Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

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#152637 Feb 9, 2013
Does that answer your stupid question?

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#152638 Feb 9, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>Dictionaries are fantastic tools, as long as you know how to use them. I won't be exampling the words - "religion" or "faith" - since they do not apply to atheism, as you'll see.

I'm going to look at the word meaning for - atheism - since that's what is in dispute here. I'll be using the Merriam-Webster definitions, too, like you did, no?

Let's look....

Definition of ATHEISM
1 archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity

Origin of ATHEISM
Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a-+ theos god
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ath...

You said you used Merriam-Webster for the definitions you supplied? This is what you supplied.

Langoliers wrote: Atheism
Belief that there is no Deity or Deities.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
Imagine that. The definition you supplied, and that you said came from Merriam-Webster doesn't match. Let's look at this word from Merriam Webster.

You might be unaware of what it means.

Definition of DECEITFUL
: having a tendency or disposition to deceive:
a : not honest <a deceitful child>
b : deceptive, misleading <deceitful advertising>

Synonyms: crooked, fraudulent, defrauding, dishonest, double-dealing, false

^^^ That^^^ is^^^what^^^deceitful^^^means^ ^^.

Anyway, let's continue. Did you notice that the word from Merriam-Webster used the word - disbelief - in defining atheism? Disbelief is key to understanding what atheism means, and is used in defining atheism in Merriam-Webster for obvious reasons. We should look at that word in more depth.

Definition of DISBELIEF
: the act of disbelieving : mental rejection of something as untrue

Examples of DISBELIEF
She stared at him in utter disbelief.
<their story explaining their absence was met with frank disbelief>

Synonyms: incredulity, nonbelief, unbelief

Related Words: discredit, distrust, doubt, mistrust, skepticism, suspicion, uncertainty; denial, rejection, repudiation, unfaith
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dis...

Notice it uses "nonbelief" and "unbelief" as synonyms, and also related words are "rejection" and "unfaith". Huh ... nonbelief and unfaith are related to - disbelief. That rules out religion or faith being a component of - atheism.

I figured we should probably look at the root meaning for the prefix - dis. This will clarify - disbelief - even further, and, what the fnck, I've got 4000 characters to burn here.

Plus, you said :
Langoliers wrote, " LOL. You'll have to do better then that."

*Then*, I guess I must, yes?

Continuing.

dis-/ not, not any / disbelief, discomfort, discredit, disrepair, disrespect
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0907036.html
^^^Look^^^ at^^^ that^^^.

It means - not, not any. So, when you combine the prefix "dis", with "belief", you get, in an actual meaning, not metaphorical, allegorical, simile or parable.....

...NOT - BELIEF, NOT ANY - BELIEF.

BTW the root meaning for "a" is not, without.

So, atheism means - NOT THEISM, WITHOUT THEISM.

One last definition from Merriam-Webster - the dictionary that you prefer.
http://tinyurl.com/6f8ghk
I think it and "deceitful" applies to you in this instance.

Using Merriam-Webster to define the word, it's clear - atheism - isn't a belief, faith, or religion.
Merriam-Webster

Atheist not atheism.
Pay attention.

athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity

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#152639 Feb 9, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>Why would jesus say this then?

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Key point that you do not understand

"any thing in my name"

You only ask in your name.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#152640 Feb 9, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't answer this question?
Do You believe there is no God or gods?
If you answer no then why do you attack Theists and call their faith a myth?
You do this because you do have a positive assertion that there is no God or gods. The facts are posted all over these threads by atheist and you with a positive assertion that there is no such thing as a God or gods.
Sorry but you lose.
Catcher white sheet has been drawn.

You no longer exist.

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#152641 Feb 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>I do not believe in gods you do.
You tell me there are a god , I don't believe you.
You cant bring one for us to see, so I think you are crazy.
You believe in god, I don't have this belief.

Since you can't show me this god I not only think you are crazy,but I think you are stupid too. For believing in invisible things you have no ability to see touch taste or smell.
Still You can't answer this question?

Do You believe there is no God or gods?

If you answer no then why do you attack Theists and call their faith a myth?

You do this because you do have a positive assertion that there is no God or gods. The facts are posted all over these threads by atheist and you with a positive assertion that there is no such thing as a God or gods.

Sorry but you lose.

Since: Apr 12

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#152642 Feb 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Does that answer your stupid question?
No but nice dancing.
My question requires only a yes or no for an answer not a page of explanation in an attempt to avoid the trap that lays in wait for you. You have proven your positive assertion many times over.

Do You believe there is no God or gods?

If you answer no then why do you attack Theists and call their faith a myth?

You do this because you do have a positive assertion that there is no God or gods. The facts are posted all over these threads by atheist and you with a positive assertion that there is no such thing as a God or gods.

Sorry but you lose.

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#152643 Feb 9, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Still You can't answer this question?
Do You believe there is no God or gods?
If you answer no then why do you attack Theists and call their faith a myth?
You do this because you do have a positive assertion that there is no God or gods. The facts are posted all over these threads by atheist and you with a positive assertion that there is no such thing as a God or gods.
Sorry but you lose.
Fundy logic doesn't equate to normal reality.
You said there is a god, now prove it.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152644 Feb 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Fundy logic doesn't equate to normal reality.
You said there is a god, now prove it.
LOL!!

