Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#151761 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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There is no such thing as sin?
Really?
Really.

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#151762 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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According to every religious person who has ever lived, EVERY human sins, religious or not.
How do you explain that inconsistency in your argument?
You do not have the right to discuss sin until you can account for it...

Until you can do that, you are just merely expressing an arbitrary opinion, which has no rational justification.

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#151763 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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According to every religious person who has ever lived, EVERY human sins, religious or not.
How do you explain that inconsistency in your argument?
What inconsistency?

The Bible plainly teaches we are all born sinful by nature.

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#151764 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Because your fizz has clearly fizzled.
What makes your fizz a better fizz?

According to your worldview, we are just both fizzing.

So your arguing with me here is absolutely purposeless.

The only way to be consistent with your atheism, if you were a true atheist, is to admit that all fizzing is relative and therefore no fizzing is right or wrong.

That is of course if you were really true to your convictions...

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#151765 Feb 4, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
First you just show a god exists before you can assign properties an assumptions to him. Your god encourages rape, incest, slavery, genocide, putting every infant to the sword and torturing people forever for imaginary crimes.
This is your standard of morality? Sorry but secular morality is by far superior.
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God doesn't exist and He isn't very nice?

I hope you can see the illogical nature of your argument.

Which is little more than a suppression of the truth.

The sin in you, controls you, so that you cannot even reason clearly and logically and see the absurdity of your argument.

“I Am No One Else”

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#151766 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You are making an absolute truth claim here, that everything needs to be created.
You can only make that if you absolutely know all truth.
Upon what basis do you make that absolute truth claim?
Is it your own arbitrary opinion?
Actually, I was pointing out that your "absolute" claims are absolutely nonsense because you say "there are absolutes" then hypocritically ignore those same absolutes when applied to your god. If what you claim is absolute, then your god would also be accountable to abide by the very same things you claim anything else is accountable to, including your morals.

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#151767 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You do not have the right to discuss sin until you can account for it...
Until you can do that, you are just merely expressing an arbitrary opinion, which has no rational justification.
I wasn't discussing it as much as I was just mocking you, since sin doesn't really exist..

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#151768 Feb 4, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I see you licked your wounds and returned only to ignore and dodge questions and puke out Eric Hovind and William Lane Craig lines.
An original thought from you would be nice drone.
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Do you have any other argumentation technique other than ad hominem?

Do you have a logical and rational argument to make in other words?

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#151769 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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What inconsistency?
The Bible plainly teaches we are all born sinful by nature.
What a demeaning religion...a child is born with a big fat "WELCOME TO THE WORLD, SINNER!!!"

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#151770 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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How's life in the Dark Ages treating you?
I cope I suppose.

This secular Dark Ages we are currently living in is not conducive to good rational logical discussion that is clear.

But, as the bible teaches, it is about to come to an end soon enough and all this foolishness will cease.
Thinking

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#151771 Feb 4, 2013
Do remember to thank your all powerful god for miscarriages and childhood leukaemia.
mtimber wrote:
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One doesn't.
The all powerful God does...

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#151772 Feb 4, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Circular reason logical fallacy.
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There is a difference between a virtuous circular argument and vicious circular argument.

The First Cause, must be self attesting, therefore it is logical for it to self attest...

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#151773 Feb 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Actually, I was pointing out that your "absolute" claims are absolutely nonsense because you say "there are absolutes" then hypocritically ignore those same absolutes when applied to your god. If what you claim is absolute, then your god would also be accountable to abide by the very same things you claim anything else is accountable to, including your morals.
God is the source of those absolutes, I have made that abundantly clear.

But how can you as an atheist make absolute claims like you have done here?

You can only do that by denying atheism.

You realise that you have done that here, right?

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#151774 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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I wasn't discussing it as much as I was just mocking you, since sin doesn't really exist..
Ah, so you retreated to the intellectual bastions of prejudiced ad hominem...

You realise that as soon as you do that, you have basically retreated from the field of battle?

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#151775 Feb 4, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Do remember to thank your all powerful god for miscarriages and childhood leukaemia.
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So I assume that if you think miscarriages are wrong, you are opposed to abortion?

Do you also thank God for that?

“I Am No One Else”

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#151776 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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.... sin in you, controls you, so that you cannot even reason clearly and logically and see the absurdity of your argument.
Cop-out, you cannot counter GML's argument so you just call it "sin."

“I Am No One Else”

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#151777 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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God is the source of those absolutes, I have made that abundantly clear.
But how can you as an atheist make absolute claims like you have done here?
You can only do that by denying atheism.
You realise that you have done that here, right?
You cannot have a source for "absolute," things either are absolute or not. If your god does not have to abide by something, then it is not absolute because there is an exception. If it is absolute then your god must abide it as well, otherwise it would not be an absolute.

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#151778 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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What a demeaning religion...a child is born with a big fat "WELCOME TO THE WORLD, SINNER!!!"
Demeaning?

I thought you were an atheist?

You keep making absolute moral statements that clearly reveal you are fully aware of the transcendental absolute laws of morality that have been revealed to you by God...

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#151779 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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What a demeaning religion...a child is born with a big fat "WELCOME TO THE WORLD, SINNER!!!"
But let us consider your belief system.

Man is born an animal and has no purpose, not destiny and no hope.

And you think the promise of rescue from this world and eternal life is a negative?

Wow...

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#151780 Feb 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Cop-out, you cannot counter GML's argument so you just call it "sin."
No, I am accounting for GML's arbitrary and inconsistent appeal to two different standards at the same time.

The same practice that you engage in, over and over, in many of your posts.

You argue the principles of atheism, whilst appealing subconsciously to the principles of christianity to prove your atheism.

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