic tells me that if I stick my hand in fire I will get burned. The fact that people contradict each other has no bearing on the absoluteness of logic. It merely reflects the failure of many to grasp the rules and play by them.

Logic dictates that either A is or it isn't, it can't be both. Either something is or it isn't. What methodology do you use to determine if something either is or it isn't? It appears to me that your logic consists of making shit up and then proclaiming it to be true. Either your god exists or it doesn't. The question is how to determine if this thing is real or not.

Here, chew on this. If god exists outside the boundaries of logic, then you are saying God can exist and not exist at the same time. Now there are three possibilities.

1.) God exists

2.) God doesn't exist

3.) God both exists and not exists.

NOTICE two out of three say God does not exist!!!!!!
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#153115 Feb 10, 2013
Atheists KNOW God is REAL. They just CHOOSE to be STOOPID.
Acadia

Hagerstown, MD

#153116 Feb 10, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Atheists KNOW God is REAL. They just CHOOSE to be STOOPID.
I couldn't agree more.
rider

Marquette, MI

#153117 Feb 10, 2013
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blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#153118 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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In a universe were free will is permitted, suffering is also a consequence of the rejection of God...
And what of those who do NOT reject God but also suffer?

No one "permits" free will. Free will from the point of a Theists is an illusion, for you there is NO free will. Your God is omnipotent, he knows everything, there is nothing that he cannot know. Therefore he knows exactly what you will do. Your pathway is already determined. You think that by taking a right instead of a left is an example of free will, but God knew you would turn right. You can't do anything other than what God has predetermined for you. NO FREE WILL.

God also knew that Eve would taste of the apple from the tree of knowledge, he knew it but punisher her and all of mankind for all times. God also knew that Jesus could never really die, he offered him up as a sacrifice knowing he would rise from the dead and become as God. What kind of a sacrifice is that, and you Theists fell for it. Histories biggest hoax, and you people think it was a sacrifice. LOL

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#153119 Feb 10, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't know about the rainbow bridges, haven't heard of thelm.
I seem to remember a place I think was called Pacific Gardens or something on the southern end of highway 1 toward Paso Robles. Was really just a roadside attraction, but large with a lot of pretty flowers. Can't locate it on Google Earth.

That was almost 40 years ago, wasn't it?

Many weekends I drove to SE AZ and back through LA, and 101 or 5 up north. Long drive. 16 hours back then with the 55 limit. Tried through Bakersfield once. No more.

Loved the portion through Indio.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#153120 Feb 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I seem to remember a place I think was called Pacific Gardens or something on the southern end of highway 1 toward Paso Robles. Was really just a roadside attraction, but large with a lot of pretty flowers. Can't locate it on Google Earth.
That was almost 40 years ago, wasn't it?
Many weekends I drove to SE AZ and back through LA, and 101 or 5 up north. Long drive. 16 hours back then with the 55 limit. Tried through Bakersfield once. No more.
Loved the portion through Indio.
To me, the desert is masochism.

I have never understood the attraction, but many people here enjoy it-- Joshua Tree, even Death Valley. They say it's the geology. I'll take the coast, Sonoma Valley, that sort of stuff.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#153121 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not understanding your question.
If you rephrase it clearer I might be able to deal with it.
There are so many implied assumptions in it, that at this point, it would make no sense to answer it.
Present your argument.
Is there another way to say it? What is the process, that your god say that you must do, to cure leprosy?

You refuse to answer because you know that it is absurd bullshit written by idiots who believed in magic.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#153122 Feb 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>And what of those who do NOT reject God but also suffer?
No one "permits" free will. Free will from the point of a Theists is an illusion, for you there is NO free will. Your God is omnipotent, he knows everything, there is nothing that he cannot know. Therefore he knows exactly what you will do. Your pathway is already determined. You think that by taking a right instead of a left is an example of free will, but God knew you would turn right. You can't do anything other than what God has predetermined for you. NO FREE WILL.
God also knew that Eve would taste of the apple from the tree of knowledge, he knew it but punisher her and all of mankind for all times. God also knew that Jesus could never really die, he offered him up as a sacrifice knowing he would rise from the dead and become as God. What kind of a sacrifice is that, and you Theists fell for it. Histories biggest hoax, and you people think it was a sacrifice. LOL
Amusing.