Orrie don't believe nuttin'.

Langoliers doesn't realize he is talking to a fence post, does he?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#152645 Feb 9, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>Catcher white sheet has been drawn.

You no longer exist.
Well, it's about time.

He's been really annoyingly stupid.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#152647 Feb 9, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Merriam-Webster
Atheist not atheism.
Pay attention.
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
Why would I take anything you supply now as anything more than deceit.

Which you're doing again. In the original post, you supplied the wrong definition of - atheism.

Definition of THEISM

: belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/the...

I don't have - a belief in the existence of a god or gods -, nor do I rule them out.

I don't have a theist belief.

Root meaning of - a: not, without

atheist: not - theist without - theism

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152648 Feb 9, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would I take anything you supply now as anything more than deceit.
Which you're doing again. In the original post, you supplied the wrong definition of - atheism.
Definition of THEISM
: belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/the...
I don't have - a belief in the existence of a god or gods -, nor do I rule them out.
I don't have a theist belief.
Root meaning of - a: not, without
atheist: not - theist without - theism
You are a confused agnostic.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...

I don't believe your shifting letters to redefine to suit yourself works. Look at the root words and dates.

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#152649 Feb 9, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>Catcher white sheet has been drawn.

You no longer exist.
Noooooooooo..........

help me..........

goodbye cruel world..........

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#152650 Feb 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>Fundy logic doesn't equate to normal reality.
You said there is a god, now prove it.
Still You can't answer this question?

Do You believe there is no God or gods?

If you answer no then why do you attack Theists and call their faith a myth?

You do this because you do have a positive assertion that there is no God or gods. The facts are posted all over these threads by atheist and you with a positive assertion that there is no such thing as a God or gods.

Sorry but you still lose.

Since: Apr 12

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#152651 Feb 9, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>Why would I take anything you supply now as anything more than deceit.

Which you're doing again. In the original post, you supplied the wrong definition of - atheism.

Definition of THEISM

: belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/the...

I don't have - a belief in the existence of a god or gods -, nor do I rule them out.

I don't have a theist belief.

Root meaning of - a: not, without

atheist: not - theist without - theism
Do You believe there is no God or gods?

If you answer no then why do you attack Theists and call their faith a myth?

You do this because you do have a positive assertion that there is no God or gods. The facts are posted all over these threads by atheist and you with a positive assertion that there is no such thing as a God or gods.

Sorry but you lose.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152652 Feb 9, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would I take anything you supply now as anything more than deceit.
Which you're doing again. In the original post, you supplied the wrong definition of - atheism.
Definition of THEISM
: belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/the...
I don't have - a belief in the existence of a god or gods -, nor do I rule them out.
I don't have a theist belief.
Root meaning of - a: not, without
atheist: not - theist without - theism
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/theism

You SHOULD note there was atheism before theism. Look in the derived terms and you will not see atheism.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#152653 Feb 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a confused agnostic.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...
I don't believe your shifting letters to redefine to suit yourself works. Look at the root words and dates.
Thanks for supporting what I've been pointing out.

An atheist does not have the theist belief there is a god or gods.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

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#152654 Feb 9, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
Do You believe there is no God or gods?
No, I don't.
Langoliers wrote:
If you answer no then why do you attack Theists and call their faith a myth?
Because there is no proof of there being deities, and myth best fits the stories about the deities that theists believe in.

Noun: myth
1. A traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
2. A traditional story accepted as history; serves to explain the world view of a people.
WordWeb Pro 6.0

That is an accurate term.
Langoliers wrote:
You do this because you do have a positive assertion that there is no God or gods.
Langoliers wrote:
The facts are posted all over these threads by atheist and you with a positive assertion that there is no such thing as a God or gods.
Sorry but you lose.
No, all atheist lack one thing, a theist belief that there are deities.

Some may express that in many different ways.

If I were a gnostic atheist, things might be different, but I'm not.

I am a non-theist, I am an atheist.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#152655 Feb 9, 2013
zander714 wrote:
When we leave this world, we are going back to God himself.
When we die, we stop to exist and our body rots away

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152656 Feb 9, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for supporting what I've been pointing out.
An atheist does not have the theist belief there is a god or gods.
"1570s, from French athéiste (16c.), from Greek atheos "without god, denying the gods; abandoned of the gods; godless, ungodly," from a- "without" + theos "a god" "

OK, then we will just say you are confused.

Agnostic fits your pronounced non-belief better than atheist. Unless you were abandoned by the gods.

But I am sure atheist sounds cooler to you.

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#152657 Feb 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
"1570s, from French athéiste (16c.), from Greek atheos "without god, denying the gods; abandoned of the gods; godless, ungodly," from a- "without" + theos "a god" "
OK, then we will just say you are confused.
Agnostic fits your pronounced non-belief better than atheist. Unless you were abandoned by the gods.
But I am sure atheist sounds cooler to you.
Agnosticism and atheism answer two different questions: whether the existence of god is known and whether the existence of god is believed.

Virtually all people who call themselves agnostics are atheists, and vice versa.

I do not know of the existence of any gods, so I am an agnostic. Without evidence, I choose not to believe, so I am also an atheist.

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