Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#149276 Jan 21, 2013
Wrathbone wrote:
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Mindon - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindon
These non-physical spirit particles form what is commonly thought of as the mind around which the structure of the brain is formulated. They permeate the brain.
Science's ideas about what is possible and not possible creates barriers to its own understanding. Because of its exclusive focus in physical reality, it can only examine an atom, or a cell, or anything from that limited perspective. When you can understand that you are spirit made flesh, then, you can understand how you are free of space and time.
Your body is a pattern. While the material that composes it changes constantly, the pattern (spirit) maintains its own integrity. The form is etched in space and time and yet the pattern itself exists outside of that framework. The body is a projection of spirit into the three dimensional field.
Does that require a Heisenberg compensator or a continuum transfunctioner?

Since: Mar 10

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#149277 Jan 21, 2013
"The new atheism is going the way of the freak show."

"The USA is rapidly becoming a culture of customization. People want to write their own marriage vows and have tailor-made funerals. They gravitate toward religious options that are more personal and less institutional. In this respect, the "unaffiliated" and the "non-denominational" Protestant are cut from the same cloth. In fact, many Americans refuse to affiliate with any religious organization not because they do not believe in God but because they believe in God so fervently that they cannot imagine any human institution capturing the mysteries of the divine."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/printedition/n...

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#149278 Jan 21, 2013
digitaldan wrote:
"The new atheism is going the way of the freak show."
"The USA is rapidly becoming a culture of customization. People want to write their own marriage vows and have tailor-made funerals. They gravitate toward religious options that are more personal and less institutional. In this respect, the "unaffiliated" and the "non-denominational" Protestant are cut from the same cloth. In fact, many Americans refuse to affiliate with any religious organization not because they do not believe in God but because they believe in God so fervently that they cannot imagine any human institution capturing the mysteries of the divine."
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/printedition/n...
Good luck with that, dude.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#149279 Jan 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I think Polymath believes in virtual particles, Virtual particles woul dhave to come from another dimension beyond this physical one.

The way it is explained to me is like the pixels on your monitor.

To continually produce different images it doesn't require more pixels , but borrows the pixels from the whole.
That way for a pixel to appear here, one goes dark over there.
Except for the universe has infinitely more pixels than your monitor. It's not violating conservation, its shifting particles around through the higgs field and virtual particles. They are not in another universe, they just exist in imperceptibly short bursts spread out over a imperceptibly large area.

Since: Mar 10

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#149280 Jan 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Wishy washy existentialist garbage. You cannot provide any evidence for any of your assertions, until then, they are all myths.
It matters little what you and your ilk think, or what science "thinks" it knows. We are all spirit made flesh and your opinions will not change that truth one iota.

