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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#149821 Jan 24, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Irrelevant. Some things are certainly caused. But not everything is caused.
Name something that isn't caused.:-)

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#149822 Jan 24, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
I won't say I wasn't bothered by some wording and assumptions made... but you didn't give in to the anger being exchanged all over this forum. I can't say i am innocent of the same. Good job.
I think I will make a specification in future between atheists and militant fanatical religiously zealous atheists.:-)

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#149823 Jan 24, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
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I would argue that to be eternal doesn't require being "outside of time" as much as it requires time to simply not have a beginning. And I'm ok with that.
Although i am not rejecting the conclusion of god being eternal... i think the reasoning is flawed.
1. God doesn't have to prove he is outside of time to be eternal.
2. I would ask what prophecy has proven that. Also we have people like Nostradamus who made loose predictions of future events that people believe as well... but nobody would then say that he exists outside of time.
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I am not very highly educated on the big bang. I just know the basics. I just know that this "outside of time" concept is strange as time is a before and after measurement.
Again, every thought and every action have a before and after. Even the thought to create the universe would take time and would place him within the constructs of it.
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Being i am no longer a Christian... the bible isn't a reference i use any longer. I am not saying that if it does show to hold something undeniably amazing that i will reject it. Its just full of passages that can be stretched to mean enough different meanings to cause hundreds of different things to the different churches and hundreds of thousands of different things to different Christians who all think they are the ones who really understand it.
I want to add that the thing that made me initially read your posts is that you asked a lot of questions.....Well structured questions that had very little negativity laced within them. I won't say I wasn't bothered by some wording and assumptions made... but you didn't give in to the anger being exchanged all over this forum. I can't say i am innocent of the same. Good job.
There are quite a number of points here, but the one I would like to deal with is quality of prophecy.

Nostredamus was not known for the accuracy of his prophecies, the bible does not have the same very low standard.:-)

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#149824 Jan 24, 2013
Yes you often use circular arguments along with other logical fallacies and dodging questions.

But guess what Derek? It doesn't matter that you changed your screen name and stole from Eric Hovind, bashing science and cowardly dodging questions doesn't prove god no matter what your favorite site http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/ told you.

I understand why you are unable to answer our questions Derek, regardless of what screen name you use. These questions aren't covered in your bookmarked how to debate an atheist sites, hence why you rely on dodging so much.

By all means prove me right by dodging questions Derek. Sorry but changing your screen name doesn't change the stupid.:)

Just don't go hacking up infants that you pulled away from their pleading mothers as your god commanded his people to do before, ok?
mtimber wrote:
^^Totally circular...

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#149825 Jan 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
I am troubled by the quality of maturity, rationality, and intellect that has recently gathered on this forum. People such as mtimber and EmpAtheist, among others.
The quality is too high. It's unnatural for this forum.
Something must be happening.
Its called rationality I believe.:-)

lol :-)

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#149826 Jan 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
^^Totally circular...
Rather like that great Christian classic:

"The god of the bible is real because the bible says the god of the bible is real and the bible was written by god!"

Since: Mar 11

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#149827 Jan 24, 2013
Can you for once answer a question or is dodging hen all you are able to do?
mtimber wrote:
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It is not a matter of evidence.
It is a matter of your pre-suppositions precluding Gods existance.
And yes, you do have pre-suppositions.

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#149828 Jan 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Your god commanded rape, killing and putting the infant to the sword. Do you find this moral? Regardless of whoever's words you are deliberately obfuscating it meaningless. Your god your absolute authority for morality commanded his people to rape kill and even put infants to the sword. Is that moral yes or no?
Stop running like a coward, retard and answer.
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Again, as an atheist how do you come to appeal to such outraged moral absolute standards?

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#149829 Jan 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yawn special pleading logical fallacy. So again for what the 12th time is it?
Your god ordered his people to take slaves, rape children and put every infant to the sword, moral yes or no?
We're these good things to do in your opinion? Chopping up infants in front of their screaming and crying pleading mothers is cool with you?
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This is totally irrelevant to the point I made...

If you want to have an emotional tantrum in the thread, then go ahead, but it does not validate your point in any way...

