Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#149264 Jan 21, 2013
Clementia wrote:
Aww! OMG,OMG, I haven't even prepared a speech, OMG, can u give it to me when i'm less busy, so i can write a speech to thank people?
The ceremony won't be for a few days.

You can write the speech on the plane ride over here.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#149265 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Indeed it is stupid.
It gives those who have the greatest power the moral ascendancy.
Hitler was a prime example of the evil of that type of doctrine.
Survival has little to do with power. Those who survive simply adapt to the environment that they inhabit. Hitler wasn't one of the survivors.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#149266 Jan 21, 2013
Wrathbone wrote:
It is impossible, even in principle, to predict the behavior of any single atom; all physicists can do is predict the average properties of a large collection of atoms.
not quite true. Physics can predict exact properties of atoms in energy eigenstates. Physics can also predict the probability of quantities for other states.
Further, Quantum theory holds that a vacuum, like atoms, is subject to quantum uncertainties. This means that things can materialize out of the vacuum of space. While this phenomenon has never been observed directly, measurements of the electron's magnetic strength imply that it is real and happening even now. This is how the non-physical is made physical, or spirit is made flesh.
Well, THAT is a huge jump. A completely physical phenomenon shows how a non-physical phenomenon happens?
Moreover, many physicists now think it untenable to consider that each condition or event in the universe embodies the same kind of time.
Not quite sure what you are claiming here.
Physicists and parapsychologists have suggested various sorts of minute and undiscovered entities (mindons, psychons, psitrons, and so forth) that can move backward in time relative to our conscious conception of what time is, or that are at least free of our idea of time that flows inevitably forward.
LMAO mindons????
Serah

Australia

#149267 Jan 21, 2013
Clementia wrote:
@Serah....Take a chill pill, woman!! What Horse? Redneck was on a horse? I was telling u to get off your horse. And what is Tmail? Look, I haven't given liberty guy any page number or link, OK!
Look, liberty guy, stop calling Serah names. We are grown up, we don't have to use language like that at each other, understand?....that's a good boy!
Redneck called me a silly goose and a sissy la-la. Words like that are allowed, coz they cute, but not the really offensive ones!
Cheers...... Glad you and Redneck have it sorted out :)

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#149268 Jan 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Physicists and parapsychologists, do not belong in the same statement. Unless you intend a counter-intuitive meaning.
"all physicists can do is predict the average properties of a large collection of atoms"
Well you can ask poly if you like, but I'm pretty sure the periodic table of the elements completely refutes this idea.
Time can move in one direction, how we perceive this forward motion is different than how it may be for a particle itself.
"or spirit is made flesh" You once again delve into fantasy, I cant share it.
But Poly is much smarter than I perhaps he will or can anyway give you better description, He is less prone to math error anyway than I.
You have a very strange mix of science and religion. it's almost scary because you can make up anything like that.
How the non physical is made physical has severe limitation
and is at the sub atomic level. Atoms when exchanging particles
have real world consequences, we call that chemistry , or reaction
and decay, these effects are observable and well defined.
This doesn't correspond with virtual particles and the uncertainty principle, which is at interactions smaller than atoms.
Virtual particles AKA the formation of new particles , we have just begun to understand, but know the Higg's field and its bosons and assorted other particles are the reason. I'm not really sure what you are getting at here? Can you formulate a cohesive narrative to what you are saying?
Because nothing including tachyons are faster than light.
"A tachyon (pron.:/&#712;tŠki.&#5 94;n/) or tachyonic particle is a hypothetical hypothetical hypothetical hypothetical hypothetical particle that always moves faster than light. The word comes from the Greek: &#964;&#945;&#967; &#973;&#962; or tachys, meaning "swift, quick, fast, rapid", and was coined by Gerald Feinberg in a 1967 paper.[1] Feinberg proposed that tachyonic particles could be quanta of a quantum field with negative squared mass. It was soon realized that excitations of such imaginary mass fields do not in fact propagate faster than light,[2] and instead represent an instability known as tachyon condensation.[3] Nevertheless, they are still commonly referred to as "tachyons",[4] and such fields have come to play an important role in modern physics."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon
"You have a very strange mix of science and religion. it's almost scary because you can make up anything like that.

How the non physical is made physical has severe limitation
and is at the sub atomic level. Atoms when exchanging particles
have real world consequences, we call that chemistry , or reaction
and decay, these effects are observable and well defined.
This doesn't correspond with virtual particles and the uncertainty principle, which is at interactions smaller than atoms.

Virtual particles AKA the formation of new particles , we have just begun to understand, but know the Higg's field and its bosons and assorted other particles are the reason. I'm not really sure what you are getting at here? Can you formulate a cohesive narrative to what you are saying? "

Talking to yourself again?