Since: Mar 10

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#149281 Jan 21, 2013
digitaldan wrote:
"The new atheism is going the way of the freak show."
"The USA is rapidly becoming a culture of customization. People want to write their own marriage vows and have tailor-made funerals. They gravitate toward religious options that are more personal and less institutional. In this respect, the "unaffiliated" and the "non-denominational" Protestant are cut from the same cloth. In fact, many Americans refuse to affiliate with any religious organization not because they do not believe in God but because they believe in God so fervently that they cannot imagine any human institution capturing the mysteries of the divine."
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/printedition/n...
There is a new vision shimmering on the horizon. Growing numbers of people can see little sense in Christianity's or science's version of the nature of man and his place in the universe. Intuitively they know we need a democracy of spirit, an end to hierarchies whether religious or secular. The idea of Divinity expressing itself equally through each citizen fits in quite well with our nation of do-it-yourselfers. In fact, the divine quality in mankind would provide the self-reliance and trust that would truly enable a people to govern themselves. Such a people would never give war a divine sanction, but would consider it a deplorable example of man's own distorted beliefs about himself and the world. And such a people would no longer couple the idea of individualism with Darwinian survival of the fittest doctrines that foster competition rather than cooperation.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#149282 Jan 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Whereas you suffer with arseteroids.
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Nah, I am actually pretty good at that game.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#149283 Jan 21, 2013
Wrathbone wrote:
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It matters little what you and your ilk think, or what science "thinks" it knows. We are all spirit made flesh and your opinions will not change that truth one iota.
You are stating nothing but opinion, and lacking any evidence to support your opinion makes it a delusion. Science is the only reason you are even alive.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#149284 Jan 21, 2013
Woo.
Wrathbone wrote:
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There is a new vision shimmering on the horizon. Growing numbers of people can see little sense in Christianity's or science's version of the nature of man and his place in the universe. Intuitively they know we need a democracy of spirit, an end to hierarchies whether religious or secular. The idea of Divinity expressing itself equally through each citizen fits in quite well with our nation of do-it-yourselfers. In fact, the divine quality in mankind would provide the self-reliance and trust that would truly enable a people to govern themselves. Such a people would never give war a divine sanction, but would consider it a deplorable example of man's own distorted beliefs about himself and the world. And such a people would no longer couple the idea of individualism with Darwinian survival of the fittest doctrines that foster competition rather than cooperation.
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#149285 Jan 22, 2013
Wrathbone wrote:
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There is a new vision shimmering on the horizon. Growing numbers of people can see little sense in Christianity's or science's version of the nature of man and his place in the universe. Intuitively they know we need a democracy of spirit, an end to hierarchies whether religious or secular. The idea of Divinity expressing itself equally through each citizen fits in quite well with our nation of do-it-yourselfers. In fact, the divine quality in mankind would provide the self-reliance and trust that would truly enable a people to govern themselves. Such a people would never give war a divine sanction, but would consider it a deplorable example of man's own distorted beliefs about himself and the world. And such a people would no longer couple the idea of individualism with Darwinian survival of the fittest doctrines that foster competition rather than cooperation.
They tried this same crap in the sixties; doesn't work. Idealists are so goofy.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#149286 Jan 22, 2013
All you did daffy was show your blind hatred towards people who don't believe in your imaginary friend. Lance has held hands with cancer patients and said prayers for them. Atheists don't say prayers you moron.
Eagle12 wrote:
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From whence did he get his moral code? That cheating was perfectly fine as long as one doesnít get caught at it. What we see in Lance is the same thing we see in a lot of militant atheist and thatís narcissism.
The work he did for cancer patients is appreciated but that work was built on a faÁade of him being a honest winner.
Yes Lance did wrong and has come clean but only because he was caught and the evidence is overwhelming.
We have also seen religious leaders over the years that have been caught living a double life in scandals of every sort. This makes me a skeptic of many religious leaders on TV myself.
Lance can rebuild a new reputation by doing public speaking and giving his life to Christ. That of course is my own opinion. I think there could be a big future for him but not in sports.
Thank you for taking the time to respond. I was trying to generate a new discussion and please notice I didnít spew any hateful and degrading comments towards you.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#149287 Jan 22, 2013
Are you saying the bible god is not the creator of all?
Eagle12 wrote:
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You're so pleasent. I bet you have lots of friends.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#149288 Jan 22, 2013
Well who said this was a debate? This is about you making a jackass out of yourself because you've been retarded by your retarded god and me pointing it out.

Junior you could in no way shape or form actually debate me. But do try, just for laughs. Why should anyone believe that god is anything more than an imaginary character?

Hurry up now.
mtimber wrote:
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Ad hominem and then prejudiced conjecture.
This debate is not going to to too well for you, if that is how you start your logical assertions...

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#149289 Jan 22, 2013
Wrong as usual. Humans are a social tribal animal. We long to be part of a tribe so to speak and thrive off of interaction. We can see even in the animal kingdom in social animals there that certain behaviors are not acceptable and will cause a violator to be outcast from the group if not killed by it.

Ravens for example take one mate for life as do several other species. The two mates care for each other and even the male raven cares for the eggs and hatchlings while the female goes hunting and such. If one raven dies the other will not select another mate something even in captivity they have problems with.

Should an outside raven target that female or hatchlings? They have been known to be attacked and even brutally killed by other ravens in the murder.

Why? Such behavior is not accepted by the flock and will be dealt with as such.

Is there a raven Jesus out there that died on the raven cross by crows for the sins of other ravens? Lol!

We see this on species after species. We are no different and unlike the bible days where rape and slavery were approved we have moved past the evil biblical morality. Well we secular humanists have anyways although I don't want to speak for your ilk.
mtimber wrote:
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Exactly.
Remove that absolute standard and rape is not wrong, it is just someones personal choice.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#149290 Jan 22, 2013
And the great thing is that I unlike god and the voices in your head actually exist!