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#149830 Jan 24, 2013
Adam wrote:
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I will answer, even if these christians are too cowardly to be honest. YES, this is highly immoral and objectionable.
The god of the OT is a monster. Any enlightened person can see this.
See Linc and mtimber not difficult!
As an atheist, how do you come to that absolute moral conclusion?

What is your ultimate standard of authority that you appeal to?

It seems you keep appealing to Christian standards of morality to prove atheism...

“Think&Care”

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#149831 Jan 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Name something that isn't caused.:-)
The decay of a muon.

“Think&Care”

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#149832 Jan 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
^^Totally circular...
Not at all circular.

P==>Q
P

Therefore Q.

Standard Moden Ponens.

Since: Mar 11

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#149833 Jan 24, 2013
Answer my question and I will answer yours. Enough dodging already answer or fail.
mtimber wrote:
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Again, as an atheist how do you come to appeal to such outraged moral absolute standards?

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#149834 Jan 24, 2013
And by rationality you mean dodging questions. Still waiting to see you give an actual answer.

And waiting....
And waiting....
And waiting.........

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz hmmm? Hmmm! Did you finally answer a question? Nope dodging them as usual I see.
mtimber wrote:
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Its called rationality I believe.:-)
lol :-)

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#149835 Jan 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Hmmm am I the only one who has noticed that a certain copy and paste troll who always flooded the thread with spam has vanished ever since the Hovind fan club president timber has arrived?
If you want to save yourself the time of reading his posts all you have to do is click.
http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/
This is where he stole it from, word for word.
Actually, he got that from Bahnsen and Van Till and others.

Who got it from the Bible.

I am bemused as to what crime you think is being made here?

It would be much easier for me, if you went and educated yourself on some of these issues, so that I did not have to keep trying to explain the obvious to you.

Please, go and watch Greg Bahnsen or Dr Jason Lyle, they are all pre-suppositional apologists, just like myself...

This argument is called:

Pre-suppositional apologetics if someone wants to go and check it out.

Christians on here, should understand it, you will soon realise that militant atheists do not have an argument against this.

But have to reduce their worldview to absurdity to escape the logical conclusion...

Since: Mar 11

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#149836 Jan 24, 2013
Wow this one is getting as bad as Muq is when it comes to avoiding questions! Hahaha! Questions and reason truly are the believers greatest fear.

You have shown repeatedly that you are unable to answer any questions hence you are ill prepared to attempt to debate. Childishly dodging questions shows you are not up to the task. You have failed as expected. Saying god exists because I said so and running like hell from questions just doesn't cut it and bottom line that's all you have.

I humbly accept your unequivocal defeat and surrender. I am not bragging it was all too easy.

That'll do Christhole, that'll do. Now I suspect you have some logical fallacies to post and questions to hide from :)

Checkmate.
mtimber wrote:
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This is totally irrelevant to the point I made...
If you want to have an emotional tantrum in the thread, then go ahead, but it does not validate your point in any way...

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#149837 Jan 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
I am troubled by the quality of maturity, rationality, and intellect that has recently gathered on this forum. People such as mtimber and EmpAtheist, among others.

The quality is too high. It's unnatural for this forum.

Something must be happening.
You were gone.

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#149838 Jan 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yes you often use circular arguments along with other logical fallacies and dodging questions.
But guess what Derek? It doesn't matter that you changed your screen name and stole from Eric Hovind, bashing science and cowardly dodging questions doesn't prove god no matter what your favorite site http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/ told you.
I understand why you are unable to answer our questions Derek, regardless of what screen name you use. These questions aren't covered in your bookmarked how to debate an atheist sites, hence why you rely on dodging so much.
By all means prove me right by dodging questions Derek. Sorry but changing your screen name doesn't change the stupid.:)
Just don't go hacking up infants that you pulled away from their pleading mothers as your god commanded his people to do before, ok?
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My name is Mark by the way, but if you have some deep inner need to call me Derek, than knock yourself out...

:-)

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#149839 Jan 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Can you for once answer a question or is dodging hen all you are able to do?
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I am sorry, I though you have only been stating your own arbitrary position and judgments.

I must have missed the rational questions you would like me to answer?

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#149840 Jan 24, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Not at all circular.
P==>Q
P
Therefore Q.
Standard Moden Ponens.
You are right, but your first premise was faulty...

Which should have been my point.

I stand corrected.

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