Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#149466 Jan 23, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>The U.S. has never used torture.

I wish we did.
Your naiveté is just too cute for words.

I think I'll start calling you Binky.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#149467 Jan 23, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong and wrong.

Something that is all-powerful is not necessarily in control of everything. Something all-powerful has the power to decline control of anything or everything.

Free will and foreknowledge are compatible. Your mistake is the fallacy of misplaced causation.

You pretend to be fluent in philosophy, but you do it poorly.
At least he does it honestly.

You should try it sometime, binky.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#149468 Jan 23, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>How do you like this, Silk Panty Boy?

In his inaugural speech, B. Hussein Obama characterized the struggle for freedom as moving from slavery with Lincoln, civil rights through Dr. King, to now the rights of gays to marry.

In 2008 he ran for president saying that "marriage is between one man and one woman", and opposed gay marriage.

But now portrays himself as a champion of that continual struggle for freedom, as if he's a link in the chain from Lincoln to King to now.

Does hypocrisy bother you? Did Dr. King oppose civil rights for blacks 4 years before the march in Selma Alabama?

No, Dr. King was an actual champion. Obama is an empty suit that happened to be black and articulate. The Chicago boy-hacks poured the rest into the empty vessel. The country bought it, and now we have it.

The first post-American president.
You confuse hypocrisy with growth, binky.

You should try it sometime.

Grow up, binky boy.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#149469 Jan 23, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Read it again.

He said something all-powerful, "by definition", is in control of everything.

Your view of free-will and foreknowledge is simply wrong. It is the choice that determines the foreknowledge, not vice-versa. Time would not be linear to an all-knowing entity. If the choice were different, the foreknowledge would be different.
Got taps on those dancing shoes, binky?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#149470 Jan 23, 2013
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly. The Iain Banks thought experiment is only there to answer the "But what if a bomb was about to go off and you could stop it by torturing somebody." question. I'd do it but take the consequences because torture is always a crime.
Drugs work better.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#149471 Jan 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>I think the word you're looking for is "winning"...
He would be if you were.

But you're not.

Except in your own mind.

What little of it there is.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#149472 Jan 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>I believe (not "know", "believe") that the flood story is an allegorical narrative representing the power of God and the potential wrath of God. I believe it was used as a primitive means to get people to listen, understand & fear God.

That is my opinion.
Control through fear.

That is what religion is all about.

Sucker.
uidiotracemakeWo rldpeace

United States

#149473 Jan 23, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Control through fear.
That is what religion is all about.
Sucker.
US military as Xtain fundies is base religion!

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#149475 Jan 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
That humanism is an offshoot of Christianity.
You wouldn't have it without Christianity, or a belief in a higher authority. Now you want to kill Christianity and higher authorities....
Would you happen to have any proof of you assertion, or are you just making stuff up?

Buddhism is an atheistic worldview which basically follows these same tenets, yet it cannot be said to be based on Christianity by any stretch of the imagination.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
...higher authority concept is what keeps men kind of honest. Makes them less prone to discard what they consider less productive or capable. You should thank God religion exists.
So you are saying that without your belief in a god you would be a raving sociopath? Then by all means, please keep your religion.

I and a number of others do not need a belief in a Santa Claus figure to by "good for goodness sake".
Lincoln

United States

#149476 Jan 23, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Of course a retard like you doesn't know what retard means. It means slow or to impede which is exactly what belief in god does to you.
For example remember how big of a retard you made out of yourself first saying your dad was this miserable brutal atheist who forced his atheism down your throat then later saying he was this wonderful sweet man who everyone adored. And not to mention your strange story about an Arab walked into his room and thy made him a Christian for some reason.
You're just too damn retarded daffy :)
<quoted text>
Of course a retard like you doesn't know what retard means.

remember how big of a retard you made out of yourself first

Atheism seems to come down to name calling?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#149477 Jan 23, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course a retard like you ... Atheism seems to come down to name calling?
You broke my irony meter.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#149478 Jan 23, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>
Would you happen to have any proof of you assertion, or are you just making stuff up?
Buddhism is an atheistic worldview which basically follows these same tenets, yet it cannot be said to be based on Christianity by any stretch of the imagination.
<quoted text>
So you are saying that without your belief in a god you would be a raving sociopath? Then by all means, please keep your religion.
I and a number of others do not need a belief in a Santa Claus figure to by "good for goodness sake".
What I said was belief in a higher authority is a limit on absolute power corrupting absolutely.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#149479 Jan 23, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course a retard like you doesn't know what retard means.
Linc, what happened to turn the other cheek ;)

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#149480 Jan 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Real entities. But no definite positions or other properties. Instead probabilistic.
:-)
Sounds like the atheist reason for denying a deity. Something intangible that you can't possibly prove in this physical world.
What a hoot.
The difference is, of course, that this is part of one of the best predictive theories we have ever had. So, yes, you *can* prove this in the real world via observation and testing.
Lincoln

United States

#149481 Jan 23, 2013
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>
Linc, what happened to turn the other cheek ;)
quoting the poster...

Turning the other cheek is Christian ?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#149482 Jan 23, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
quoting the poster...
Turning the other cheek is Christian ?
Supposed to be, I thought.

GoMatt and GoLuke both mention it.
Pat

Granby, CT

#149483 Jan 23, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hypocrisy does bother me, yes, and I agree with you, MLK was the real deal.
MLK was right, we should all be judged by our individual merits, not by our skin color and I am sure he would be ashamed of racist affirmative laws that judge people by race for it is this very behavior that he fought to abolish from our system. I believe he was the real deal in that sense, he felt that not only was racial discrimination against blacks was wrong but that racial discrimination itself was wrong. Aside from that, he was a god hustler selling false hope like any other god hustler does. He was also a plagiarizer and adulterer as well. His arguments for civil rights were valid but as an individual he was morally challenged.
Turkey

Oswego, NY

#149484 Jan 23, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
The U.S. has never used torture.
I wish we did.
As poster of the year would you tell me which atheists you would enjoy beating?
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#149485 Jan 23, 2013
There's a priest in it- occupying his Wall Street.
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>
Linc, what happened to turn the other cheek ;)

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#149486 Jan 23, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
The difference is, of course, that this is part of one of the best predictive theories we have ever had. So, yes, you *can* prove this in the real world via observation and testing.
Under carefully contrived and controlled experiments?

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