Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Adam wrote:
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What are you saying? Science is wrong, and religion right? Please explain. Cause if you are looking for absurdities try the so called holy books.
Science is fooled by its own assumptions. It likes to think it deals with predictable action. It perceives such a small amount of data, however, in such a limited area, that the great inner unpredictability of any molecule, atom or wave is not apparent. Science only perceives what is predicitable within our own particular physical system, and nothing more.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
Prove it.
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We are spirit made flesh.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
What examples of unpredictability do you have?
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Science only perceives what is predicitable within our own particular physical system, and nothing more.

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Wrathbone wrote:
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Science is fooled by its own assumptions. It likes to think it deals with predictable action. It perceives such a small amount of data, however, in such a limited area, that the great inner unpredictability of any molecule, atom or wave is not apparent. Science only perceives what is predicitable within our own particular physical system, and nothing more.

I take it by saying "our own particular physical system" you mean the physical reality. If you want to deal with alternate reality, or fantasy you can, but don't expect us to take you seriously.
There is nothing beyond the physical reality, but superstitious nonsense.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Voodoo priests say they can do some crazy stuff too.
But we all know that religious stuff is just superstition and myth.
That crazy stuff works when both practioner and patient believe that it will. Our environment is the physical picture of our thoughts, emotions and beliefs made visible.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
Define, in this context, "works".
Do amputee limbs regrow with voodoo?
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That crazy stuff works when both practioner and patient believe that it will.
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@Serah....Take a chill pill, woman!! What Horse? Redneck was on a horse? I was telling u to get off your horse. And what is Tmail? Look, I haven't given liberty guy any page number or link, OK!
Look, liberty guy, stop calling Serah names. We are grown up, we don't have to use language like that at each other, understand?....that's a good boy!
Redneck called me a silly goose and a sissy la-la. Words like that are allowed, coz they cute, but not the really offensive ones!

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
Define, in this context, "works".
Do amputee limbs regrow with voodoo?
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He has psychological evidence. lol

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So Lance did something bad.... He must be an atheist!:sigh: Get a clue retard! The closest he has ever come to that is saying he had a distrust of organized religion because of corruption. He has never claimed to be a non believer in god though and has even went in cancer hope tours with various church people and held hands wiping tears and sharing/ leading in prayer with cancer victims.
Get a grip retard! It's rather childish that you want to dun anyone who has done something bad an atheist.
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From whence did he get his moral code? That cheating was perfectly fine as long as one doesnít get caught at it. What we see in Lance is the same thing we see in a lot of militant atheist and thatís narcissism.

The work he did for cancer patients is appreciated but that work was built on a faÁade of him being a honest winner.
Yes Lance did wrong and has come clean but only because he was caught and the evidence is overwhelming.

We have also seen religious leaders over the years that have been caught living a double life in scandals of every sort. This makes me a skeptic of many religious leaders on TV myself.

Lance can rebuild a new reputation by doing public speaking and giving his life to Christ. That of course is my own opinion. I think there could be a big future for him but not in sports.

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I was trying to generate a new discussion and please notice I didnít spew any hateful and degrading comments towards you.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
According to the bible myth your retarded god is the creator of all and everything so he just have created satan and hell right?
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You're so pleasent. I bet you have lots of friends.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
Define, in this context, "works".
Do amputee limbs regrow with voodoo?
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Can a limb regrow with modern medication?

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mtimber wrote:
You have just justified rape here:
"Each person is only truly accountable to themselves"
Your thoughts?
Anyone can justify anything to themselves.

Rape isn't usually socially acceptable. We are social creatures. We identify certain things to be unethical, and stop unethical behavior when we can. We feel, as a society, justified in doing this. Individuals may, at any time, diverge from socially acceptable behavior. Their actions may prompt a response from others. This is the basis of civilization. We learn how to moderate behaviors in the social sphere to best maximize safety and happiness.

Explaining how things are is not a justification for how things are. Do you understand this?
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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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"Under God" goes back to Abraham Lincoln, nitwit.
I can't answer your last question because I don't have an imaginary god.
None of the existing drafts of the 1863 Gettysburg Address speech, contain the words "under god." STOP LYING.

Based on this following quote do you think Lincoln believed in god?

It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him.
-- Abraham Lincoln,

Based on that quote any person who asserts there is a god would be considered a lair since no person knows there is a god. He was not called Honest Abe for nothing. The under god is the Gettysburg Address was probably added later by dishonest christian historians. They are known for pulling crap like this.

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Can a limb regrow with modern medication?

Viagra heheheh

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You're so pleasent. I bet you have lots of friends.
Thanks, yes, I do.

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mtimber wrote:
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Have you even read the Bible?
Which is you favorite?

1. Stone your daughter to death for not being a virgin?
2. Murder an entire village for having just one non-believer?
3. Murdering everything living in a village, except for the virgin girls; those you can force into marriage to the men who murdered their families?
4. Burning a girl to death for not being a virgin?
5. The giving of young daughters to a mob to be gang raped?

I can find many more; but which one of these is your favorite?

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Thinking wrote:
What examples of unpredictability do you have?
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Predictability rests upon the basis of unpredictability. Atoms can move in more directions than one at once. Modern physics says atoms are processes, not things; that atoms and/ or their constituents can appear as either particles or waves depending on how they are observed, and that these qualities exist outside of our coarse world of space and time. Atoms are patterns of probabilities then. Science only perceives the probable motion of atoms it is interested in. The same applies to subjective experience. The attributes of spirit expressed through subjective experience also exists outside of our world of space and time.

The spirit, to be fully free, had to be endowed with unpredictability. This basic unpredictability follows through on all levels of life. In no way could you predict what would happen to that child in a photograph of yourself. In no way can you predict what will happen to you now because our beliefs and intents at any given moment influence what we choose from an unpredictable group of actions.

Only out of this unpredictability can an infinite number of orders, or ordered systems arise. Anything less than complete unpredictability will ultimately result in stagnation, or orders of existence that in the long run are self-defeating. Only from unpredictability can any system emerge that can be predictable within itself.
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Wrathbone wrote:
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Can a limb regrow with modern medication?
No and we don't waste our time making wishes to imaginary sky fairies thinking magic is real either.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
Have you retard? I doubt other than your preacher approved passages.
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Ad hominem and then prejudiced conjecture.

This debate is not going to to too well for you, if that is how you start your logical assertions...

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Anyone can justify anything to themselves.
Rape isn't usually socially acceptable. We are social creatures. We identify certain things to be unethical, and stop unethical behavior when we can. We feel, as a society, justified in doing this. Individuals may, at any time, diverge from socially acceptable behavior. Their actions may prompt a response from others. This is the basis of civilization. We learn how to moderate behaviors in the social sphere to best maximize safety and happiness.
Explaining how things are is not a justification for how things are. Do you understand this?
So what if society says rape is okay?

Plenty of warlike societies have practiced rape in history.

How do you deal with that?

If society is the arbitrater of morality?

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