Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#151767 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
You do not have the right to discuss sin until you can account for it...
Until you can do that, you are just merely expressing an arbitrary opinion, which has no rational justification.
I wasn't discussing it as much as I was just mocking you, since sin doesn't really exist..

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#151768 Feb 4, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I see you licked your wounds and returned only to ignore and dodge questions and puke out Eric Hovind and William Lane Craig lines.
An original thought from you would be nice drone.
<quoted text>
Do you have any other argumentation technique other than ad hominem?

Do you have a logical and rational argument to make in other words?

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#151769 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
What inconsistency?
The Bible plainly teaches we are all born sinful by nature.
What a demeaning religion...a child is born with a big fat "WELCOME TO THE WORLD, SINNER!!!"

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#151770 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
How's life in the Dark Ages treating you?
I cope I suppose.

This secular Dark Ages we are currently living in is not conducive to good rational logical discussion that is clear.

But, as the bible teaches, it is about to come to an end soon enough and all this foolishness will cease.
Thinking

Saffron Walden, UK

#151771 Feb 4, 2013
Do remember to thank your all powerful god for miscarriages and childhood leukaemia.
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
One doesn't.
The all powerful God does...

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#151772 Feb 4, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Circular reason logical fallacy.
<quoted text>
There is a difference between a virtuous circular argument and vicious circular argument.

The First Cause, must be self attesting, therefore it is logical for it to self attest...

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#151773 Feb 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I was pointing out that your "absolute" claims are absolutely nonsense because you say "there are absolutes" then hypocritically ignore those same absolutes when applied to your god. If what you claim is absolute, then your god would also be accountable to abide by the very same things you claim anything else is accountable to, including your morals.
God is the source of those absolutes, I have made that abundantly clear.

But how can you as an atheist make absolute claims like you have done here?

You can only do that by denying atheism.

You realise that you have done that here, right?

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#151774 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
I wasn't discussing it as much as I was just mocking you, since sin doesn't really exist..
Ah, so you retreated to the intellectual bastions of prejudiced ad hominem...

You realise that as soon as you do that, you have basically retreated from the field of battle?

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#151775 Feb 4, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Do remember to thank your all powerful god for miscarriages and childhood leukaemia.
<quoted text>
So I assume that if you think miscarriages are wrong, you are opposed to abortion?

Do you also thank God for that?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#151776 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
.... sin in you, controls you, so that you cannot even reason clearly and logically and see the absurdity of your argument.
Cop-out, you cannot counter GML's argument so you just call it "sin."

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#151777 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
God is the source of those absolutes, I have made that abundantly clear.
But how can you as an atheist make absolute claims like you have done here?
You can only do that by denying atheism.
You realise that you have done that here, right?
You cannot have a source for "absolute," things either are absolute or not. If your god does not have to abide by something, then it is not absolute because there is an exception. If it is absolute then your god must abide it as well, otherwise it would not be an absolute.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#151778 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
What a demeaning religion...a child is born with a big fat "WELCOME TO THE WORLD, SINNER!!!"
Demeaning?

I thought you were an atheist?

You keep making absolute moral statements that clearly reveal you are fully aware of the transcendental absolute laws of morality that have been revealed to you by God...

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#151779 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
What a demeaning religion...a child is born with a big fat "WELCOME TO THE WORLD, SINNER!!!"
But let us consider your belief system.

Man is born an animal and has no purpose, not destiny and no hope.

And you think the promise of rescue from this world and eternal life is a negative?

Wow...

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#151780 Feb 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Cop-out, you cannot counter GML's argument so you just call it "sin."
No, I am accounting for GML's arbitrary and inconsistent appeal to two different standards at the same time.

The same practice that you engage in, over and over, in many of your posts.

You argue the principles of atheism, whilst appealing subconsciously to the principles of christianity to prove your atheism.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#151781 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
I cope I suppose.
This secular Dark Ages we are currently living in is not conducive to good rational logical discussion that is clear.
But, as the bible teaches, it is about to come to an end soon enough and all this foolishness will cease.
Oh my - the end is near? Again?

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#151782 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, so you retreated to the intellectual bastions of prejudiced ad hominem...
You realise that as soon as you do that, you have basically retreated from the field of battle?
You do realize that in an intellectual battle you're outgunned since all of your arguments boil down to "God good - everything else bad."

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#151783 Feb 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You cannot have a source for "absolute," things either are absolute or not. If your god does not have to abide by something, then it is not absolute because there is an exception. If it is absolute then your god must abide it as well, otherwise it would not be an absolute.
You are making a simple error in your premise that many atheists make.

You assume that the argument is that "everything" has a cause.

When the reality is that only "effects" have a cause.

The universe and man was effected, by the First Cause.

The First Cause, by simple deductive logic cannot be "caused", as He is not an effect of anything.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#151784 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Demeaning?
I thought you were an atheist?
You keep making absolute moral statements that clearly reveal you are fully aware of the transcendental absolute laws of morality that have been revealed to you by God...
There is no god, therefore, no god has revealed anything to me.

Seriously, this is why you look so silly...

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#151785 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
You do realize that in an intellectual battle you're outgunned since all of your arguments boil down to "God good - everything else bad."
Unless you can account for the laws of logic, you have no right to step onto the battlefield...

So lets see your credentials...

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#151786 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh my - the end is near? Again?
Indeed.

And deep down inside you know that.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Top Stories Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Roman Catholic church only true church, says Va... (Jul '07) 6 min kent 558,679
Bush is a hero (Sep '07) 9 min Rider on the Storm 175,480
Thousands march in Holocaust memorial (Apr '06) 10 min SobieskiSavedEurope 27
Prove there's a god. (Mar '08) 11 min Stilgar Fifrawi 773,133
Was 9/11 a conspiracy?? (Oct '07) 13 min An NFL Fan 264,939
Jehovah's Witnesses are true disciple of Jesus ... (Mar '07) 13 min lovewithin 39,332
Rumored to sell off for 1 BILLION Hearthside Fo... 21 min CAL 3
Why Should Jesus Love Me? (Feb '08) 1 hr Peace_Warrior 604,729