I am glad you approve of my honesty and I will continue to remind you to take your meds. Listen to real people not the voices in your head.
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>He's my best friend on Topix :)
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#149291 Jan 22, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
unlike the bible days where rape and slavery were approved we have moved past the evil biblical morality. Well we secular humanists have anyways although I don't want to speak for your ilk.
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Amen to that. Or is that ramen?
Pat

Granby, CT

#149292 Jan 22, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I say it.
And I also say that morality, what's right and wrong, does not change. People may become inured to immorality and shut their eyes to it, but it remains immoral even if the bulk of the society allows it.
There is immorality, in my view, in the U.S. today, and most people unfortunately don't see it as immoral. Yet it is. The very idea of people being homeless and not having enough to eat is immoral.
Someday things may change.
"And I also say that morality, what's right and wrong, does not change."

That's your foolish ego doing your thinking. There is no such thing as universal right and wrong. Right and wrong only can be applied in terms of human wants and needs. If you were a cow, eating beef would be immoral and the killing of humans irrelevant.

"The very idea of people being homeless and not having enough to eat is immoral."

No it is not immoral. If their situation is their own doing because they chose to waste their money on drugs for example, how is it immoral? Is it moral to have children when you can't even afford to put a roof over your head? What is immoral is to have babies you can not afford to raise and then have the government tax you and take your hard earned dollars and give them to someone else for them to raise their offspring when you should have had that money to use to raise your own children with. Both the government is immoral for doing this as are the parents who live like parasites off of unrealted taxpayers and take this money.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#149293 Jan 22, 2013
Wrathbone wrote:
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Mindon - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindon
These non-physical spirit particles form what is commonly thought of as the mind around which the structure of the brain is formulated. They permeate the brain.
Show me one example. Show me how to detect them. Show me a general theory of them.
Science's ideas about what is possible and not possible creates barriers to its own understanding. Because of its exclusive focus in physical reality, it can only examine an atom, or a cell, or anything from that limited perspective.
Garbage. The only requirement to do science is that it be possible to make testable hypotheses that agree with observation. That's it.
When you can understand that you are spirit made flesh, then, you can understand how you are free of space and time.
When you show how to test the existence of a spirit and how to measure it, then we can start talking. Until then, this is simply your fantasy.
Your body is a pattern. While the material that composes it changes constantly, the pattern (spirit) maintains its own integrity. The form is etched in space and time and yet the pattern itself exists outside of that framework. The body is a projection of spirit into the three dimensional field.
Nice claims. Any evidence? Anything testable here? What, for example, would be something that could show you *wrong*, even in theory?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#149294 Jan 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> The uncertainty principle is strange the way it works with the higgs field , it doesn't violate the conservation of matter/ energy if it subtracts / adds from the whole. it can borrow from this side of the galaxy to add to the other.
Not really. Conservation of energy is a local, not just a global phenomenon. The Higg's particle 'produces mass' only in the sense that the symmetry breaking and the resulting interaction with the Higg's produces resistance to forces (i.e, mass). Also, the vast majority of ordinary matter gets its mass from a *different* symmetry breaking, not from the Higg's (which produces masses for the larger quarks and some other large particles).

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#149295 Jan 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
I think Polymath believes in virtual particles,
We have evidence of their effects, yes.
Virtual particles woul dhave to come from another dimension beyond this physical one.
Why would you think that? Virtual particles are simply off-shell counterparts for ordinary ones. They do not 'come from another dimension'. They are part of this physical reality.
Which gives credence to the idea of spirit creating matter.
Only to people who don't understand what a virtual particle actually is.
You are under belief matter is created from within, as evinced by your reference to the Higg's thingy creating particles. Which, BTW, violates the theory of the BB. ALL matter was created during the condensation and has just been shuffled around since then. As was the energy released.
No, the Higg's mechanism has nothing whatsoever to do with the Big Bang (which was not a condensation).
You are a bit mixed up. Make up your mind. Was the universe and its components made from within, or from without? Atomic nuclei is the starting point for an outward release of energy, or it is the focal point from force outside, like the center of a whirlpool.
Nonsense questions.

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