Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, my friend.
I got to thinking about this a bit more. Of *course* absence of evidence is evidence of absence. It may not be *conclusive* evidence of absence, but it certainly is evidence. Furthermore, why is it not conclusive? Because you may not have looked in the correct places, or with the correct means, etc. But if you have looked extensively, and by a variety of means, then the prolonged absence of evidence *is* evidence of absence that increases in quality for each new way of looking and number of times looked.

As an example, there is a law of physics: the law of conservation of mass/energy. The absence of evidence that this law is violated after many and repeated attempts (perpetual motion machines, for example) is, in fact, evidence of absence. Given the number of ways we have looked and the strictness of the law (hence the high degree of testability), the prolonged absence of evidence of violations is very, very good evidence for that law.

So the question then becomes at what point does absence of evidence become strong evidence of absence? Well, we have to have searched in many different way and over a long period of time. We have to have searched in ways that, if the existence was true, we would have found evidence.

So, lets do this: what precise search method that is public and independently verifiable will lead to the detection of a deity? This method should give a different answer if there is no deity than if there is one (or many) and should be such than even an unbeliever will be able to observe the evidence as unambiguous evidence of existence.

If no such method exists, then the default position is the non-existence, just like it would be for Bigfoot, a supersymmetric particle, or an elephant in my room.

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Jan 26, 2013
 
And god is nothing more than a figment of the imagination.
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There’s truth in what you are saying. Many faiths that include idol worship is indeed man made. Throughout history mankind has reached out to a higher order but often created their own God and religion.
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I like cheese.
Cheeses saves!

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Jan 26, 2013
 
Lol! Sheer awesomeness! Thanks so much!:)
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Jan 26, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
Oh I certainly agree there are socks posting. But you think none of them are Christians that they are all Poes?
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With at least 70% of America being believers, that would be an ignorant assumption. There maybe some computers are the devil christian cults, but i think they are smaller than the
christian got a sock on topix cult.
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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Your room can be measured & observed in many ways. So can the elephant.
If you can determine a way to measure God, then you can determine if He's there or not.
Until that happens, none of you can honestly say that God is in our minds & only in our minds.
You can only believe that.
But the default position *would* be that it is only in your minds. Furthermore, it is *your* burden of proof as a believer to provide the evidence and the method of measurement. The very fact that you claim God cannot be measured in any way *is* evidence of absence also.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
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My good man I have no proof for you but I have plenty for myself.
God can’t be proven but he can be experienced.
Drunk on cheeses are you?
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Jan 26, 2013
 
He is Coming Soon wrote:
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Have a nice forever!
Your id is the name of a porn flick, how appropriate. Two different flavors of smut using the same name! Praze be to cheeses!

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Jan 26, 2013
 
Apologetic nonsense. Saying that the stoner who wrote revelation was a child at Jesus' feet is pure wild speculation and shaping the myth to make it fit. And Jesus didn't say some of you will not taste death before having a vision of this he said these things WILL happen.

Do read the bible sometime ok retard? You will at least sound halfway intelligent. Unlike your made up story of your dad converting because an Arab went into his hospital room.
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You’re making progress because now you are acknowledging that “some” would not taste death. Your previous statement was “all.”
That “some” was John the Revelator. John had a vision of the future. I realize that you will never acknowledge that John was who Jesus was talking about because this fact is contrary to your ideology. John saw visions of the end times and this is what Jesus was referring too when he said,“some.”
I have made known the opposing view and thank you again.

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Jan 26, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Then you also have those that believe this material existence we are experiencing just popped out of nowhere. No ultimate cause, just a cloud of smoke that condensed and "poof!", here were are.
Still waiting for the proof such can be done on the physical level, and not in the imagination using numbers.
So am I.

I gave up waiting for proof of your god a long time ago.

We're pretty close to unraveling the Big Bang.

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What would the lie be?
Point it out.
A church called "Chapel of Blather".

Obvious photoshopped lie.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
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There is no indication it's anywhere else, so why would we think it was. Besides someone saying it is, which is the same as saying there is a IPU in your bedroom.
Nice deflection.

Lets not talk about God, lets do the IPU....

Wanna get back to my comment or continue ignoring it?
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Eagle12 wrote:
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You’re making progress because now you are acknowledging that “some” would not taste death. Your previous statement was “all.”
That “some” was John the Revelator. John had a vision of the future. I realize that you will never acknowledge that John was who Jesus was talking about because this fact is contrary to your ideology. John saw visions of the end times and this is what Jesus was referring too when he said,“some.”
I have made known the opposing view and thank you again.
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You’re making progress because now you are acknowledging that “some” would not taste death. Your previous statement was “all.”
That “some” was John the Revelator. John had a vision of the future. I realize that you will never acknowledge that John was who Jesus was talking about because this fact is contrary to your ideology. John saw visions of the end times and this is what Jesus was referring too when he said,“some.”
I have made known the opposing view and thank you again.
YW!

