Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#150288 Jan 26, 2013
Clementia wrote:
Good! I'm in a fighting mood today, so don't get on the wrong side of me!!
I'll help you.

I know some moves.
Jox

United States

#150289 Jan 26, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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I gave up waiting for proof of your god a long time ago.
No you haven't. You know you are lying to yourself.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#150291 Jan 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>...Give it up, Einstein. You were produced by something beyond your comprehension. And a lot smarter than you.
Which, by you way of reasoning, must have been produced by something beyond its comprehension and a lot smarter that it ... which must have been produced by something beyond its comprehension and a lot smarter that it ... etc ... etc ... etc.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#150292 Jan 26, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
So a creating man from a lump of clay with a magical **poof** by some invisible sky deity must require a ton of proof.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#150293 Jan 26, 2013
scaritual wrote:
Lets hope that Ar Ar doesn't try to follow your example.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#150294 Jan 26, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You come here to troll but want to cry when treated as such? You have no moral ground to stand on. I have a friend who is a mod on topix/ chicago tribune we met while campaigning for Obama. I have advertised on topix before and will again.
Good luck with that troll :)
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I donít care about your world power and influence.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#150295 Jan 26, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
There is no way you have a high school level education. Just no effig way.
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Thank you,:)

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#150296 Jan 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Look again:
"before all ... had died"
"some standing here which shall not taste of death"
'Before all die' is the same as 'while some still live.'
Not, there even when you say it is.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#150297 Jan 26, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
He told the children at his feet that some of them would not die before the end came. Are you so retarded that you think there are some 2000 year old people walking around waiting for Jesus? You of course have no answer for this.
Lol! Hey what's the largest CHRISTIAN church again?:))
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Your septic tank is full of human excrement. Thatís why itís backing up.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#150299 Jan 26, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Not, there even when you say it is.
Whatever this means.

Will any other poster step up and translate Eagle's post for us?

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#150300 Jan 26, 2013
I think he was trying to be insulting, in his own low IQ way. I could be wrong though, after all when trying to decode word salad it is akin to walking the tightrope without a safety net.

Remember when he said an Arab walking into his Dad's hospital room converted him to Christianity? Lol! Who even knows where he was going with that lie!
Catcher1 wrote:
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Whatever this means.
Will any other poster step up and translate Eagle's post for us?

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#150301 Jan 26, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
~ Carl Sagan ~

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#150302 Jan 26, 2013
Keep quacking daffy at least you are good for a laugh.

I couldn't help but notice you failed to answer my question about Jesus' failed prophecy, must be a tremendous shame that your messiah failed so miserably and worse lied to children! Tisk! How low could he go?

So do tell daffy, you lied oops I mean claimed that your dad was an atheist but converted on his death bed when a Middle Eastern man went into his room yes? So who was this Arab anyways? I mean you do know hospitals just don't allow anyone to go into patients rooms especially deathly ill patients thy are understandably extra protective of. When my grandpa was dying I always had to sign in even though they knew me by name. So this Middle Eastern man had to have been on his approved contact list or had to be an approved member of the hospital staff. Now for concern of your father when he told this story didn't you enquire who this strange person was? Who was he? What did he do?
Eagle12 wrote:
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Your septic tank is full of human excrement. Thatís why itís backing up.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#150304 Jan 27, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
That's why I'm an atheist.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#150305 Jan 27, 2013
If you are hanging with me feel free to lose the bra. Let the girls breathe :)
Clementia wrote:
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That's where i see it too!
Some people think the world revolves around them! Yh, i'm talkin' about u, liberty guy!:-p

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#150306 Jan 27, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
We can test [your god's] claims that affect matter:

He promised to answer prayer.
He promised to move mountains for just a mustard seed of faith.
He promised every believer a peace that passeth all understanding
He promised them fruits of the spirit.
He promised to return soon - before the last of his audience died.

They all fail. Your god has kept none of those promises. We can't test the promises that don't affect matter, such as the promise of an afterlife in heaven or hell, but I'm sure that you can trust that one.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Which He does [answer prayer].
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[Move a mountain with faith] Figure of speech, bro.
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Intellectual dishonesty. It's "peace of God which passeth all understanding", which comes from trusting God.
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"The fruit of the Spirit" is the moral character developed by the power of the Spirit, which we have.
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His audience is not dead, there's about 2.2 billion if us right now.
You don't really expect any more from your god than I do, do you? I wonder how you would respond if you could to the disappointment of not getting heaven, either. Perhaps, "Figure of speech"?