I think Polymath believes in virtual particles, Virtual particles woul dhave to come from another dimension beyond this physical one. Which gives credence to the idea of spirit creating matter.

You are under belief matter is created from within, as evinced by your reference to the Higg's thingy creating particles. Which, BTW, violates the theory of the BB. ALL matter was created during the condensation and has just been shuffled around since then. As was the energy released.

You are a bit mixed up. Make up your mind. Was the universe and its components made from within, or from without? Atomic nuclei is the starting point for an outward release of energy, or it is the focal point from force outside, like the center of a whirlpool.
Serah

Australia

#149269 Jan 21, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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You're so pleasent. I bet you have lots of friends.
He's my best friend on Topix :)

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#149270 Jan 21, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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In india, punjab. I told u, i came here when i was like 2yrs.
So, the morality that your family abides by is the morality that you learned in India or England? Was it learned from your religion or your town?

What makes you believe that your morality is superior to mine?

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#149271 Jan 21, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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first of all, Sikhism says the world is billions of years old!
Secondly, u didn't understand what i was trying to say! but never mind!
If you religion is not the same age as humans; what took your god so long to teach humans what he demands?

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#149272 Jan 21, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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not quite true. Physics can predict exact properties of atoms in energy eigenstates. Physics can also predict the probability of quantities for other states.
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Well, THAT is a huge jump. A completely physical phenomenon shows how a non-physical phenomenon happens?
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Not quite sure what you are claiming here.
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LMAO mindons????
Mindon - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindon

These non-physical spirit particles form what is commonly thought of as the mind around which the structure of the brain is formulated. They permeate the brain.

Science's ideas about what is possible and not possible creates barriers to its own understanding. Because of its exclusive focus in physical reality, it can only examine an atom, or a cell, or anything from that limited perspective. When you can understand that you are spirit made flesh, then, you can understand how you are free of space and time.

Your body is a pattern. While the material that composes it changes constantly, the pattern (spirit) maintains its own integrity. The form is etched in space and time and yet the pattern itself exists outside of that framework. The body is a projection of spirit into the three dimensional field.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#149273 Jan 21, 2013
Wrathbone wrote:
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Mindon - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindon
These non-physical spirit particles form what is commonly thought of as the mind around which the structure of the brain is formulated. They permeate the brain.
Science's ideas about what is possible and not possible creates barriers to its own understanding. Because of its exclusive focus in physical reality, it can only examine an atom, or a cell, or anything from that limited perspective. When you can understand that you are spirit made flesh, then, you can understand how you are free of space and time.
Your body is a pattern. While the material that composes it changes constantly, the pattern (spirit) maintains its own integrity. The form is etched in space and time and yet the pattern itself exists outside of that framework. The body is a projection of spirit into the three dimensional field.
What does the king of Burma have to do with this?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#149274 Jan 21, 2013
Wrathbone wrote:
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Mindon - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindon
These non-physical spirit particles form what is commonly thought of as the mind around which the structure of the brain is formulated. They permeate the brain.
Science's ideas about what is possible and not possible creates barriers to its own understanding. Because of its exclusive focus in physical reality, it can only examine an atom, or a cell, or anything from that limited perspective. When you can understand that you are spirit made flesh, then, you can understand how you are free of space and time.
Your body is a pattern. While the material that composes it changes constantly, the pattern (spirit) maintains its own integrity. The form is etched in space and time and yet the pattern itself exists outside of that framework. The body is a projection of spirit into the three dimensional field.
Wishy washy existentialist garbage. You cannot provide any evidence for any of your assertions, until then, they are all myths.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#149275 Jan 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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"You have a very strange mix of science and religion. it's almost scary because you can make up anything like that.
How the non physical is made physical has severe limitation
and is at the sub atomic level. Atoms when exchanging particles
have real world consequences, we call that chemistry , or reaction
and decay, these effects are observable and well defined.
This doesn't correspond with virtual particles and the uncertainty principle, which is at interactions smaller than atoms.
Virtual particles AKA the formation of new particles , we have just begun to understand, but know the Higg's field and its bosons and assorted other particles are the reason. I'm not really sure what you are getting at here? Can you formulate a cohesive narrative to what you are saying? "
Talking to yourself again?
I think Polymath believes in virtual particles, Virtual particles woul dhave to come from another dimension beyond this physical one. Which gives credence to the idea of spirit creating matter.
You are under belief matter is created from within, as evinced by your reference to the Higg's thingy creating particles. Which, BTW, violates the theory of the BB. ALL matter was created during the condensation and has just been shuffled around since then. As was the energy released.
You are a bit mixed up. Make up your mind. Was the universe and its components made from within, or from without? Atomic nuclei is the starting point for an outward release of energy, or it is the focal point from force outside, like the center of a whirlpool.
The uncertainty principle is strange the way it works with the higgs field , it doesn't violate the conservation of matter/ energy if it subtracts / adds from the whole. it can borrow from this side of the galaxy to add to the other.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#149276 Jan 21, 2013
Wrathbone wrote:
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Mindon - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindon
These non-physical spirit particles form what is commonly thought of as the mind around which the structure of the brain is formulated. They permeate the brain.
Science's ideas about what is possible and not possible creates barriers to its own understanding. Because of its exclusive focus in physical reality, it can only examine an atom, or a cell, or anything from that limited perspective. When you can understand that you are spirit made flesh, then, you can understand how you are free of space and time.
Your body is a pattern. While the material that composes it changes constantly, the pattern (spirit) maintains its own integrity. The form is etched in space and time and yet the pattern itself exists outside of that framework. The body is a projection of spirit into the three dimensional field.
Does that require a Heisenberg compensator or a continuum transfunctioner?

