Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Jan 13

Gateshead, UK

#151034 Jan 30, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
The absence of evidence for anything supernatural is the evidence it's superstition you doink and your silly humanoid sky fairy will remain a superstition until the day evidence presents itself.
"The absence of Evidence is not evidence of absence" "science" has already proven that alternative dimensions exist. Is it entirely un plausible that another group of entities perhaps live in these other dimensions? Perhaps our dimensions sometimes phase together very briefly and we see the remnants of another time and reality. We could see ourselves 10 years from now and then they could disappear in an instant. Paranormal things can be easily explained through science. Science is theory, I just gave you a theory, therefore it is Science. Don't believe in anything, always try to be open minded about everything. Belief is simply a tool used by those that can't think for themselves. Atheism, Christianity, Catholicism, They all rely on belief. Even Science is a belief system because it relies on it's one fundamental rule. "Everything can be understood and explained", unfortunately, everything cannot be explained and understood because new things are created every single second through evolution and environmental/geographical changes. There isn't enough time to study, understand and explain everything. Therefore Science is just the belief that everything can be, Atheism is the belief that there are no Gods, Christianity is the belief that Jesus died for their sins, whilst thousands of people stood by and let him get killed.. Yeah God sure wants to forget your sins when you let a Saint die! The fact is, If Gods do infact exist. They are not what people say they are, they are infact Aliens. From another world, time, place, existence. Belief is a flawed concept that all Humans embrace from a very young age. It is not "Human nature" it is taught to you by moronic parents, religious fanatics, schools. To be truly open minded you have to reject all of your preconceptions and embrace everything that there is to "know". After embracing everything around you, you have to then purge yourself of all the useless bullshit. Someone elses "opinion" for example, unless it uses correct logic and isn't based on their emotional disposition. None of you that are going to reply to this post will understand what true open mindedness is, None of you will ever achieve it and I frankly don't care. You're doomed by your own self righteous upbringing that you'll never change. It is not impossible to change this, you're just raised this way and then are too confident that it is "you". The people that understand the Truth beyond Truth, wont bother replying to this, they'll simply nod and then continue to lurk and laugh at the inane religious debates. Religion is made by man, it is a belief system. God has nothing to do with what Man makes, or what man claim. How can we win, when fools can be Kings.(8)~
Pat

Granby, CT

#151035 Jan 30, 2013
ThePlayfulDragon wrote:
<quoted text>
"The absence of Evidence is not evidence of absence" "science" has already proven that alternative dimensions exist. Is it entirely un plausible that another group of entities perhaps live in these other dimensions? Perhaps our dimensions sometimes phase together very briefly and we see the remnants of another time and reality. We could see ourselves 10 years from now and then they could disappear in an instant. Paranormal things can be easily explained through science. Science is theory, I just gave you a theory, therefore it is Science. Don't believe in anything, always try to be open minded about everything. Belief is simply a tool used by those that can't think for themselves. Atheism, Christianity, Catholicism, They all rely on belief. Even Science is a belief system because it relies on it's one fundamental rule. "Everything can be understood and explained", unfortunately, everything cannot be explained and understood because new things are created every single second through evolution and environmental/geographical changes. There isn't enough time to study, understand and explain everything. Therefore Science is just the belief that everything can be, Atheism is the belief that there are no Gods, Christianity is the belief that Jesus died for their sins, whilst thousands of people stood by and let him get killed.. Yeah God sure wants to forget your sins when you let a Saint die! The fact is, If Gods do infact exist. They are not what people say they are, they are infact Aliens. From another world, time, place, existence. Belief is a flawed concept that all Humans embrace from a very young age. It is not "Human nature" it is taught to you by moronic parents, religious fanatics, schools. To be truly open minded you have to reject all of your preconceptions and embrace everything that there is to "know". After embracing everything around you, you have to then purge yourself of all the useless bullshit. Someone elses "opinion" for example, unless it uses correct logic and isn't based on their emotional disposition. None of you that are going to reply to this post will understand what true open mindedness is, None of you will ever achieve it and I frankly don't care. You're doomed by your own self righteous upbringing that you'll never change. It is not impossible to change this, you're just raised this way and then are too confident that it is "you". The people that understand the Truth beyond Truth, wont bother replying to this, they'll simply nod and then continue to lurk and laugh at the inane religious debates. Religion is made by man, it is a belief system. God has nothing to do with what Man makes, or what man claim. How can we win, when fools can be Kings.(8)~
Not evidence of absence, just evidence that the god idea is at this point in time nothing more than a silly unsupported superstition clung to by death deniers.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#151036 Jan 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
...
The internal war here is between you and your straw men.
...
He doesn't even defeat the straw men most of the time.

I think "arockdidit" VS "goddidit" ends up in a draw.

<mtimber signs a no hostilities pact with straw men, meanwhile, the hay fighters move in attacking mtimber from their wagons>

Since: Jan 13

Petersburg, VA

#151037 Jan 30, 2013
Not to be rude, but the very question is ridiculous. It's like saying, "It takes a lot of faith to have no faith at all." It just doesn't make sense.