You're obviously being lied to. You don't really care if you're right or wrong, do you, just as long as you're comforted.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#150307 Jan 27, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
ďThe [undetectable] and the non-existent look very much alikeĒ- Delos B. McKown
RiversideRedneck wrote:
McKown would've been a terrible DNA theoretician 150 years ago.....
DNA has always been detectable indirectly.

It's effects were well know - indirectly - in the phenotypes of living things, and exploited by horticulturists and animal breeders long before the details were worked out.

That awareness of the existence of something like DNA is why they began looking for it. When they found it, the only surprises were the structure and mechanism of genetic transmission, not the fact of heritability residing in some material substrate in the cell.

Contrast this with your god, heaven angels and the like, which you describe as living in another reality, and not detectible even in principle.

Where are the manifestations in our world analogous to the physical traits in living things that led us to the DNA? If prayer worked, it would be easy to demonstrate its efficacy. But it has been repeated shown that it doesn't.

That's what the quote meant. Claiming that something exists but has no effect on reality - undetectable even in principle - is saying that it isn't a part of our reality, which is functionally equivalent to not existing. Your god is indistinguishable from no god, or a dead god.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#150308 Jan 27, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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DNA has always been detectable indirectly.
It's effects were well know - indirectly - in the phenotypes of living things, and exploited by horticulturists and animal breeders long before the details were worked out.
That awareness of the existence of something like DNA is why they began looking for it. When they found it, the only surprises were the structure and mechanism of genetic transmission, not the fact of heritability residing in some material substrate in the cell.
Contrast this with your god, heaven angels and the like, which you describe as living in another reality, and not detectible even in principle.
Where are the manifestations in our world analogous to the physical traits in living things that led us to the DNA? If prayer worked, it would be easy to demonstrate its efficacy. But it has been repeated shown that it doesn't.
That's what the quote meant. Claiming that something exists but has no effect on reality - undetectable even in principle - is saying that it isn't a part of our reality, which is functionally equivalent to not existing. Your god is indistinguishable from no god, or a dead god.
I am glad you appreciate our DNA ~***The first is his very public embrace of religion. Dr. Collins, who was not raised with any religious training, wrote a book called "The Language of God," and he has given many talks and interviews in which he has described his conversion to Christianity as a 27-year-old medical school intern. "I came at this from a position of ignorance," he said. "I came at it from an intellectual point of view." Religion and genetic research have long had a fraught relationship, and some in the field are uneasy about what they see as Dr. Collins's evangelism.

The other objection stems from his leadership of the Human Genome Project, which is part of the N.I.H. Although Dr. Collins was widely praised in 2003 when the effort succeeded, the hopes that this discovery would yield an array of promising medical interventions have greatly dimmed, discouraging many.

While Dr. Collins cannot be blamed for the unexpected scientific hurdles facing genetic research, he played an important role in raising expectations impossibly high. In interviews, he had called the effort "the most important and the most significant project that humankind has ever mounted" and predicted it would quickly allow everyone to know the genetic risks for many diseases.

Some scientists and advocates for people suffering from diseases criticized the extraordinary amount of money and attention the sequencing effort garnered, saying it distracted from more fruitful areas of research.

Dr. Collins's confirmation by the Senate is all but certain. He has long cultivated good relations on Capitol Hill. And since the administration finalized rules for broader use of stem cells in federal research before nominating him, anti-abortion forces will have a harder time using that issue to stop his confirmation.

http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/ti... ***

It is indeed exciting, is it not?

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#150309 Jan 27, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You don't really expect any more from your god than I do, do you? I wonder how you would respond if you could to the disappointment of not getting heaven, either. Perhaps, "Figure of speech"?
You're obviously being lied to. You don't really care if you're right or wrong, do you, just as long as you're comforted.
You have obviously not had any messages from your Ancestors from the other side. If you had, you would not have written some of the stuff you have written. For this reason, I pity you..... even though you will never understand why :(

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#150310 Jan 27, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>You have obviously not had any messages from your Ancestors from the other side. If you had, you would not have written some of the stuff you have written. For this reason, I pity you..... even though you will never understand why :(
Its called hearing voices and its a symptom of mental illness (like creationism). We' not crazy thank you very much.

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