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#149277 Jan 21, 2013
"The new atheism is going the way of the freak show."

"The USA is rapidly becoming a culture of customization. People want to write their own marriage vows and have tailor-made funerals. They gravitate toward religious options that are more personal and less institutional. In this respect, the "unaffiliated" and the "non-denominational" Protestant are cut from the same cloth. In fact, many Americans refuse to affiliate with any religious organization not because they do not believe in God but because they believe in God so fervently that they cannot imagine any human institution capturing the mysteries of the divine."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/printedition/n...

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#149278 Jan 21, 2013
digitaldan wrote:
"The new atheism is going the way of the freak show."
"The USA is rapidly becoming a culture of customization. People want to write their own marriage vows and have tailor-made funerals. They gravitate toward religious options that are more personal and less institutional. In this respect, the "unaffiliated" and the "non-denominational" Protestant are cut from the same cloth. In fact, many Americans refuse to affiliate with any religious organization not because they do not believe in God but because they believe in God so fervently that they cannot imagine any human institution capturing the mysteries of the divine."
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/printedition/n...
Good luck with that, dude.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#149279 Jan 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I think Polymath believes in virtual particles, Virtual particles woul dhave to come from another dimension beyond this physical one.

The way it is explained to me is like the pixels on your monitor.

To continually produce different images it doesn't require more pixels , but borrows the pixels from the whole.
That way for a pixel to appear here, one goes dark over there.
Except for the universe has infinitely more pixels than your monitor. It's not violating conservation, its shifting particles around through the higgs field and virtual particles. They are not in another universe, they just exist in imperceptibly short bursts spread out over a imperceptibly large area.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#149280 Jan 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Wishy washy existentialist garbage. You cannot provide any evidence for any of your assertions, until then, they are all myths.
It matters little what you and your ilk think, or what science "thinks" it knows. We are all spirit made flesh and your opinions will not change that truth one iota.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#149281 Jan 21, 2013
digitaldan wrote:
"The new atheism is going the way of the freak show."
"The USA is rapidly becoming a culture of customization. People want to write their own marriage vows and have tailor-made funerals. They gravitate toward religious options that are more personal and less institutional. In this respect, the "unaffiliated" and the "non-denominational" Protestant are cut from the same cloth. In fact, many Americans refuse to affiliate with any religious organization not because they do not believe in God but because they believe in God so fervently that they cannot imagine any human institution capturing the mysteries of the divine."
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/printedition/n...
There is a new vision shimmering on the horizon. Growing numbers of people can see little sense in Christianity's or science's version of the nature of man and his place in the universe. Intuitively they know we need a democracy of spirit, an end to hierarchies whether religious or secular. The idea of Divinity expressing itself equally through each citizen fits in quite well with our nation of do-it-yourselfers. In fact, the divine quality in mankind would provide the self-reliance and trust that would truly enable a people to govern themselves. Such a people would never give war a divine sanction, but would consider it a deplorable example of man's own distorted beliefs about himself and the world. And such a people would no longer couple the idea of individualism with Darwinian survival of the fittest doctrines that foster competition rather than cooperation.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#149282 Jan 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Whereas you suffer with arseteroids.
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Nah, I am actually pretty good at that game.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#149283 Jan 21, 2013
Wrathbone wrote:
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It matters little what you and your ilk think, or what science "thinks" it knows. We are all spirit made flesh and your opinions will not change that truth one iota.
You are stating nothing but opinion, and lacking any evidence to support your opinion makes it a delusion. Science is the only reason you are even alive.

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