I would dare go so far as to say modern Atheism is the very antithesis of faith, requiring evidence before believing anything. This is where religion is left unarmed; there is no real evidence for any of them. Faith is required despite it's lack of reliability and substance.

I've heard it argued that faith itself is substance, that one's faith is evidence. This seems to me like nothing more than a way of perpetuating an idea, regardless of whether that idea is true.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#151038 Jan 30, 2013
The_Box wrote:
Religion is full of superstition: beliefs based on the supernatural or magic.
Christianity is based on historical records of Jesus Christ, not superstition.
I do mind my own business. Is participating in public forums an invasion of your, or anyone else's, privacy?
Frankly, in the instance of religion (or alternative medicine or psychic/medium conmen), it need to be confronted because it so often ends up in other people's business causing harm.
How do you know? I don't believe in psychics at all, but it makes some people feel good, feel positive. What's so bad about that?
It's simply the definition of superstition.
Wikipedia's definition
a belief in supernatural causality
Merriam-Webster's definition
1a : a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation
*a belief or practice resulting from trust in magic*
That doesn't describe religion?
Not Christianity, no.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#151039 Jan 30, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
The absence of evidence for anything supernatural is the evidence it's superstition you doink and your silly humanoid sky fairy will remain a superstition until the day evidence presents itself.
As long as you consider God to be a "silly humanoid sky fairy", you'll never understand Him.

Christians know that depiction is what atheists want to believe God is like.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#151040 Jan 30, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>God predates humanity...

You seem to assumed that is not the case.
They are entertaining.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#151041 Jan 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Nine I's, Eagle, and your post was much shorter than Givemeliberty's post.
I count 16 "I"'s

A "I'll" & several "me's"

Gotcha!

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#151042 Jan 30, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Because agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive terms so a person can be an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist for example.

You Christholes sure do need this explained again and again and again.
Atheist is a Religion.

Religion

Synonyms: credo, creed, cult, FAITH, persuasion

faith\ˈfāth\
noun

b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof

Atheism

Belief that there is no Deity or Deities.

Hence - Atheism = Religion

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#151043 Jan 30, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>The word is beliefs, ok half wit? Your desperate Anne Coulter failed logic doesn't make something true. Atheists have no reason to disprove something that is completely unproven to start.

Where has your belief in god gotten you? You have the grammar of a reject who would make an ESL student say wtf and you clearly sate you want to shoot non believers in the head executioner style.

This is the happiness you speak of? Whatever jut don't go opening fire inside an elementary school ok?
Atheist sure have a hard time keeping your believes straight.
Yet alone just the definition of the word atheist.

Merriam - Webster

athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity

"who believes". That's a positive assertion. Seeing as there is no proof of your belief It's FAITH.

Faith:
"Synonyms: devotion, piety, religion"

Ah yes Atheism is a Religion.

Have a nice day and don't forget to go to church.

Posted else where by derek4

From: The Columbus Dispatch:

February 4, 2011

Church, without God

“Stan Bradley likes Bible stories, admires Martin Luther and uses expressions such as 'heavens, no.'

The Lithopolis man is president of a local congregation and rarely misses a Sunday service. Occasionally, he goes to his wife's church instead.

For these and other reasons, Bradley considers himself religious.”

He is also an atheist.

continued:

“Like Bradley, some atheists participate in organized religion for its social and psychological benefits.”

continued:

“Churches are great places to find friends, support and youth education, so nonbelievers and believers alike join congregations to fill those needs, he said.

He has spoken to elderly and sick people who can no longer go to church and they say they most miss the feeling of community.

Recent research from Harvard University and the University of Wisconsin backs him up. It found that religious people tend to be happier than nonreligious people, not because of belief but because of the friendships found at church.”
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/faith...

“religious people tend to be happier than nonreligious people”[I have said this all along, and my posts are still on the board to confirm it. Now you hear it straight from the atheist, lol.]

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#151044 Jan 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I count 16 "I"'s
A "I'll" & several "me's"
Gotcha!
In Eagle's post? And I counted twice, just in case.

I included the I'll, but not the me's.

Only two in mine. Unless you count the mine.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#151045 Jan 30, 2013
American Dynasty: Fmr. Top Republican Strategist Discusses The Bush Familys Rise To Power Since WWI
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/1/12/america ...

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#151046 Jan 30, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>I know you made this up KJV because Wikipedia doesn't sound so dyslexic like you do. Again agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive terms.

As usual you lied.
"Wikipedia doesn't sound so dyslexic like you do"

Wikipedia

Agnosticism

"HideDefining agnosticism"

Thomas Henry Huxley said:

Agnosticism, in fact, is not a creed, but a method, the essence of which lies in the rigorous application of a single principle...Positively the principle may be expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters of the intellect do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable.[8]
Agnosticism often overlaps with other belief systems. Agnostic theists identify themselves both as agnostics and as followers of particular religions, viewing agnosticism as a framework for thinking about the nature of belief and their relation to revealed truths. Some nonreligious people, such as author Philip Pullman, identify as both agnostic and atheist.[9] In contrast, the philosopher William L. Rowe said that in the popular sense,

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an agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of a deity or deities, whereas a theist and an atheist believe and disbelieve, respectively,

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and that in the strict sense agnosticism is the view that human reason is incapable of rationally justifying the belief that deities do, or do not, exist."