You Topix atheists don't want anyone to define you, yet you feel free to define the powers and intents of a god to the theists that believe in it.

Where do you get your information? Where do you get the gall to do such a thing?
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#153123 Feb 10, 2013
Acadia wrote:
<quoted text>
Your anger as an atheist negates all of your attempts.
You misinterpret anger for scorn. I have no patients when it comes to people being willfully ignorant. Now why don't you piss off!!!!
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#153124 Feb 10, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>I hope for your sake your list is longer than that, because nearly every president was religious and sent people to kill in wars, and we haven't even gotten to other countries leaders either. There is NO doubt, religion spreads more mass murder than anything else on the planet. Religion is an insult to human dignity. There will always be good and bad people in the world, but history has recorded that for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Correct, it certainly wasn't an Atheists who ordered the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#153126 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
You really think by me quoting Proverbs I have in some way invalidated Proverbs?
Maybe you have simply misunderstood what Jesus said, because of your predisposition to reject any truth the Bible presents.
:-)
Believers try to chastise me for quoting the OT, but they, like you, do mind quoting it, when it suits you.

This is your god's way of curing leprosy.

Leviticus 14:49 And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:

50 And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:

51 And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:

52 And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:

53 But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#153127 Feb 10, 2013
GenoGirl wrote:
<quoted text>
I know what your saying but I didnt make you change your beleifs , I never said I would make you beleive,, im just saying the whole argument is going nowhere thats all im saying
I doubt that we are going nowhere! From most reports, Atheism is growing very rapidly. I am guessing that the internet, with forums like this, is one of the main reasons.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#153128 Feb 10, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
To me, the desert is masochism.
I have never understood the attraction, but many people here enjoy it-- Joshua Tree, even Death Valley. They say it's the geology. I'll take the coast, Sonoma Valley, that sort of stuff.
I love the desert. It's clean, open, and sterile. I grew up in heat, high humidity, bugs, mold, trees everywhere, and the swamps. Ugh.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#153129 Feb 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Correct, it certainly wasn't an Atheists who ordered the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
True, they just developed the bomb and provided the option.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#153130 Feb 10, 2013
How does one, according to your god, cure leprosy?
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats the point.
Everyone does have access to it.
That truth is expressed in so many different ways in Creation.
The suppression of that truth, also confirms it, as the suppression always relies on error and illogicity to attack the truth, showing its nature.
As I have been showing you over and over.
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This can again be displayed in this post, you deny absolute truth, by claiming an absolute truth...
Contradicting yourself again.
That very act of contradiction is the evidence that you are suppressing the truth.
It is there for anybody to see...
Since you obviously knew, but were too smart to say, I quoted god's cure for leprosy.

But since some may have missed it, I'll quote it again! LOL!

Leviticus 14:49 And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:

50 And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:

51 And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:

52 And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:

53 But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#153131 Feb 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Amusing.
You Topix atheists don't want anyone to define you, yet you feel free to define the powers and intents of a god to the theists that believe in it.
Where do you get your information? Where do you get the gall to do such a thing?
You're conflating existing things with the non existent.

Yes I do feel free to define the powers and intents of imaginary beings. Just like I define the powers and intents of Lord Zod.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#153132 Feb 10, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
I doubt that we are going nowhere! From most reports, Atheism is growing very rapidly. I am guessing that the internet, with forums like this, is one of the main reasons.
Get serious. You guys don't present very well.

All you are doing is drawing the others like you out of the woodwork.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#153133 Feb 10, 2013
GenoGirl wrote:
<quoted text>
Dude your not getting the point of my comment, I meant, you all disagree with each other, and it'll keep going round in circles, no maatter what you say to them, they wont beleive you
mtimber is a poe or a troll; he is not a believer. He is playing a game; but his game is helping me show the other readers how silly and often evil the bible god is, so I play along.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#153134 Feb 10, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so right about that. However we can learn from these Atheist. They do have some value that we can use. Also one must take in account those that come to the thread to read both sides of the argument. Some of these people may be on the fence. The fence riders can be reached.
Yep! That's why I quote the bible!!

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

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