Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Feb 1, 2013
 
The_Box wrote:
Scientific knowledge tells us that brains die quite quickly. Jesus died. And stayed dead.
OK, human brains. What scientific tests are available to test God's brain?

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<quoted text>Only in underdeveloped countries.

They'll learn eventually.
The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, atheists 2.04%.

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Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.

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Gray also noted that, "of those raised as atheists, 30% are now affiliated with a Protestant denomination, 10% are Catholic, 2% are Jewish, 1% are Mormon, and 1% are Pagan."

Jehovah's Witness, congregationalist and holiness churches had the next lowest retention rates at 37 percent, 37 percent and 32 percent, respectively. Thirty-eight percent of those who grew up with no particular religious faith or belief system remained that way.

Hindus had the highest retention rate at 84 percent, followed by Jews (76 percent), Muslims (76 percent), Greek Orthodox (73 percent), Mormons (70 percent) and Catholics (68 percent).

Baptists had the highest retention rate of the Protestant Christian categories at 60 percent, followed by Lutheran (59 percent) and Pentecostal (50 percent).

http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...

[Right; NO thinking people don't want to be atheists.]

From: Deseret News / Salt Lake City, UT

July, 2012

“Atheists abandon their beliefs more often than people in other religious groups, study finds”

A new study has found that people raised in an atheist home abandon those beliefs as adults more often than people raised with other religious belief systems, putting atheism at a 30 percent retention rate. Conclusions and interpretations of the study are that atheists are more often "made" as adults rather than "raised." The highest retention rates are in the Hindu faith, which holds onto about 84 percent of adherents.

Those who grow up in an atheist household are least likely to maintain their beliefs about religion as adults, according to a study by Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA).

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589392/...

[Who would want to be an atheist? LOL]"

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<quoted text>From your own link:

2006 Christianity: 74.8%
2031 Christianity: 64.8%

It sure is convenient when you prove yourself wrong!
So you are now basing your numbers on Guesses of what might be 20 years into the future? LOL

Here are some REAL numbers not make believe.

The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, atheists 2.04%.

"Posted earlier by derek4

Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.

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Gray also noted that, "of those raised as atheists, 30% are now affiliated with a Protestant denomination, 10% are Catholic, 2% are Jewish, 1% are Mormon, and 1% are Pagan."

Jehovah's Witness, congregationalist and holiness churches had the next lowest retention rates at 37 percent, 37 percent and 32 percent, respectively. Thirty-eight percent of those who grew up with no particular religious faith or belief system remained that way.

Hindus had the highest retention rate at 84 percent, followed by Jews (76 percent), Muslims (76 percent), Greek Orthodox (73 percent), Mormons (70 percent) and Catholics (68 percent).

Baptists had the highest retention rate of the Protestant Christian categories at 60 percent, followed by Lutheran (59 percent) and Pentecostal (50 percent).

http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...

[Right; NO thinking people don't want to be atheists.]

From: Deseret News / Salt Lake City, UT

July, 2012

“Atheists abandon their beliefs more often than people in other religious groups, study finds”

A new study has found that people raised in an atheist home abandon those beliefs as adults more often than people raised with other religious belief systems, putting atheism at a 30 percent retention rate. Conclusions and interpretations of the study are that atheists are more often "made" as adults rather than "raised." The highest retention rates are in the Hindu faith, which holds onto about 84 percent of adherents.

Those who grow up in an atheist household are least likely to maintain their beliefs about religion as adults, according to a study by Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA).

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589392/...

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<quoted text>Sure, for a human...

Jesus is God. He can survive without oxygen...

It's really cute how atheists feel a need to put human limitations on God.
Every time I see those kinds of post from atheist it opens my understanding of them even further.

They don't have a clue do they?

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<quoted text>*sips coffee and waits for Septic's facts that God isn't real*
You'll hear nothing but Crickets!

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Are you still humiliating yourself with this church website copy and paste?!! This info has been factually crushed quite a while ago.

So a Christian website is a neutral reliable source? Lmfao!! Even if the info was correct, which it's not, all you are clinging to is a bandwagon logical fallacy argument. Your mom dashed this when you were 9 and she said.., if everyone else was jumping off a bridge would you do it to?

Keep scampering made for TV King series lover!

You really have nothing else do you? Your IQ really is this low isn't it?
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http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...