Proved you wrong yet again. This is getting old you're not much of challenge. All mouth and no brains.
Your BORING!

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#151047 Jan 30, 2013
ThePlayfulDragon wrote:
<quoted text>
"The absence of Evidence is not evidence of absence" "science" has already proven that alternative dimensions exist.
Really? When, exactly did it do that? There has certainly been a lot of *speculation* about other dimensions, but (other than time being another dimension) no proof.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#151048 Jan 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Of course it is. It isn't *conclusive* evidence of absence. The more you actually *look* for evidence don't see any, the stronger the evidence of absence.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#151049 Jan 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
In Eagle's post? And I counted twice, just in case.
I included the I'll, but not the me's.
Only two in mine. Unless you count the mine.
No, in the other dudes post, the Liberty douche.
Imhotep

United States

#151050 Jan 30, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
You did not argue a reason for your own morality.
You have just argued you do not like biblical morality, which was irrelevant to the point.
So I will ask you the same question again:
What is your absolute standard of morality upon which you base this claim?
I point to the eternal pre-existing all knowing absolutely moral God.
What do you point to, as an atheist, to support your claim?
I make no claim. You declare your diety as fact without a shred of evidence. I think 'true believers' are mentally unstable, filled wih fear of their own mortality and willing to abandon reason for fantasy.

There is NOTHING moral in slaughtering infants.
Read your Bible... Unfit for even children to read.

Your fabricated diety is rife with all 'too human' faults. You should find this rather odd... For a God!

Preaching creation science as an alternative to evolution is like parroting the stork theory as an alternative to human reproduction.

Then there is the problem of EVIL.
Tough one that!

Any diety worth it's salt should be able to prevent this... except ALL gods that have been conjured up have utterly failed in this endeavor.

it also indicates that you have accepted as 'truth'
that this God of yours will punish people for the "sin" of disbelief(Mark 16:16, John 16:9, John 3:18, John 3:36, Heb 3:12, 1 John 2:22), it means that you worship this God who will provide infinite punishment for finite sins, and it requires that you accept this God with the behavior of a manipulative, power hungry, tyrant, with a fetish for foreskins.

You have abandoned your mind to save your soul.

BTW
What does a soul smell like? What color is it?
Is there one in a Petrie dish somewhere? If so you could have a point.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#151052 Jan 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No, in the other dudes post, the Liberty douche.
Do you work near the Mission Inn?

It would be a great place for a splurgy lunch once in a while.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#151053 Jan 30, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok.
Please excuse my dumbing down the argument with some of the posters here.
The morality that you use, cannot be accounted for with your professed worldview.
Now absolute morality, which we all appeal to instinctively, has to have a source.
God is that source.
I can admit that although I don't believe that to be true, it is possible that if there is a god... he could have given me this without my knowledge.
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet atheists, whilst appealing to absolute moral positions, deny that absolute morality exists.
The tension then is a strange one.
Indicating contradictory beliefs.
The outward denial of absolute morality.
With the internal appeal to absolute morality.
This tension, which all atheists exhibit, clearly reveals an enmity between the two issues.
That friction, that enmity reveals something deeper, the internal war in the atheist on the issue of accepting Gods claims on them, especially moral claims.
It is these inconsistencies that reveal the larger battle is in fact taking place.
Now, not many atheists have the courage to actual admit that tension, let alone try to account for it.
Why?
I understand in a sense. We could say that killing is wrong, period! That seems absolute. To myself that does seem absolute... pretty clear and solid. God has this in his top 10 list.

I see a few possible problems... Are we obeying god? Or is it like you mentioned, instinctive?

Is it really this simple? What about in a hostage situation? I would imagine that if we are obeying god, there is no question here. Try hard to negotiate then clean up all of the bodies.

I admit I have purposely tried to leave morality alone because of how sticky the subject is but I was bothered when you tried telling me what I believe and called me a liar..... Congrats you got me to join the morality conversation! Lol.
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Because they suppress that truth in unrighteousness.
How do I know that?
God, who is self attesting, and also the absolute standard of morality, has revealed it in the scripture.
The evidence for this however, is plain to see, when the atheists buttons are pressed on this issue...
All I can give you here is the possibility that although I do not believe in god, if he exists he could have given me moral instincts and either Satan or my limited intelligence has blocked the source.

I guarantee, however, that I am following a set of rules in a book i believe in.... and conveniently lie and pretend that i don't believe for the purpose of breaking those rules when i want to. This is as I mentioned before, nonsensical. If i believed... I would know that i would not be able to fool god.

I would hope you don't think we are all that stupid. ;-)

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#151054 Jan 30, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course it is. It isn't *conclusive* evidence of absence. The more you actually *look* for evidence don't see any, the stronger the evidence of absence.
True. If you were actually looking for evidence of God, you would've found it by now like the rest of us.

But since you're not looking, you'll never find it.

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