Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#151727 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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When you condemn the morality in the scripture, then you are appealing to an absolute standard of morality to make that condemnation.
If my argument were that slavery is evil and the Bible support slavery, you'd be correct. But that is not what I'm arguing.

I am arguing that YOU think slavery is evil and YOU think the Bible is perfectly good, so the Bible condoning, rather than condemning slavery, is a big, big problem for you.

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#151728 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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...yes, religion is like a virus that has harmed mankind for ages.
Sin is the virus.

The proof of that is that atheists sin...

Ever considered that?

You want to blame religion of sin, yet you sin and deny all religion.

How do you explain that inconsistency in your argument?

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#151729 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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...yes, religion is like a virus that has harmed mankind for ages.
Atheism under the ideology of communism is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.

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#151730 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Please explain how the mechanism of 'sin' works on the human brain.
Also, how does sin infect the system?
Can one detect it and by what means?
Very easy.

Certain transcendental laws are known by man and used by man.

Those laws however clearly point to the Creator.

So the sinner, who wants to be selfish and live in sin, denies those laws when confronted with their implications.

But then appeals to them unconsciously and constantly.

When seen and pointed out, they drop all knowledge of those laws like a child dropping the stolen cookie.

Hence, proving the point...

Your behaviour is simple proof of sin and how it works on the human mind...

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#151731 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So the law of non-contradiction is a human invention?
The idea that the chair can be and cannot be in the same place at the same time in the same sense, is a human invention?
Is that what you are claiming?
In the sense that the law is a description of reality, yes. The reality is not a human invention; the description is.

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#151732 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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That isn't a moral position at all.
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You hold that your moral system is perfect, without contradiction. I provided you with contradictions. So, it fails.
Until you can account for your own position on morality, you have no basis to discuss the issue.

What is your position?

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#151733 Feb 4, 2013
And why are you hiding it?

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#151734 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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If my argument were that slavery is evil and the Bible support slavery, you'd be correct. But that is not what I'm arguing.
I am arguing that YOU think slavery is evil and YOU think the Bible is perfectly good, so the Bible condoning, rather than condemning slavery, is a big, big problem for you.
I have provided the basis for absolute morality as a Christian.

Yet you have failed to do so.

Why is that?

Why don't you have the courage to put your own worldview on trial?

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#151735 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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No it is not a scientific theory.
How so?
mtimber wrote:
And once again, I do not reject "science", but true science has to be subject to the laws of logic, mathematics and uniformity that are transcendent and originate in God.
No, no, no. You don't care about methodology or what laws of logic or math science appeals to. Your complaints are based on RESULTS. You don't like the findings, so you reject the science.
christianity is EVIL

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#151736 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Oh...
...So "Wet Rocks Did It".
We have a new theory for the birth of evolutionary life.
wetrocksdidit
You might want to test that theology empirically before telling others they are ignorant because they refuse to accept that by faith...
are you related to Retarded Redneck?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
christianity is EVIL

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#151737 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Sin is the virus.
The proof of that is that atheists sin...
Ever considered that?
You want to blame religion of sin, yet you sin and deny all religion.
How do you explain that inconsistency in your argument?
SIN is Self Induced Nonsense,,grow up kid

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#151738 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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How so?
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No, no, no. You don't care about methodology or what laws of logic or math science appeals to. Your complaints are based on RESULTS. You don't like the findings, so you reject the science.
Not at all.

God is the First Cause.

All of science must therefore logically be subject to Him.

God first.

Science second.

Logical.

Now about this absolute morality you cannot account for, and seem reluctant to try to account for?
christianity is EVIL

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#151739 Feb 4, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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god is logicaly contradictory to be real
no omniscience needed
www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm
spread the word
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which part of CONTRADICTORY didnt you understand,bucko
your god doesnt exist,get used to it
Eagle12 wrote:
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Oh please, are you serious?
That web is an extremist atheist site that is full of bias and misinformation.
That sight will say anything and you believe them?
TRUTH hurts dont it duckyboy12 ...LOL

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#151740 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Certain transcendental laws are known by man and used by man.
Some examples, please.
mtimber wrote:
So the sinner, who wants to be selfish and live in sin, denies those laws when confronted with their implications.
The objection involves ethics that are completely unrelated to the person in question. Many men don't find abortion to be immoral even though an abortion is not an action they will ever commit. Their position cannot possibly be based on selfishness or their own 'sins'. Many heterosexuals do not find homosexuality to be immoral even though they will never engage in homosexuality. They are never confronted by these implications in any way.

You have still not provided us with the mechanism by which sin infects people or any mechanism by which we can detect it.

You have not been able to explain why morality is so different among cultures. Are non-Christian people simply inherently BAD? All those Hindus who go pray at their temple KNOW they are doing something evil but choose to do so anyway?

Your stance is absurd and unevidenced.

Additionally, your disingenuous "argument" can be used by ANY OTHER opposing moral system.

True morality is eating nothing but corn. If you eat anything else, you are sinning. And you know you're sinning. If you disagree that eating other things is a sin, that's just the sin talking.

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#151741 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Until you can account for your own position on morality, you have no basis to discuss the issue.
What is your position?
I don't need to give any position on morality to show that yours is flawed.

Stop trying to change the subject. Your moral system is self-contradictory. Deal with it.

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#151742 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I have provided the basis for absolute morality as a Christian.
Yet you have failed to do so.
Why is that?
Why don't you have the courage to put your own worldview on trial?
You continue to refuse to address the contradiction.

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#151743 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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In the sense that the law is a description of reality, yes. The reality is not a human invention; the description is.
So the law of non-contradiction is not a human invention after all...

How do you account for its existence?

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#151744 Feb 4, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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are you related to Retarded Redneck?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
How does that help you account for absolute laws of morality?

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#151745 Feb 4, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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SIN is Self Induced Nonsense,,grow up kid
There is no such thing as sin?

Really?

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#151746 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Not at all.
God is the First Cause.
All of science must therefore logically be subject to Him.
God first.
Science second.
Logical.
That's not logical at all. Science must practice methodological naturalism or it is useless.
mtimber wrote:
Now about this absolute morality you cannot account for, and seem reluctant to try to account for?
Where did I try to account for it?

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