Who would want to be an atheist?

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The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>You have no evidence to suggest this is true.

RiversideRedneck wrote, "
It's really cute how atheists feel a need to put human limitations on God. "

No, it's cute how theists think that "making shit up" is a valid argument.
"You have no evidence to suggest this is true."

Yes we do. We have many eye witness.

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OK, human brains. What scientific tests are available to test God's brain?
You'd have to show that a god exists before even answering such a question.

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Langoliers wrote:
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Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups
Right, because atheists don't indoctrinate their children like the religious do.

So if atheists have a lower 'retention rate' with their children, why are they increasing in numbers so rapidly?

Because it's ADULTS leaving religion.

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Every time I see those kinds of post from atheist it opens my understanding of them even further.
They don't have a clue do they?
Not in the slightest. Their minds are shut.

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You'd have to show that a god exists before even answering such a question.
No, you are the one that needs to answer that question. I'm not the one doubting that God exists.

I'm the one that can except that God exists without having scientific fact for it.

Because humans aren't smart enough yet to make up a "God test" to verify that he is in fact real.
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Stop lying- if you can.

2/3rds of Britons say they are not religious.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12799801
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Greece - 99% religious
Italy - 87%
Belgium - 76%
France -61%
Norway - 84%(and rising at 231.1%)
Spain - 71%
UK - 78%
Portugal - 84%
USA - 81%
Gee.... All those "idiots" in 1st world countries.....

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Right, because atheists don't indoctrinate their children like the religious do.
HA HA HA !!!!

Sure you don't....

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<quoted text>Are you still humiliating yourself with this church website copy and paste?!! This info has been factually crushed quite a while ago.

So a Christian website is a neutral reliable source? Lmfao!! Even if the info was correct, which it's not, all you are clinging to is a bandwagon logical fallacy argument. Your mom dashed this when you were 9 and she said.., if everyone else was jumping off a bridge would you do it to?

Keep scampering made for TV King series lover!

You really have nothing else do you? Your IQ really is this low isn't it?
Here idiot read it again.
The United States "Central Intelligent's Agency". The CIA is as far away from a religious group as one can get.

The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, atheists 2.04%.

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We just know to keep reality and fantasy separate.
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Not in the slightest. Their minds are shut.

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Langoliers wrote:
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"You have no evidence to suggest this is true."
Yes we do. We have many eye witness.
No, you don't.

You have 4 pieces of writing...
...which were written by anonymous authors.
...which were written 50 years after the events.
...which were written by cult members.
...which aren't independent.
...which aren't historical, but religious, in nature.
...which contradict one another.
...which contain historically questionable events.
...which contain scientifically impossible events.

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<quoted text>Right, because atheists don't indoctrinate their children like the religious do.

So if atheists have a lower 'retention rate' with their children, why are they increasing in numbers so rapidly?

Because it's ADULTS leaving religion.
Numbers growing - because the population is growing world wide. Percentage of atheism is shrinking and here is the proof.

From 2.3% in 2005 to 2.04% in 2012.

"A survey published in the 2005 Encyclopedia Britannica stated that 2.3% of the world's population consists of individuals who profess "atheism, skepticism, disbelief, or irreligion, including the militantly antireligious." In regards to the 2.3% figure just mentioned, the 2005 survey cited by Encyclopedia Britannica survey did not include Buddhist in regards to the 2.3% figure and Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic."

Wikipedia:

"Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population.[citation needed] It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not"

Wikipedia :

"2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic)"

Wikipedia :

"According to one estimate, atheists make up about 2.3% of the world's population"

"In 2007, a Pew Forum survey found that the atheist population in the United States was 1.6% of the American population."

"Global atheism is shrinking and demographic changes in the United States and the world are expected to shrink the influence of American secularism."

The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, atheists 2.04%.

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I'm the one that can except that God exists without having scientific fact for it.
You are not accepting it; you are CLAIMING it.

You need to back up your claims with evidence.

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Feb 1, 2013
 
Name these historical eye witnesses, what they saw and secular historical proof they even existed.

We won't hold our breath.
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"You have no evidence to suggest this is true."
Yes we do. We have many eye witness.

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Langoliers wrote:
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Numbers growing - because the population is growing world wide. Percentage of atheism is shrinking and here is the proof.
My statement was related to 1st World nations, not the world. I've said that numerous times.

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