Your views are noted and... Remain devoid of rational thought. Read the book.(Bible)

It means you accept as truth that this "God" will punish people for the "sin" of disbelief(Mark 16:16, John 16:9, John 3:18, John 3:36, Heb 3:12, 1 John 2:22), it requires that you worship a God who will provide infinite punishment for finite sins, and it requires that you accept a God with the behavior of a rather manipulative, power hungry, petty tyrant.

It means you must abandon your mind to save your soul.

It's your need to believe, and to surrender your scepticism and your reason, your yearning to discard that and put all your trust or faith in someone or something, that is a sad thing to me.

Of all the alleged virtues, faith is the most overrated.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Nice deflection.
Lets not talk about God, lets do the IPU....
Wanna get back to my comment or continue ignoring it?
Are you ignoring the IPU?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Nice deflection.
Lets not talk about God, lets do the IPU....
Wanna get back to my comment or continue ignoring it?
OK, let's do the IPU. How would you establish the non-existence of the IPU?

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polymath257 wrote:
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I got to thinking about this a bit more. Of *course* absence of evidence is evidence of absence. It may not be *conclusive* evidence of absence, but it certainly is evidence. Furthermore, why is it not conclusive? Because you may not have looked in the correct places, or with the correct means, etc. But if you have looked extensively, and by a variety of means, then the prolonged absence of evidence *is* evidence of absence that increases in quality for each new way of looking and number of times looked.
As an example, there is a law of physics: the law of conservation of mass/energy. The absence of evidence that this law is violated after many and repeated attempts (perpetual motion machines, for example) is, in fact, evidence of absence. Given the number of ways we have looked and the strictness of the law (hence the high degree of testability), the prolonged absence of evidence of violations is very, very good evidence for that law.
So the question then becomes at what point does absence of evidence become strong evidence of absence? Well, we have to have searched in many different way and over a long period of time. We have to have searched in ways that, if the existence was true, we would have found evidence.
So, lets do this: what precise search method that is public and independently verifiable will lead to the detection of a deity? This method should give a different answer if there is no deity than if there is one (or many) and should be such than even an unbeliever will be able to observe the evidence as unambiguous evidence of existence.
If no such method exists, then the default position is the non-existence, just like it would be for Bigfoot, a supersymmetric particle, or an elephant in my room.
But you're missing the point.

There are ways to locate Bigfoot. It has not been discovered even though many many people look for it. All you need is your eyes to see it & any camera to record it.

Same goes for an elephant in your room.

There are no means of analyzing God in the same sense. Your eyes do not see Him. Your ears do not hear Him. Your senses seem to betray you. All known forms of detection fail.

So does that mean God doesn't exist or you simply lacks the means to detect Him?

There have been billions of people around the world (including myself) that claims to have felt, heard or seen God in various different ways.

Until someone comes up with a way of actually detecting the supernatural or detecting God, an atheists opinion of no God is just that - an opinion, not fact.

“The eye has it...”

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A church called "Chapel of Blather".
Obvious photoshopped lie.
hahaahahaahhaa

You're so gullible and ignorant it boggles the mind at times.

It's a parody, humor. HoLy cRap can you be any more obtuse?

Wait, forget answering that question.

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polymath257 wrote:
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I got to thinking about this a bit more. Of *course* absence of evidence is evidence of absence. It may not be *conclusive* evidence of absence, but it certainly is evidence. Furthermore, why is it not conclusive? Because you may not have looked in the correct places, or with the correct means, etc. But if you have looked extensively, and by a variety of means, then the prolonged absence of evidence *is* evidence of absence that increases in quality for each new way of looking and number of times looked.
As an example, there is a law of physics: the law of conservation of mass/energy. The absence of evidence that this law is violated after many and repeated attempts (perpetual motion machines, for example) is, in fact, evidence of absence. Given the number of ways we have looked and the strictness of the law (hence the high degree of testability), the prolonged absence of evidence of violations is very, very good evidence for that law.
So the question then becomes at what point does absence of evidence become strong evidence of absence? Well, we have to have searched in many different way and over a long period of time. We have to have searched in ways that, if the existence was true, we would have found evidence.
So, lets do this: what precise search method that is public and independently verifiable will lead to the detection of a deity? This method should give a different answer if there is no deity than if there is one (or many) and should be such than even an unbeliever will be able to observe the evidence as unambiguous evidence of existence.
If no such method exists, then the default position is the non-existence, just like it would be for Bigfoot, a supersymmetric particle, or an elephant in my room.
There is no default position. You are just creating one for yourself.

How would a tuna search for an agave plant? Agave plants don't exist for a tuna. But an agave may see a tuna and knows it exists.

As far as deities go, you have human beings that say they can feel the presence of one, or more. Lots of humans, actually. So there is a link to somewhere beyond what you can physically sense. You just ain't found it.

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Jan 26, 2013
 
Lol! Sheer awesomeness! Thanks so much!:)

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Lol! Sheer awesomeness! Thanks so much!:)
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Thanks, I've used it a few times over the past year or so.

Ar Ar thinks it was meant to be real.

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Jan 26, 2013
 
Correction: In post http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... I inadvertently C&P'd some text that wasn't mine, "Lol! Sheer awesomeness! Thanks so much!:)" is not part of my writing.

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