Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[The_Box]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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OK then, all you habe is what you think. Correct.

I have reason. I reject extraordinary claims that are unsupported by evidence.

You, on the other hand, accept some extraordinary claims that are unsupported by evidence, while rejecting others.

I am consistent. You are not.

RiversideRedneck wrote:

I always do.

No, you don't, and you've already shown that. You take the Bible at face value, but don't do the same for other religious texts.

RiversideRedneck wrote:

There is multitudes of evidence that Islam is a copycat of Christianity.

How is it a copycat? The primary thing that Christianity added to Judaism was Jesus as God and Savior. Islam does not accept that.

[The_Box]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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OH!.... "scholars"
You make a strong argument, how can I argue with that?

You can't, because you know you historians don't accept religious claims as historical fact.

RiversideRedneck wrote:

Same story? I think you meant if I was told a different story...?

No, the same story.

If we found a book written by anonymous members of David Koresh's cult, and it stated that David Koresh could magically heal the sick, walk on water, turn water into wine, and that he once died and resurrected, you would not believe it, would you?

Of course not. These claims are ridiculous. They're way out there. You would have to see some extremely good evidence before you accepted them as true.

[RiversideRedneck]

The_Box wrote:

I have reason. I reject extraordinary claims that are unsupported by evidence.
You, on the other hand, accept some extraordinary claims that are unsupported by evidence, while rejecting others.
I am consistent. You are not.

Yes, I have my beliefs & you have yours.

No, you don't, and you've already shown that. You take the Bible at face value, but don't do the same for other religious texts.

Now you're assuming I take the Bible at face value?

Knock it off.

How is it a copycat? The primary thing that Christianity added to Judaism was Jesus as God and Savior. Islam does not accept that.

There are so many similarities its ridiculous. Feel free to google it if you're not afraid to learn.

The bible has Adam
The Quran has Adam

In the bible, Jesus was born to the Virginia Mary
In the Quran, Jesus was born to the Virginia Mary

The list goes on and on and on.

Islam was "created" 600 years after Christianity, you can't say it wasn't copied.

[RiversideRedneck]

The_Box wrote:

You can't, because you know you historians don't accept religious claims as historical fact.

Historians? I thought it was scholars....

Make up your mind.

[RiversideRedneck]

The_Box wrote:

If we found a book written by anonymous members of David Koresh's cult, and it stated that David Koresh could magically heal the sick, walk on water, turn water into wine, and that he once died and resurrected, you would not believe it, would you?
Of course not. These claims are ridiculous. They're way out there. You would have to see some extremely good evidence before you accepted them as true.

Yes, it would take a lot to consider Vern Howell's stories.

Not because they're so fantastic, but because done Jesus, many have claimed to be just like him....

[The_Box]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Yes, I have my beliefs & you have yours.

I accept things that are evidenced. You accept things that aren't.

RiversideRedneck wrote:

Now you're assuming I take the Bible at face value?
Knock it off.

You said so, Buddy.

"It's part of our recorded history, it's no claim."

The sole source for the claims about Jesus' miracles and divinity and resurrection is the Bible. You are accepting its claims at face value.

RiversideRedneck wrote:

There are so many similarities its ridiculous. Feel free to google it if you're not afraid to learn.

I already went over this. Islam is an expansion of Christianity like Christianity is an expansion of Judaism.

Why don't you call Christianity a copycat of Judaism? They both have Adam, and Noah, and Moses, and Abraham.

[The_Box]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Historians? I thought it was scholars....
Make up your mind.

Historians ARE scholars.

[Religion is Fraud]

Since memory and awareness cease upon death, it proves all flavors of death denying domgas are nothing but lies for cowards.

[The_Box]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Yes, it would take a lot to consider Vern Howell's stories.
Not because they're so fantastic, but because done Jesus, many have claimed to be just like him....

Not because they're so fantastic? Ok, then let me switch it up.

When I was a kid, I knew a guy who was 30 feet tall and shot lasers out of his eyes. Do you accept these claims?

[Aerobatty]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

<quoted text>"claimed"? It's part of our recorded history, it's no claim.

[QUOTE] I'm not. There's no reason to actually believe he did any of those things. That's choosing superstition over reason. "

You don't get to choose whether or not you want to "believe" history.

