Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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Accident requires intent, intent requires intelligence. So no. There was no accident. We are here in spite of the universe, which the universe itself isn't suited to life at all. No accident because there was no intelligent forces guiding anything.
You are denying so much here, that I do not even know where to start...

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Jan 21, 2013
 

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Tide with Beach wrote:
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So are you saying that you believe every claim that has ever been made that was argued against?
Every epistomology (view of the world) is founded on an Ultimate Standard.

That ultimate standard is always circular in nature.

So every ultimate standard has to be tested from without itself.

And only the one true ultimate standard will account for everything.

So with that in mind, it does not take much to identify worldviews that fail basic logic tests.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Huh? Where? Do you expect me to guess?
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I don't know of any absolute "good" or "evil". It's possible to attain consensus among all minds who make moral distinctions, but I would not call that a moral absolute, because it is subject to consensus, which could be lost at any time.
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Each person is only truly accountable to themselves, unless they volunteer accountability to other people, or systems (real or imaginary).
Moral authorities vary in type and influence. We have different types of moral authorities. Most of them are based on consensus, moderated by social mechanisms, and ruled by force. The authorities are far from equal.
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Yes. Have you read much about philosophy?
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It's a premise. Do you accept that premise?
I can try again to demonstrate how morality is subjective, but all I can do is rephrase it.
There is a much more interesting argument about comparing different moral systems, but if you think there is one moral system with absolute moral authority, arguing about it with you would be one sided.
You have just justified rape here:

"Each person is only truly accountable to themselves"

Your thoughts?

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When you study the core beliefs of secular humanism of moral relativity, the end justifies the means, and total lack of eternal justice. Then you begin to understand their definition of right and wrong, morals, and empathy. They are meaningless, because they believe in nothingness, based upon a dust to dust finite universe and life exists only because of instinctive behavior of avoidance of pain in a quest to survive. But ultimately, nothing really matters.
Talking to an atheist about right and wrong or evil vs. righteousness, you will find that they have no real comprehension or understanding, they only try to look for every direction and argument to make those traits meaningless.
But there is a reason for this.

The bible explains it.

They want to deny God.

And because only God accounts for absolutes, they are reduced to the absurd conclusion that they have to deny absolutes, even whilst they carry on using those absolutes, which they are denying.

So to be "right" in their rejection of God, they have to abandon logic, morality, uniformity and a sense of person.

And then they tell everyone else they are lacking in intelligence if they do not do the same...

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Secular morality is by far superior to biblical morality. It was secular morality that did away with slavery, incest and child molesting all of these were common place in biblical morality.
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Have you even read the Bible?

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#149132
Jan 21, 2013
 
We may be one nation, although even that can be disputed, as it has been in Colin Woodard's 2011 book "American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America".
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Just a heads up. North America is not a nation.
Woodard doesn't claim that North America is a nation. Read the title of his work again.

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But there is as yet no evidence that any of us are under a "god".
RiversideRedneck wrote:
America (the nation) is under God.
There is as yet no evidence to support that claim.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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Jan 21, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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But there is a reason for this.
The bible explains it.
They want to deny God.
And because only God accounts for absolutes, they are reduced to the absurd conclusion that they have to deny absolutes, even whilst they carry on using those absolutes, which they are denying.
So to be "right" in their rejection of God, they have to abandon logic, morality, uniformity and a sense of person.
And then they tell everyone else they are lacking in intelligence if they do not do the same...

I don't deny god, and if he shows up...he can have my place in line.

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I don't deny god, and if he shows up...he can have my place in line.
I do not quite understand the point you are making?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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Jan 21, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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I do not quite understand the point you are making?

As soon as god shows up IS the point. Until then there's nothing to deny.

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#149136
Jan 21, 2013
 
Hmmm link free made up data from a Christhole who worships a retarded god.

Dismissed and rightfully so.
digitaldan wrote:
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According to a Barna Group survey (2011), Atheism is the Tea Party of fringe cults, predominantly white, male and bigoted.

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#149137
Jan 21, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes, Clementine... That was the joke.
I can switch to dirty jokes if you like :)
Redneck, look u said it!

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#149138
Jan 21, 2013
 
Have you retard? I doubt other than your preacher approved passages.
mtimber wrote:
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Have you even read the Bible?

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#149139
Jan 21, 2013
 
You're a trailer trash reject under Jesus' thumb lol!

Pitiful sheep kneeling to a retarded zombie Christ!
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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And? We are one nation under God.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
Funny that digitaldan "forgot" to quote the next line:
"The eminent Kant scholar Lewis Beck used to say that anyone who could believe in God could believe in anything."
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One could say the same of science. Whosoever accepts science as the only begetter of truth will believe whatever science says.

Science contends that we exist as material beings in a material world. Religions and philosophy say we are much more than that. We are spirit made flesh. We are spiritual beings expressing as humans in physical reality.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Pat wrote:
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Some dishonest pandering politicians put god in the pledge and all it proves is their lack of moral sense and lack of appreciation for the separation of church and state which this country so clearly stands for. Is your imaginary god more believable for you now with god in the pledge? LOL
"Under God" goes back to Abraham Lincoln, nitwit.

I can't answer your last question because I don't have an imaginary god.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Wrathbone wrote:
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One could say the same of science. Whosoever accepts science as the only begetter of truth will believe whatever science says.
Science contends that we exist as material beings in a material world. Religions and philosophy say we are much more than that. We are spirit made flesh. We are spiritual beings expressing as humans in physical reality.
Voodoo priests say they can do some crazy stuff too.
But we all know that religious stuff is just superstition and myth.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Wrathbone wrote:
Whosoever accepts science as the only begetter of truth will believe whatever science says.
I don't see *anything* as a "begetter of truth" (at least not about the real world), including science. I see science as a tool useful for making the Universe more understandable and for making predictions of what we will observe in the future.

"Truth" exists in the realms of logic and math, but not in the real world.
Wrathbone wrote:
Science contends that we exist as material beings in a material world.
Which we appear to be, unless you've got evidence to the contrary.
Wrathbone wrote:
Religions and philosophy say we are much more than that.
Religion may say that, but philosophy, as a whole, does not say that.

But there is no evidence that we are "more than that" (let alone "much more than that").

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Drew Smith wrote:
We may be one nation, although even that can be disputed, as it has been in Colin Woodard's 2011 book "American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America".

Woodard doesn't claim that North America is a nation. Read the title of his work again.
I was commenting not on the book, but on your comment. You said "we may be one nation that can be disputed" & used a book about North America support your claim.

That's why I reminded you that North America isn't a nation.
There is as yet no evidence to support that claim.
Says you.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Adam wrote:
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What are you saying? Science is wrong, and religion right? Please explain. Cause if you are looking for absurdities try the so called holy books.
Science is fooled by its own assumptions. It likes to think it deals with predictable action. It perceives such a small amount of data, however, in such a limited area, that the great inner unpredictability of any molecule, atom or wave is not apparent. Science only perceives what is predicitable within our own particular physical system, and nothing more.
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#149147
Jan 21, 2013
 
Prove it.
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We are spirit made flesh.

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