[QUOTE] Your argument could be applied to every religious claim. How does Zeus cause lightning? Well, you just can't comprehend how he does it!
You're skipping over the fact that there's no good reason to believe Zeus throws lightning or Jesus resurrected to begin with. It's delusion. "

Where was it written that Zeus threw lightning?

Where's the Zeus bible?

(good luck finding it)

Zeus and his ilk have gone down in history as myth.

Jesus is a prominant role in the lives of many people worldwide.

Jesus and his ilk, after a few more failed Armageddon's and raptures, will be joining Zeus et. al.

A couple of more generations at most, though there will undoubtedly be some hangers on in underdeveloped countries.

[Aerobatty]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

<quoted text>Yes, Islamic claims are just that, claims. Thanks!

[QUOTE] It's not history. "

Yes it is.

[QUOTE] Homer and Hesiod both wrote about Zeus. "

Funny atheist. You believe that a man named Homer actually existed & you take that as history but you fight back against people like Matthew, Mark & John.....
You can put your foot in your mouth whenever you're ready.

Funny.

Islamists think their religious "history" is just as valid as you do yours.

[scaritual]

The_Box wrote:

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Not because they're so fantastic? Ok, then let me switch it up.
When I was a kid, I knew a guy who was 30 feet tall and shot lasers out of his eyes. Do you accept these claims?

You too?

[Langoliers]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

<quoted text>OH!.... "scholars"

You make a strong argument, how can I argue with that?

[QUOTE] Why do you accept the Gospel stories at face value when, if you were told the same story by someone else, you'd call BS? "

Same story? I think you meant if I was told a different story...?

LOL

[RiversideRedneck]

The_Box wrote:

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Historians ARE scholars.

LMAO!

scholar

Noun

A specialist in a particular branch of study, esp. the humanities; a distinguished academic: "a Hebrew scholar".

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historian

Noun
An expert in or student of history, esp. that of a particular period, region, or social phenomenon.

umm......

[RiversideRedneck]

The_Box wrote:

I accept things that are evidenced. You accept things that aren't.

Like what?

You said so, Buddy.
"It's part of our recorded history, it's no claim."
The sole source for the claims about Jesus' miracles and divinity and resurrection is the Bible. You are accepting its claims at face value.

Wrong. There are many historians that have researched Jesus. Read for yourself. Try not to be a typical atheist & cherry pick (I'll notice).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

I already went over this. Islam is an expansion of Christianity like Christianity is an expansion of Judaism.
Why don't you call Christianity a copycat of Judaism? They both have Adam, and Noah, and Moses, and Abraham.

Because Christianity isn't a copycat of Judaism.

Judaism, Christianity & Islam are all Abrahamic religions.

[RiversideRedneck]

The_Box wrote:

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Not because they're so fantastic? Ok, then let me switch it up.
When I was a kid, I knew a guy who was 30 feet tall and shot lasers out of his eyes. Do you accept these claims?

Oh yes, because that's a much less fantasic story......

[RiversideRedneck]

Aerobatty wrote:

Jesus and his ilk, after a few more failed Armageddon's and raptures, will be joining Zeus et. al.
A couple of more generations at most, though there will undoubtedly be some hangers on in underdeveloped countries.

Thanks for inputting your asumptions.

I guess you don't know that Christianity is rising faster than the wrold's population....

[The_Box]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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LMAO!
scholar
Noun
A specialist in a particular branch of study, esp. the humanities; a distinguished academic: "a Hebrew scholar".
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historian
Noun
An expert in or student of history, esp. that of a particular period, region, or social phenomenon.
umm......

Yes, thank you for confirming that I was right.

Historians are specialists in a particular branch of study: history. They are scholars.

[scaritual]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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LMAO!
scholar
Noun
A specialist in a particular branch of study, esp. the humanities; a distinguished academic: "a Hebrew scholar".
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historian
Noun
An expert in or student of history, esp. that of a particular period, region, or social phenomenon.
umm......

Thanks for illustrating you don't get it.

[The_Box]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Like what?

Like the claims of Christianity.

RiversideRedneck wrote:

Wrong. There are many historians that have researched Jesus. Read for yourself. Try not to be a typical atheist & cherry pick (I'll notice).

I specifically stated "Jesus' miracles and divinity and resurrection".

RiversideRedneck wrote:

Because Christianity isn't a copycat of Judaism.

It is by your definition of copycat, which was that they have some of the same characters.